Mobile phones 'more dangerous than smoking'

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Postby Penguin » Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:09 pm

chlamor: true. I have heard of that. Coltan seems to be a pretty rare thing as well - there arent many places where its known to exist.

Id be happy to lose my phone - but here its getting hard to get a landline, and very expensive. You know, Finland has about the highest density of cellphones..They wont even give landline service to rural areas anymore. Theyve just disconnected big parts of Lapland, for example.

And discussing health dangers of mobiles is just not happening here. Nokia is the biggest cell company - and theyre originally finnish, with their main hq still here. They just make it not happen. People who talk about this are ridiculed and called tin foil hatters. For real.

I buy only used phones thou. Thou I try to buy everything used if possible..And fix stuff as much as possible - luckily I know how to fix most mechanical things and most simple electronics. Phones are well beyond me...

The same things are true for most electronics, sadly..They tend to end up being dumped in poor countries when their shelf life is over..
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Postby bks » Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:02 pm

What about laptop computers? When they use a wireless connection to the internet, isn't that radiation-emitting as well?

Tell me I'm wrong, please.
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Postby American Dream » Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:07 pm

bks wrote:
What about laptop computers? When they use a wireless connection to the internet, isn't that radiation-emitting as well?


Yes, they do.

Since questions about the bio-effects of different forms of electromagnetic radiation are not resolved, you would be well-advised to limit your exposure, especially of organs in close proximity to transmitters. This includes bluetooth.
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Postby American Dream » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:35 am

Cell Phone Scare: What Do We Really Know About the Health Risks?
By Elisa Batista, Terrain

Posted on March 27, 2009

http://www.alternet.org/story/132483/

Last July, renowned cancer expert Dr. Ronald Herberman sent off a rather alarming note to the 3,000 faculty and staff members at the University of Pittsburgh warning that children should limit their use of cell phones to decrease their risk of cancer. "Although the evidence is still controversial, I am convinced that there are sufficient data to warrant issuing an advisory to share some precautionary advice on cell phone use," wrote Herberman, who heads the University of Pittsburgh Cancer Institute. He also advised adults to choose texting, Bluetooth headsets, or speakerphone options instead of holding a cell phone to the ear.

A few months later, Herberman was standing before the House Subcommittee on Domestic Policy, explaining
why he’d sent up this warning flare. After all, pinning down whether mobile phones -- or the many antenna towers that relay their calls via radiofrequency (RF) signals -- actually cause cancer or other health problems has been a notoriously tricky scientific endeavor. Studies investigating their risks have often been ambiguous and confusing, partly because cell phone technologies are still relatively new, and partly because many cancers take years to develop. Phones’ long-term impact on children, whose brains absorb more RF radiation than those of adults, also remains unclear.

For Herberman, some early study results are troubling enough to warrant caution: "Despite the lack of consistency in outcomes in all the cell phone publications, there are several well-designed studies that suggest that long-term (ten years or more) use of wireless phone devices is associated with a significant increase in risk for glioblastoma (glioma), a very aggressive and fatal brain tumor, and acoustic neuroma, a benign tumor of the auditory nerve that is responsible for our hearing," he testified.

Yet despite worries about their long-term effects, mobile phones are popular because they offer clear-cut short-term health and safety benefits: They can be a lifesaver in emergency situations, and help parents keep tabs on their kids’ whereabouts from a distance. According to the Wireless Association trade group, there are close to 270 million subscribers in the United States -- that’s out of about 300 million Americans.

Cell phone companies have been all too eager to stress their products’ harmlessness. Cell phones emit "non-ionizing radiation," similar to the kind produced by microwave ovens and cordless phones. (X-rays, on the other hand, are a form of ionizing radiation.) These items may heat up when used, but this form of electromagnetic radiation has long been considered unable to change the DNA of an organism -- and DNA breakdown is a possible precursor to cancer.

But cell phones’ explosion in the marketplace, and users’ tendency to wear them close to the body and hold them repeatedly to the same ear, have led scientists to take a second look. The results of international studies have been mixed. Probably the most thorough research so far is the thirteen-country Interphone study overseen by the World Health Organization, which received some funding from the cell phone industry. In some cases, as in the Nordic countries and Britain, cell phone subscribers who used the devices for ten years or more reported higher rates of glioma brain tumors on the side of the head on which they most often used their phones. But scientists relied on people’s recollection of which ear they used for phone conversations and how often they talked on the phone, and human recollection is not always reliable.

On the other end of the spectrum, Germany found no link at all between cell phone use and cancer. Both Israel and Japan, which have large populations of heavy cell phone users, urged more research. The Israeli study suggested there may be an association between heavy mobile phone use and the risk of salivary gland tumors but called for further study. Japanese researchers also said they needed a larger sample size to confirm any link between cell phone use and cancerous tumors.

In 2008 Swedish oncologist Dr. Lennart Hardell, who was one of the first to study the health risks of cordless and mobile phones, tried to clarify these mixed results by doing a detailed analysis of the Interphone data, as well as data from several other contemporary studies. Because some studies included data on people who used cell phones infrequently, or who had not used them for many years, Hardell suspected that their cancer risk findings were too low. When Hardell focused on only the studies that evaluated decade-long exposure, he noticed that all of them showed an increased risk of glioma on the side of the head used for telephone calls.

Other concerns have been raised about how cell phones affect the ambient environment in neighborhoods where antenna towers -- also known as base stations -- are located. To offer the most affordable and complete coverage, cell phone carriers are placing these base stations nearly everywhere: in schools, churches, apartment complexes and businesses, subjecting nearby residents to whole-body radiofrequency exposure. In some cases, people living or working near these structures have complained of health problems like insomnia, headaches, and dizziness; studies have attempted to link antenna towers with everything from memory problems to heightened body temperatures, but with little consensus.

Ultimately, it’s even harder for researchers to assess the health risks of cell towers than of the phones themselves. For one thing, holding a cell phone close to the body has more impact than standing near a cell tower. Additionally, because symptoms like headaches are so general and hard to pin to one cause, it’s difficult to prove correlation. So far, authorities like the World Health Organization have concluded that "there is no convincing scientific evidence that the weak RF signals from base stations and wireless networks cause adverse health effects."

Nevertheless, concerned people like environmental consultant Cindy Sage, owner of the Montecito-based firm Sage Associates, think that further federally funded studies are needed. "Although scientific studies as yet have not been able to confirm a cause-and-effect relationship, these complaints are widespread and the cause of significant public concern in some countries where wireless technologies are fairly mature and widely distributed," Sage wrote in a report presented to the BioInitiative Working Group, an independent group of international scientists, researchers, and public health policy professionals in the area of electromagnetic fields. "For example, the roll-out of the new third-generation wireless phones and related community-wide antenna RF emissions in the Netherlands caused almost immediate public complaints of illness." (Sage is equally leery of the phones themselves: "I have one for emergencies, but I don’t use it," she says. "I think this is an experiment on the human race I don’t want to participate in.")

The ambiguities surrounding the health effects of base stations bring the debate to a local level. Take the High Street area of Point Richmond, where a T-Mobile antenna installation has been the focus of litigation, neighborhood infighting, and reports of medical problems.

At first glance, the rooftop base station is easy to miss despite its size and breadth of coverage. The antennas
are enclosed in an inoffensive orange box, which up close has no lid and measures six feet tall and seven and a half feet wide. Inside the enclosure are six thick pipes -- the antennas -- with smaller, more intricate boxes attached to them. According to Rod De La Rosa, senior manager of external affairs at T-Mobile, a typical installation can handle a hundred voice and data users simultaneously. "Our increasingly mobile society requires an increasing number of mobile services," he says. "People rely on their mobile phones for much more than just talking -- they listen to music, send and receive emails and text messages, swap photos, and even contact emergency services."

But despite the subtlety of the orange box, some neighbors say its effects have been all too apparent. Freelance writer Robin Carpenter and her husband Andrew Olmsted own a three-story Victorian house on High Street. In 2007, a few months after the base station was installed on an apartment complex fifty feet from their bedroom window, the two say they began to feel ill. "I had nosebleeds and skin rashes," says Carpenter. "The visual disturbances and blinding headaches were the worst. I wasn’t sleeping and was feeling depressed."

Eventually Carpenter and Olmsted say the toll on their health became too much. They relocated to west Marin, paying rent there and the mortgage on their Richmond house. In west Marin, where, she says, "there is no cell phone reception," Carpenter started sleeping through the night again. The nosebleeds, rashes, and other symptoms subsided. Then she returned to Point Richmond to check on the house. "When we came back, within a week, the headaches were coming back," she says.

Another High Street resident who asked not to be named for fear it would interfere with pending litigation said that within two weeks of the installation she started having headaches, muscle aches, and nosebleeds. She had to rearrange her furniture and move her home office away from the antennas. She wants to move but has run into difficulty selling her home. "The subject of moving has been a discussion for a year," she says. "But we are financially trapped. Also, we have had real estate agents [make] it clear that the cell tower is a big issue and must be disclosed and would have a negative impact on the sale price of the house."

The base station garnered plenty of neighborhood opposition before it was installed at 260 Water Street, says the building’s manager Anthony Tripp. Tripp, along with his wife Sandy, lives in the apartment directly beneath the antennas. "I couldn’t find one person [who favored the installation], other than our landlord and his wife," Tripp says. "There wasn’t anyone. The general reaction was quite negative. It [the base station] magically appeared there without anyone’s foreknowledge." Tripp says he and his wife have not experienced any health symptoms related to the antennas, but they are concerned about possible long-term effects and the lack of community input regarding its presence.

Disgruntled neighbors circulated rumors, including one that the apartment building’s owners, Gerald and Janice Feagley, were receiving $25,000 a month for renting installation space to T-Mobile. (The couple’s attorney, Kathleen McKinley, says that figure is more like $2,000 a month.) On June 2, 2008, Carpenter and Olmsted, along with ten other named residents and their organization, Richmond Residents for Responsible Antenna Placement and Planning (www.rap4richmond.org), filed a lawsuit against T-Mobile, the city of Richmond, and the Feagleys. The plaintiffs accused the city of failing to provide public notice and conduct public environmental reviews of the antennas, violating residents’ due process rights. They also claimed that T-Mobile’s tower "generates far more power -- and poses a correspondingly greater threat to public health and safety -- than most other cell towers."

But federal law makes it hard for neighbors to protest. The monumental Telecommunications Act of 1996, passed during the Clinton administration to promote competition in the industry, prohibits residents from blocking the installation of cell phone antennas on public or owner-approved land, including schools, churches, and apartment complexes, for health reasons. Legally, residents can block the installations if they can prove electromagnetic fields exceed limits imposed by the Federal Communications Commission or the structures violate local zoning ordinances, but they cannot fight the cell phone service providers for fear their products
will give them cancer.

T-Mobile says it is very cautious about adhering to federal limits. "Typically we have an independent third party engineer check our equipment against prevailing standards with the FCC," says De La Rosa. "Typically our exposure is less than one percent of the maximum exposure allowed by the FCC." Kathleen McKinley, the Feagleys’ attorney, says the Water Street installation meets federal exposure and health standards. Those who feel the government’s guidelines are too relaxed "need to take the issue up with the federal government rather than attack private individuals that haven’t done anything illegal," she says.

The local court system agreed with her: on September 10, 2008, the residents’ lawsuit was dismissed by Judge Barbara Zuniga of the Contra Costa County court system on the grounds that she had no jurisdiction over a federal issue like the Telecommunications Act. She declined to hear the case again in November after Carpenter’s
attorney filed a motion for reconsideration.

The failed lawsuit has left the neighborhood swirling with bad feelings. The Tripps say people have moved out of a nearby apartment complex as well as refused to move into the neighborhood because of the installation. Still, the Tripps are offended at the vitriol directed at the Feagleys. "The other people were too aggressive," Sandy Tripp says of their most vocal neighbors. "They were spreading nasty rumors. They weren’t going about it the right way."

For their part, Carpenter and Olmsted feel they were personally attacked for speaking out against the antenna installation. "‘You are the ones that devalue the property by speaking up!’" she recalled neighbors saying. "It’s an interesting mindset."

Now the couple is mulling the next move in light of dwindling alternatives and resources. They are trying to negotiate with their mortgage lender to see if they can freeze their house payments -- or even receive help with legal bills -- until the dispute over the antenna is resolved. The other option is a short sell. "We will probably end up losing our home and not have property in Richmond," Carpenter tearfully says. "But we are fighting this battle for Richmond. We feel this is important. If we lose our house, we know we helped others keep theirs safe."

The couple, along with Richmond city councilmembers and engineers, has also drafted a 27-page ordinance they hope will become a model for cities and towns across the country. In it, the group asks that future antennas be placed on sites at least 1,000 feet from "residential uses, schools, daycare centers, hospitals, and mixed-use areas." It stipulates how the equipment is to be installed and calls for regular radiofrequency readings by an independent contractor paid for by the wireless service provider. (If approved, the ordinance could be finalized this spring.)

One more consolation prize: for their work with RAP, Carpenter and Olmsted received a citation for public service from Richmond Mayor Gayle McLaughlin on January 27. "We’ve been getting calls from around the country," about antenna issues, Carpenter says. "We try to be a good resource so people don’t have to spend as much time as we did trying to figure this out."

Given the confusing studies and the fact that cell phones are a part of modern life, what is a concerned person to do? One could stop using cell phones -- but almost no one interviewed for this article was willing to do it. After all, cell phones can be awfully handy if you’re ever sick, hurt, or lost. One local mom, Melinda Reilly of Orinda, reacted cautiously to Dr. Herberman’s warning about children’s cancer risk. "I got myself, my husband, and daughter ear buds," she said. She’s relieved that her seventeen-year-old daughter uses the phone largely for text messaging, which according to Herberman, is the safer way to go.

But others say cell phones are a small risk in an otherwise risky world. Elaine Lindelef, a partner at a computer-consulting firm in Mendocino County, says she is not worried about her family’s cell phone use. "If you walk down a busy street every day and breathe in the fumes of all the cars, that is more of a carcinogenic exposure than talking on the phone," she figures.

McKinley, the Feagleys’ lawyer, expressed a similar sentiment about the towers themselves: "People are exposed to all sorts of chemicals short-term and long-term. Living near 580 and the bridge and exposure to automobile exhaust is probably more damaging to them than living near a cell antenna." As T-Mobile’s De La Rosa points out, even if worried people just keep a cell phone on hand for emergencies, it still validates the need for antennas everywhere. "People expect coverage where they live, work, and play, and to be able to provide that level of coverage, these antenna facilities are necessary," he says.

For those looking to reduce their electromagnetic radiation risk, Herberman recommends not carrying the cell phone on the body, unless its keypad is positioned towards you so the phone’s electromagnetic fields "move away from you rather than through you." He also recommends using speakerphone or a wireless headset to avoid placing the phone on your ear. If you must put the phone to your head, make sure to switch ears regularly and keep the conversation as short as possible. And try to avoid using the phone when there is bad reception such as in a moving train or car, Herberman urges. While it’s still too early to know for sure how cell phones might impact human health, anyone who’s worried may want to consider this a bug in their ear.
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Postby Nordic » Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:45 am

What sucks is that for freelancers such as myself, a cell phone is now as much a requirement for work as is ....... fuck, I don't know ... a CAR?

Seriously. I avoided getting a cell phone as long as I possibly could, until one day when I was given the wrong directions by the production manager and found myself out in the middle of nowhere for a 5 a.m. job. Pitch black, completely lost, not even any pay phones around. When I finally did show up (late, which is a big no-no in my line of work), she admitted she gave me bad directions, but said "why didn't you just call me on your cell?"

The assumption that everybody has a cell phone is now become an excuse for all sorts of behavior that nobody questions.

One more totally fucked up thing about our society.
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Postby Penguin » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:46 am

Oh yeah...
Body electric and all.
We just dont know how our wetware works yet, to be able to tell the ways in which EM radiation affects us. Im pretty sure it does, in harmful ways as well.

But here I am, tethered to a 3G mobile internet connection. I speak very little on the phone thou, so at least this radio device is not against my head, but some half meter away.

Your right about how everything has been organized around the idea of mobile connectivity these days. Even more so here in Nokialand. I resisted a phone until 2001 or so...Nowadays people get worried if you dont answer your cell promptly - even more so if you turn it off for a couple of days. Thats akin to getting lost without telling anyone, if ya dont have an answering service...

Many places landlines are either not available anymore, or are prohibitively expensive.
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Postby Col. Quisp » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:52 pm

Couldn't resist jumping in here -- I wrote about this last summer in a tech journal - I wondered about the cumulative effect of being exposed to multiple sources of EMF radiation.

here's an excerpt:

Children may be more susceptible to this radiation because their skulls are not fully developed. Those “Firefly” phones, marketed to parents who want to keep track of their children, might not be such a hot idea after all. In addition, children are becoming addicted to cell phone use. In Japan, officials are worried that elementary and junior high school students are experiencing long-term negative effects of cell phone addiction. Long-term overuse of cell phones by children and the effects of exposure to the EMF radiation has not been studied, let alone how it might be changing the way their brains work.

A study of 13,000 children, published in the July 2008 issue of Epdemiology concluded that prenatal exposure to cell phones is significantly associated with behavioral problems that manifest around the time children enter school. The authors state, “These associations may be noncausal and may be due to unmeasured confounding. If real, they would be of public health concern given the widespread use of this technology.”

This international study suggests that mothers who talked on a cell phone only twice a day had children who later developed behavioral problems. And if those children use cell phones before they reach age seven, the chance of developing hyperactivity is even greater. This study could change the way the world operates, if enough people learn about it. It’s particularly impressive because one of the authors, UCLA Professor Leeka Kheifets, was originally a skeptic concerning cell phones’ relation to health hazards. Kheifets, who serves on a committee of the International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection, claimed three years ago there’s no evidence of ill effects resulting from exposure to radiofrequency fields.

We’re constantly bombarded by new information from all sides, almost in the same way we’re hit by invisible EMF radiation all the time. One minute, we hear that EMF radiation is harmless in small doses, the next we hear from people who claim they can sense the presence of a WiFi network when they visit a friend’s house, and they become violently ill. And, another study reports that talking on a cell phone might improve your memory. You could spend your entire day Googling on your laptop to read about this issue. When I did, I found nothing that addresses the cumulative effect of multiple “minimal” exposures from our various EMF-emitting tools (phones, WiFi networks, microwaves, etc.) on our health. It may be impossible to conduct such a study and weed out all contributing factors.
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Postby chiggerbit » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:58 pm

Dare I ask what grasping a mouse several hours a day might do?
"He created a desert and called it peace."
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Postby Penguin » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:24 pm

chiggerbit wrote:Dare I ask what grasping a mouse several hours a day might do?


Screwed wrists? Carpal tunnel syndrome?
:D

Some coders use a reflective piece of tape in the middle of their glasses and a webcam/ IR cam to track their head movements and guide the pointer that way..

http://www.spectronicsinoz.com/catalogu ... ternatives

http://www.spectronicsinoz.com/product/tracker-pro
How Does It Work?
Plug Tracker Pro into the mouse/USB port (instead of a mouse) and mount it on top of a computer screen, laptop, or augmentative communication device. Tracker Pro’s high-resolution intelligent camera – in a solid aluminum enclosure – then tracks a tiny reflective dot worn on your forehead or glasses. When you move your head, Tracker Pro elegantly converts that into computer mouse movement, and you move your mouse cursor.
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Postby tal » Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:24 pm

[url=http://www.scribd.com/doc/13295171/Effects-of-Mobile-Phone-Radio-Frequency-on-the-Structure-and-Function-of-the-Normal-Human-Hemoglobin]
Effects of Mobile Phone Radio Frequency on the Structure and Function of the Normal Human Hemoglobin
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Electromagnetic fields stress living cells
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Postby tal » Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:27 pm

[url=http://www.emf-health.com/reports-cordlessphones.htm]Cordless handsets 100 times worse than mobiles, say experts.

Having a cordless phone in your house can be 100 times more of a health risk than using a mobile. The popular phones constantly blast out high levels of radiation - even when they are not in use. Landlines are widely thought a safer option than mobiles. But researchers in Sweden now warn cordless phones are far more likely to cause brain tumours than today's mobiles. [/url]
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Postby timetunneler » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:53 pm

tal wrote:[url=http://www.emf-health.com/reports-cordlessphones.htm]Cordless handsets 100 times worse than mobiles, say experts.

Having a cordless phone in your house can be 100 times more of a health risk than using a mobile. The popular phones constantly blast out high levels of radiation - even when they are not in use. Landlines are widely thought a safer option than mobiles. But researchers in Sweden now warn cordless phones are far more likely to cause brain tumours than today's mobiles. [/url]


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Postby tal » Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:52 am

timetunneler wrote:
tal wrote:[url=http://www.emf-health.com/reports-cordlessphones.htm]Cordless handsets 100 times worse than mobiles, say experts.

Having a cordless phone in your house can be 100 times more of a health risk than using a mobile. The popular phones constantly blast out high levels of radiation - even when they are not in use. Landlines are widely thought a safer option than mobiles. But researchers in Sweden now warn cordless phones are far more likely to cause brain tumours than today's mobiles. [/url]


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Postby Avalon » Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:47 pm

Does the structure of the billing plans enoucourage much more "use it or lose it" use of the phones, with all this obsession with minutes?

My husband and kids have very basic cell phones for emergencies, with pay-as-you-go refills, not a contract.

I've got one in a plastic bag somewhere, I never got around to activating the sim last fall, so it's probably a good paperweight at the moment. I don't use land-lines for much these days, I'm just not into talking on the phone much.
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Postby whipstitch » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:46 am

I think that people are wise to keep cellphones from touching their body (and especially brain) for extended periods of time, but remember that power goes down by the square of distance so if the distance from your body is doubled, the power is cut by four times so using a headset or speakerphone will make a big difference in the level of radiation experienced in the body.

I don't buy that cordless phones are much worse than cellphones. You can gauge the power to a large degree by the distance the signal can be transmitted. Cellphones are designed to communicate with towers that are miles away so that's a lot of power to be held up against your head. Wifi and cordless phones can go about 100 feet or so and bluetooth only goes about 10 feet so the risk of exposure to those signals is much lower.
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