'Illuminati' as 'deviant adepts'

[norton ash]

Gnostics can be totally happy with tortillas and beans and love their lovers like no other.

Illuminati want to live high above London, Hong Kong, or NYC and fuck supermodels.

No guess here as to who goes to bed happier.

[elpuma]

"It is worth noting that the first great UFO wave of the twentieth century occurred in the summer and fall of 1947 when Jean Doresse was in Cairo examining the Nag Hammadi Codices, at the very moment the first Dead Sea Scrolls were found. This was also the year that the CIA was founded, with the dual intention (according to UFO conspiracy buffs) to co-opt alien technology and cut a deal with the aliens, allowing them to experiment covertly on human subjects.... In fact, a CIA agent named Miles Copeland was dispatched to Damascus to examine and photograph some of the first scroll fragments to be unearthed."

[Jeff]

Also from Lash:

The Gnostic Theory of Alien Intrusion

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The Nag Hammadi material contains reports of visionary experiences of the initiates, including first-hand encounters with inorganic beings called Archons. Gnostic teaching explains that these entities arose in the early stage of formation of the solar system, before the Earth was formed. Archons inhabit the solar system, the extraterrestrial realm as such, but they can intrude on Earth. Interestingly, this Gnostic insight accords closely with the view of Jacques Vallee, who maintains that ET/cyborgs probably belong to the local planetary realm. Vallee also proposes that the ET/UFO enigma is a “spiritual control system,” a phenomenon that “behaves like a conditioning process.” (Messengers of Deception). This is exactly what Gnostics said about the Archons: they can affect our minds by subliminal conditioning techniques. Their main tactics are mental error (intellectual virus, or false ideology, especially religious doctrines) and simulation. Archons are predatory, unlike a wide range of non-human and other-dimensional beings also know to the Gnostics, beings who are benevolent or neutral toward humanity.


Physical descriptions of Archons occur in several Gnostic codices. Two types are clearly identified: a neonate or embryonic type, and a draconic or reptilian type. Obviously, these descriptions fit the Greys and Reptilians of contemporary reports to a T. Or I should say, to an ET.


Delving into the Gnostic materials, it is quite a shock to discover that ancient seers detected and investigated the problem of alien intrusion during the first century CE, and certainly well before. (The Mysteries date from many centuries before the Christian Era.) What is amazing about the Gnostic theory of the Archons is not only the cosmological background (explaining the origin of these entities and the reason for their enmeshment with humanity), but the specificity of information on the alien m.o., describing how they operate and what they want from us. For one thing, Gnostics taught that these entities envy us and feed on our fear. Above all, they attempt to keep us from claiming and evolving our “inner light,” the gift of divine intelligence within. While I would not claim that Gnostic teachings on the Archons, or what remains of such teachings, have all the answers to the ET/UFO enigma, one thing is clear: they present a coherent and comprehensive analysis of alien intrusion, as well as specific practices for resisting it. They are far more complete and sophisticated than any theory in discussion today.


In short, the ancient seers of the Mysteries in Europe and the Levant seem to have accomplished 2000 years ago what many of us have been attempting to do since 1947: figure out who the ETs are, where they originate, how they relate to us, and most important of all, how we ought to relate to them.

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[lunarose]

per jeff's post above:

'Vallee also proposes that the ET/UFO enigma is a “spiritual control system,” a phenomenon that “behaves like a conditioning process.” (Messengers of Deception). This is exactly what Gnostics said about the Archons: they can affect our minds by subliminal conditioning techniques. Their main tactics are mental error (intellectual virus, or false ideology, especially religious doctrines) and simulation. '

Valle explores the spiritual control component of ET actions on earth in great depth in his book Dimensions. from my reading of the book, i wouldn't take away that he is proposing a system exactly the same as the one supposed to be laid out by the gnostics. for one thing, in certain cases people have been healed and their lives greatly improved through alien contact. also, religions which have come to be accepted worldwide have been started and or propagated through contact which fits the same pattern as alien (he explores joseph smith's visions and the virgin of guadalupe from this perspective). he concentrates on the stories and images or ideas that come out of alien contact, and how these are spread and interpreted in the larger culture. i would recommend this book highly to anyone interested in the topic.

also, don't forget there are more than one type of alien, coming from more than one place/dimension/energy level.

[rothbardian]

Good comments from Stephen Morgan:

Sorry, "if people were only like I want them to be I wouldn't have to manipulate them so much" doesn't win any time from me.

Exactly.

So where are all thse straight adepts?

Yes--where are they?

...misguided belief in benevolent elites...

Exactly--It's the same old baloney: "We're here to help you. We just need to take away your freedom first." Hillary, Rockefeller, Dick Cheney, Charles Manson, some sort of creepy non-humans and 4000-year-old "adepts"...they're all exactly the same to me-- they have a busybody philosophy that involves poking their noses into affairs that are none of their business, i.e. my life. It's the immoral concept of...controlling the lives of other people.

Proposing a philosophy of elitist control?? Come on. What in the world are some of you folks thinking about??

[professorpan]

Lash's linking of Gnostic archons with UFO entities is identical to Jim "Psychedelic Shamanism" DeKorne's -- I wonder who came up with the idea first? Does Lash reference DeKorne?

I'm also very curious about this quote:

"Physical descriptions of Archons occur in several Gnostic codices. Two types are clearly identified: a neonate or embryonic type, and a draconic or reptilian type. Obviously, these descriptions fit the Greys and Reptilians of contemporary reports to a T. Or I should say, to an ET."

Does he give any references? I've been trying to find physical descriptions of the archons from the gnostic literature for years -- would love to know where he got that info from.

[Jeff]

Proposing a philosophy of elitist control?? Come on. What in the world are some of you folks thinking about??

And where in the world did you get that? The point Lash wants to make is to distinguish archaic initiatory tradition from priestly social engineering. It's the latter that's a project of "elitist control," not the former.

[professorpan]

The point Lash wants to make is to distinguish archaic initiatory tradition from priestly social engineering. It's the latter that's a project of "elitist control," not the former.

Exactly. Initiation rites are all about finding illumination and truth within one's SELF, as opposed to priestly intermediation between the Mystery and the masses.

[John E. Nemo]

Good comments from Stephen Morgan:

Sorry, "if people were only like I want them to be I wouldn't have to manipulate them so much" doesn't win any time from me.

Exactly.

So where are all thse straight adepts?

Yes--where are they?

...misguided belief in benevolent elites...

Exactly--It's the same old baloney: "We're here to help you. We just need to take away your freedom first." Hillary, Rockefeller, Dick Cheney, Charles Manson, some sort of creepy non-humans and 4000-year-old "adepts"...they're all exactly the same to me-- they have a busybody philosophy that involves poking their noses into affairs that are none of their business, i.e. my life. It's the immoral concept of...controlling the lives of other people.

Proposing a philosophy of elitist control?? Come on. What in the world are some of you folks thinking about??

Exactly.

The worst part is that they wanna replace any notions of altruism with Social Darwinist, survival of the fittest, Malthusian BS.
Damn those Xians and their "love they neighbor" shit.

I've heard New Age losers say "The homeless are working out their bad karma. Nothing we can do."
I became so enraged that I asked the person who said this if it was okay if I stabbed them, since bleeding out would be them working out their bad karma.
Blaming the victim is a shortcut to thingking, like most New Age Iluminati space cult BS.

Funny how these losers will sell you this "Super-Galactic_Cosmic-Oneness" pipe dream of enlightenement, yet, for 4,000 years haven't beeen able to produce ONE "enlightened" individual.

Just pretty lies and pipe dreams to distract you from the suffering of your fellow man.

[teamdaemon]

So where are all thse straight adepts?

They are hiding from the war on drugs. Use your imagination.

Just pretty lies and pipe dreams to distract you from the suffering of your fellow man.

I guess some people just love being miserable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZbLFGnDJPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUiuS5C8M08

[rothbardian]

Jeff said:

It's the latter that's a project of "elitist control," not the former.

Well...at least then, you're not openly proposing some sort of (ET?) elitism. I was just getting the same read on your post that Stephen Morgan and Johnny Nemo were getting. It appears to be proposing all sorts of creepy secretiveness, and forcible manipulation of others. When some group comes along and claims they would like to create "skilled, well-balanced, enlightened individuals who would create a society good enough that it did not need to be run by external management"...that shouldn't be cause for great concern?

If it were all as PPan says it is...just a personal quest for spiritual awakening (or something), I'm all for the freedom to do such. But I'm seeing all of this stuff in a grand 'cosmic' context, where many powerful entities with ugly agendas have every reason in the world to try to 'snow' people with a bunch of deceptions. I'm certainly on the lookout for that sort of thing. I guess I would echo Morgan's (and Nemo's) concerns-- If they're "benevolent", then why is everything so secretive?

[antiaristo]

The point Lash wants to make is to distinguish archaic initiatory tradition from priestly social engineering. It's the latter that's a project of "elitist control," not the former.

Exactly. Initiation rites are all about finding illumination and truth within one's SELF, as opposed to priestly intermediation between the Mystery and the masses.

Pan, if what you say is true, how do you account for the blood oaths?

And if there is no intermediation (priestly or otherwise?), then who does the neophyte obey?

[John E. Nemo]

So where are all thse straight adepts?

They are hiding from the war on drugs. Use your imagination.

The Illuminati run the rug trade.
Jeff has chronicled this quite well, in the past.

Use your intuition.

Just pretty lies and pipe dreams to distract you from the suffering of your fellow man.

I guess some people just love being miserable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZbLFGnDJPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUiuS5C8M08

I'm all for legalizing hemp for oil, clothing, paper, etc.
I eat hemp protein everyday.

Psa 104:14 Jah causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth;

We should be growing forests of hemp, but are prevented from doing so by laws passed by the power elite.
Read "The Emporer Wears No Clothes" sometime.

My only beef is when everyone wants to "contemplate their navel" while on hallucinogens and ignores social problems like hunger and homelessness.

Why do you hate the homeless so much?

[John E. Nemo]

Also, lest we forget, long before Illuminati tools like Leary showed up with his UFO psychedelic cults, Judaism described UFO visitations.

Ezekiel 1: 4 And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.

16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.

Kinda like this....

http://www.break.com/index/ufos-spotted-in-haiti.html

[Eldritch]

The Illuminati run the rug trade.

Holy shit.

So THAT's where all the world's bad toupees come from...