Another university shooting...

[Avalon]

"I'm still blown away by the coincidences," Eric Thompson said. "I'm shaking. I can't believe somebody would order from us again and do this."

But... but... he said he was buying the gun to make a mold to cast jello jigglers in. Nobody could have known that he'd actually buy a gun and shoot someone with it!

Gun dealer Eric Thompson shouldn't worry, I'm sure business will be "booming" once all the fuss dies down. I thought his un-ironic use of the phrase "blown away" to describe his feelings was pretty interesting, under the circumstances.

Fucktard.

Fucktard with blood on his hands.

[Sweejak]

Joe, what is your take on the Port Arthur Massacre?

[lunarose]

"cc wrote:
dude was supposed to be on meds. was the shooter at vtech also supposed to be on meds?


8bit response:
They are ALWAYS on SSRI cocktails, of one sort or another. Yet ya dont hear the left calling for a ban of these drugs."

Steve Kazmierczak had been on psych meds of some kind or other but had stopped taking them in the last two weeks or so. the v tech shooter had been recommended (or court-ordered possibly?) to receive psych treatment but no follow up was done, and as far as anyone could tell he never got any treatment.

There has been a lot of pressure on the fda to put more restrictions on the use of ssris, that is why you have the 'black box' warnings on some of them regarding suicide risk. don't know the left or right of the pressure groups.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Joe, what is your take on the Port Arthur Massacre?

To be honest I have no idea.

There are several aspects of it that seem sus. One several levels.

First off there has been some talk about it being the work of more than one perp, and the way the victims were shot in the cafe was apparantly too fast and too professional for Martin Bryant. I dunno how to assess that info. There have been no photos of it, and no serious evidence of more than one perp.

I have also seen, online a rather irate letter from a survivor of the massacre really getting stuck into the people who push these claims. The survivor, who lost family in the massacre claimed that Bryant acted alone, and he or she was quite upset that these "conspiracy theories" were making the event into something it wasn't.

There is another level of sussness too. Again this was years ago, but martin Bryant was apparantly seeing a shrink before the massacres and apparantly the shrink was involved in some strange therapies. there was a suggestion of mind control, and Bryant being used as a tool for disarming Australia.

Thats a bit foolish tho. Australia isn't that armed. Esp in cities the number of people with guns is very low. Outside cities more people have guns, but usually they are used for farming or other work. Australia doesn't have the gun culture that the US has.

And illegal weapons are as easy to get as ever.




There is a weird connection to that massacre tho.

I went camping at Port Arthur when I was a young teenager. What was weird was that for months afterward I had dreams about going nuts and shooting people there. I would wake up rather freaked out. I don't think the dreams were anything like the actual events of the day, but I would end up at Port Arthur and shoot lots of people, some were trying to shoot back, some may have been soldiers or cops and some were innocent civillians without any weapons.

Port Arthur has a horrible history as a convict settlement. Some really bad shit happened to the prisoners there and it had a reputation as a haunted place long before the massacre took place. Its always had a vibe even before the massacre. I assumed those dreams were just reacting to the vibe. I think I saw the first Rambo movie at the same time. And it was just a year after my old man got chased out of Tassie.

I put those dreams down to the vibe of the place and teen angst and anger at what happened.

The weekend of the massacre someone turned up here with a video game console and we played Doom all weekend, didn't turn the radio or tv on once. That was the last time I had played a FPS and the first in years, cept the odd game here and there at peoples places. We were in the middle of running around shooting stuff in Doomland when my old girl rang up to say what had happened.

That was freaky.

The vibe I got from those dreams was being in a fucked up state with no control over my emotions and no empathy with other people. I guess that makes me more inclined to accept that Bryant acted alone.

Tho I dunno what the story was with his shrink. Thats still worth investigating probably.

[Sweejak]

Damn, that is pretty chilling, the dreams. Some places, some items have bad vibes all over them. I bought a set of drill bits once and I won't use them. There is something awful about them, where they were made, who made them... I don't know.

This is some of what I have on Port Arthur:

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/M ... yant3.html

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/port_arthur.htm

http://www.2012.com.au/DAT.html

Audio with Carl Wernerhoff

http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/node/51321

[junojones]

http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/wit ... ns-FDA.htm

Withdrawal from paroxetine can be severe, warns FDA


Alison Tonks, Bristol

GlaxoSmithKline, a leading drugs manufacturer, was last week forced to admit that paroxetine, a widely prescribed antidepressant and the company's best selling drug, can cause severe withdrawal symptoms when stopped.

The Food and Drug Administration in the United States published a new product warning about the drug, and in the same week the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Associations declared the company guilty of misleading the public about paroxetine on US television a year ago.

"This drug has been promoted for years as safe and easy to discontinue," said Charles Medawar, head of Social Audit, a consumer research group specialising in medicines policy. "The fact that it can cause intolerable withdrawal symptoms of the kind that could lead to dependence is enormously important to patients, doctors, investors, and the company.

"GlaxoSmithKline has evaded the issue since it was granted a licence for paroxetine over 10 years ago, and the drug has become a blockbuster for them, generating about a tenth of their entire revenue. The company has been promoting paroxetine directly to consumers as `non-habit forming' for far too long."

Mr Medawar lodged a complaint a year ago after a spokesman from GlaxoWellcome, then a UK company, described withdrawal symptoms with paroxetine as "very rare" during an appearance on an American television network. The spokesman added "[withdrawal] occurs in only two out of every 1000 patients . . . Even then the symptoms are mild and short lived."

In fact, withdrawal symptoms such as bad dreams, paraesthesia, and dizziness occur in up to 7% of patients, according to the new product information. The warning also mentions anecdotal reports of agitation, sweating, and nausea and tells doctors to consider restarting treatment if symptoms become intolerable.

The complaint was originally dismissed but went to appeal. On 18 January the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Associations announced that GlaxoSmithKline had breached two of the industry's codes of practice. The federation ruled that the spokesman's comments were promotional and were wrong.

Dr Peter Haddad, consultant psychiatrist for Salford's Mental Health Service NHS Trust, welcomed the FDA's safety warning. He said: "Withdrawal side effects from antidepressants are far commoner than many people realise, and there's evidence that paroxetine has one of the highest rates. In most cases the symptoms are mild, but in a minority they are severe and prolongedand treatable only by restarting the drug."

"There is also the danger of misdiagnosis and inappropriate investigation. Severe dizziness can easily look like labyrinthitis. Patients should be warned not to stop taking their antidepressants suddenly, and doctors should taper the dose at the end of treatment, keeping a close watch for withdrawal symptoms," Dr Haddad added.

He also called for discontinuation problems to be thoroughly assessed before new antidepressant drugs are licensed. "This is a seriously under-researched area. There's no good evidence to help doctors get the dosing right as patients come off treatment. It's still a matter of trial and error."

SSRI's are just nasty. I'm not surprised to see them increasingly linked to this stuff.

What looks to be links to a number of articles:
http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/add ... drawal.htm

[Joe Hillshoist]

Sweejak cheers. If I get the time I'll get back to you about all that. I'm pretty busy at the moment.

[Sweejak]

No sweat Joe.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Could be a hurry up and disarm the people already type of scheme...

Well that's what people cry every time, but has there actually even been any major push for that in the wake of recent shootings?

Keeping America loaded with guns is an important social engineering device that promotes violence as normal along with militarism.

Internet gun dealer

However, attacking the internet IS on the table with that Thought Crime bill, H.R. 1955.

And with the triple anniveraries of JFK/45, RFK/40, MLK/40 this is a good year for random lone gunmen to remind everyone that these three political assassinations...weren't.

Funny thing about two 1966 events-

A book by Richard H. Popkin, an extremely well-credentialed and respected academic, came out suggesting someone was impersonating Lee Harvey Oswald in public sightings to frame him up before the murder of JFK.

The book was called 'The Second Oswald.'

Then Charles Whitman, a 25 year-old University of Texas student and former Marine, shot 45 people from a 32-story tower on campus.

Kind of like a ..."second Oswald."

[Stephen Morgan]

Keeping America loaded with guns is an important social engineering device that promotes violence as normal along with militarism.

So is peddling the siege-mentality "they want our guns" meme.