Oliver Stone's "W"- trailer up now

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Postby Jeff » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:39 pm

8bitagent wrote:So why didn't JFK make a 9/11 film ABOUT the hijackers, the FBI obstruction and the stuff I brought up in the other thread? Shoot if I was given the greenlight I'd deliver the most jarring 9/11 films, with a Silence of the Lambs/Zodiac/JFK like mystery.


But there are many great filmmakers, and greater than Stone, who never get to make the films they want to make. There are only a handful of directors who can make widely-distributed big budget films of whatever story they'd like. And most of those directors are shit.

Nevertheless:

Oliver Stone Considers 9-11 Conspiracy Movie
By Greg Sheffield
September 11, 2006 - 14:59 ET

Perhaps he hopes to give legitimacy to the "9-11 conspiracy" movement. Filmmaker Oliver Stone says he is thinking of doing a movie about a "group of people in the American administration" who planned the terrorist attack. In his classic approach, he will claim that "bin Laden and George Bush met on the Grassy Knoll."

Reports Agence France-Presse:

US filmmaker Oliver Stone, who surprised many with the patriotic flavor of his new film "World Trade Center," hinted here Monday that he is considering a more controversial follow-up investigating the "conspiracy" around 9-11.

"There is a great story in a movie, a conspiracy by a group of people in the American administration who have an agenda and who used 9-11 to further that agenda," he told journalists while in Moscow as part of a world tour to promote his latest movie.

There could be a "fascinating project (on) what happened after September 11," the director said at his packed press conference on the fifth anniversary of the attacks, wearing a light blue, open shirt and dark jacket.

"World Trade Center" tells the story of two New York police officers who were trapped in the ruins of the collapsed twin towers but survived after being found by a retired US marine.

Critics used to Stone's anti-establishment anger in films such as "Salvador", "Platoon", JFK" and "Nixon", were surprised that "World Trade Center" avoids politics and instead concentrates on traditional Hollywood themes of individual courage, sacrifice, faith and family ties.

At his press conference, Stone accused President George W. Bush of mishandling the fight against Bin Laden's militants and using the crisis to stoke fear and bolster his own power at home in a way that was "right out of George Orwell".

"I think there's been an abuse of the powers of government," he said.

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Postby 8bitagent » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:55 pm

Yes, but Stone would later clarify that to say a "post-9/11" conspiracy, meaning the classic liberal view that the "real conspiracy" was the hijacking of the tragic event to further corporate and war pursuits.

I'm a HUGE fan of serious dramas. I liked Syriana, JFK, Munich, ect.
There's an upcoming film called "Traitor" starring Don Cheadle where he plays a CIA provocatuer agent who helps al Qaeda like groups stage terror attacks while maintaining close contact with his CIA handlers.

The upcoming Ridley Scott film "Body of Lies" is about a CIA agent who must infiltrate an al Qaeda cell in Jordan.

I see all these moody, meticulous thrillers...and I think the story about the hijackers in America, Hamberg, Bosnia, Malaysia...and the story of John O'neil, FBI informants, obstruction, Ptech, Melvin Lattimore, Ali Mohamed, WTC 1993 FBI informants, ect would make a most powerful film.
Again, in the vein of say, Syriana or even JFK.
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Postby mutilatedsheep » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:28 pm

Jeff wrote:
mutilatedsheep wrote:Was Oliver Stone ever NOT on the PTB payroll? I must have missed that.


What evidence is there of that?

Salvador

JFK

Nixon ("Opening up that whole Bay of Pigs thing")

Commandante


No evidence, really, just a suspicion on my part. Of course, he may not be "on the payroll" but rather a useless idiot.

To be fair, I haven't seen two of the three films you reference. Of the ones I have seen though, these are my reasons for questioning his motives:

Platoon - War is HELL. But it's also pretty effing cool. And heroic.

JFK - This thing was a snoozefest. I saw it years and years later so maybe all the hype made me expect too much. Yawn. OMG there was a conspiracy. Yes? It didn't bring anything new to the table. Taken in the context of his other films it cheapens the discussion, imo.

Natural Born Killers - Serial Killers = MTV stars. But they're bad. No, really... *wink*

The Doors - People are forgetting the Laurel Canyon crowd - hey! Look over here, isn't Kilmer hauntingly like Morrison? Cool...

World Trade Center - no comment even necessary, really. The poster alone was a mind"freak" with firemen half as tall as the towers.

Meh, maybe he's just a terrible filmmaker. I don't rule that out. :D
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Postby Truth4Youth » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:58 am

8bitagent wrote:I almost get the feeling that Comedy Central spoofing of Bush, despite the right wing being angry about, is actually PRO Bush. Poking fun at presidents is always par for course. I consider Colbert to be a PTB court jester.


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Postby Fresno_Layshaft » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:11 am

If you don't think JFK and Born on the Fourth of July are GREAT films, you don't know film.

Sure he's made his share of crap. But he's a true maverick, even if the paranoid-types around here think he's a CIA stooge or some such rubbish. The way people dismiss genuine artists and filmmakers in this forum is pretty depressing.
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Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:41 am

Fresno_Layshaft wrote:If you don't think JFK and Born on the Fourth of July are GREAT films, you don't know film.

Sure he's made his share of crap. But he's a true maverick, even if the paranoid-types around here think he's a CIA stooge or some such rubbish. The way people dismiss genuine artists and filmmakers in this forum is pretty depressing.


I almost get the feeling, after rewatching JFK...that if this was 1968, and NOT 2008...but we had the internet and Rigorous Intuition...

Hugh Manatee would be saying "forget the Cubans, Mafia, Oswald connection to the deep state and CIA shenanigans...the head shot! the head shot! The grassy knoll!"

...he'd be right, but he'd be missing the whole enchilada.

I seem to appreciate JFK more and more, the more I understand how the deep state works. It's a genius film, and a wonder how it got made.

Sadly, this is not the same Oliver Stone anymore.

Btw, that "W" trailer creeped me out, hallucinary...like the scene of Bush jogging...felt like Natural Born Killers.

I wonder if this film hints at Bush's alleged abuse?
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Postby mutilatedsheep » Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:29 am

Fresno_Layshaft wrote:If you don't think JFK and Born on the Fourth of July are GREAT films, you don't know film.

Sure he's made his share of crap. But he's a true maverick, even if the paranoid-types around here think he's a CIA stooge or some such rubbish. The way people dismiss genuine artists and filmmakers in this forum is pretty depressing.


Born on the 4th of July?????? Seriously?
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Postby RocketMan » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:07 am

Btw, that "W" trailer creeped me out, hallucinary...like the scene of Bush jogging...felt like Natural Born Killers.


Yeah, I thought the same thing. It's a creepy shot, even though it's seemingly mundane.

Born on the 4th of July?????? Seriously?


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Postby MinM » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:37 am

Here's some background on the making of "Born on the 4th of July" with "Top Gun's" Tom Cruise...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j0AiKnrG7ag
It ends with Stone giving the genesis of "JFK".

BTW -- when you have some time this show is worthwhile. Oliver Stone details how hard it was to get movies made, "Platoon".., and some that were taken away, "Mississippi Burning":

Oliver Stone: "THE DIRECTORS"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cuJ9zpV9_Y0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iLXcG36j_RY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j0AiKnrG7ag
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dUsxJYM9JcI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IjxhTNsYVt4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8SeQDQHLumQ
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