truth about Georgian aggression censored all over TV

[SonOfKitty]

The Israeli role and its ties to Georgia have also been downplayed.Is it possible that Israel, through Yakobshvili, gave the go-ahead to attack South Ossetia without US consent?This from Haaretz.



we're fending off Russia

By Haaretz Service

Tags: Georgia, Russia, Jewish World

Jewish Georgian Minister Temur Yakobshvili on Sunday praised the Israel Defense Forces for its role in training Georgian troops and said Israel should be proud of its military might, in an interview with Army Radio.

"Israel should be proud of its military which trained Georgian soldiers," Yakobashvili told Army Radio in Hebrew, referring to a private Israeli group Georgia had hired.

Yakobashvili, Georgia's minister of reintegration, added that this training provided Georgia with the know-how needed to defend itself against Russian forces in the clashes which erupted last last week in the separatist region of South Ossetia.
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Yakobashvili said that a small group of Georgian soldiers had able to wipe out an entire Russian military division due to this training.

"We killed 60 Russian soldiers just yesterday," said Yakobashvili. "The Russians have lost more than 50 tanks, and we have shot down 11 of their planes. They have enormous damage in terms of manpower,"

Yakobashvili warned that the Russians would try and open another battlefront in Abkhazia and he denied reports that the Georgian army was retreating. "The Georgian forces are not retreating. We move our military according to security needs."

"There was no attack on the airport in Tbilisi. It was a factory that produces combat airplanes," said Yakobashvili referring to the attacks in the country's capital.

"The whole world is starting to understand that what is happening here will determine the future of this region, the future price of crude oil, the future of central Asia, and the future of NATO," the Georgian minister added.

According to him, "every bomb that falls over our heads is an attack on democracy, on the European Union and on America."

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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1010187.html

[Nordic]

8bit, how could you possibly think that getting the truth out about who started the fighting is "backing Russia?"

It's not.

It's just telling the truth.

Calling "bullshit" on the lies of the corporate media in no way means that we support Russia.

That's just kind of silly and I'm really surprised to hear that from you.

Tell me I misunderstood.

Russia is a total bad-ass. Putin is like Bush with brains. Like Cheney with balls. He's a scary motherfucker.

But the fact remains that the Georgian government started this, and the U.S. told them to. The U.S. probably told them the date, as well -- being so good at media distraction and manipulation in our own country.

Russia responded EXACTLY LIKE Bushco knew they would!

Why?

So they could have another "war" on their hands with a convenient "bad guy" so that their "war hero" candidate could get a psychological foothold in the race.

It's kind of a "win win" as far as Russian and the U.S. goes. Russia gets to throw its weight around in a serious, scary way, and the U.S. gets to throw its "war candidate" into a crisis against a "bad guy".

There really are no innocent parties here except the people who got killed and wounded and lost their homes and possessions.

[Nordic]

And Hugh, I know you're insane, but sometimes you do notice the more obvious propaganda hammering you in the face --

The Red Dawn movie, and remake. Classic.

Right up there with Joel Surnow's "24".

[smiths]

it should also be noted that within hours of the geoergian attack, russia called an emergency meeting of the UN security council to call and all round ceasefire which the security council blocked - so why?

how was the georgian incident played inside the us by the two candidates?

and what were the results,

and by the way the media line in australia was russian aggression, russian attack on georgia

[8bitagent]

OK, first: please present unequivocal evidence that Russia was behind the apartment bombings that helped start the 1st Chechen war.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/c ... 043002.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_ap ... nvolvement

I highly recommend the excellent award winning documentary
"Disbelief":
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... =disbelief

and "Assassination of Russia"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... +of+russia

When you have actual FSB agents caught trying to blow up a fourth building, who match the description of the previous bombers; with the explosives matching, and high level FSB and government agents coming forth to say it was a staged op. And then you have Chechen commanders saying they didn't order it, and you see how the whole thing was used by the government to take away civil liberties and launch a brutal war...
a war which killed upwards of 200,000 Chechen...yes, I believe there is prima facie evidence that the Russian government is corrupt.
There's also a lot of evidence that FSB provocatuers were behind
the Opera House Siege and Beslan. Hell look how many journalists have been killed for trying to expose this stuff

In conspiracy culture we're presented this "either or" paradigm.
I see a lot of people apologizing for say China. Well just because
war makers envision a war against Russia and China, doesn't mean either are good guys. China is clearly involved in the genocide going on in Darfur
as well as countless other crimes against humanity.

OF COURSE the elites have done all they can to destabilize Russia over the years...Russia is just another chess pawn, much like the US or any other Westernized country.

[8bitagent]

8bit, how could you possibly think that getting the truth out about who started the fighting is "backing Russia?"

It's not.

It's just telling the truth.

Calling "bullshit" on the lies of the corporate media in no way means that we support Russia.

That's just kind of silly and I'm really surprised to hear that from you.

Tell me I misunderstood.

Russia is a total bad-ass. Putin is like Bush with brains. Like Cheney with balls. He's a scary motherfucker.

But the fact remains that the Georgian government started this, and the U.S. told them to. The U.S. probably told them the date, as well -- being so good at media distraction and manipulation in our own country.

Russia responded EXACTLY LIKE Bushco knew they would!

Why?

So they could have another "war" on their hands with a convenient "bad guy" so that their "war hero" candidate could get a psychological foothold in the race.

It's kind of a "win win" as far as Russian and the U.S. goes. Russia gets to throw its weight around in a serious, scary way, and the U.S. gets to throw its "war candidate" into a crisis against a "bad guy".

There really are no innocent parties here except the people who got killed and wounded and lost their homes and possessions.

I could not have said it better!

In my view, the elites are able to manipulate any country, pitting country against country. That's how I view WW2.

You nailed it on the head with the above post.

[SonOfKitty]

how was the georgian incident played inside the us by the two candidates?

This "incident" is not playing well for either canidate. Mcinsane was on TV saying "we are all Georgians now" echoing some theme that I can't remember right now. Anyway, it went over like a lead fart.The MSM seems confused and caught off guard. I don't think our crime family puppet was in the loop either. I imagine his drunk thoughts in Bejing.."sheeet everytime i'm tryin to have a good time sompin happens".

Maybe Dick Cheney pulled this off, signalling the Ziocons in Israel to give the green light to Georgia. Or, also possible, the Ziocons in Israel gave the go-ahead without US consent.The Zionist connections to Georgia are deep and troubling and pitting the US against Russia is the worst case senario for Israel, not a bad outcome from a Ziocon point of view but Russia will recognise the role of Israel and who knows what the reprocussions will be.

I just don't see this incdent as being beneficial to the presidential race of either canidate. That idea is a real stretch of the imagination.

[erosoplier]

Maybe the NWO crowd have given up, at the eleventh hour, on the idea of invading us with aliens (silly idea if you ask me), and we're going back to some good old-fashioned Cold War tension to keep us all entertained/transfixed?

[Penguin]

OK, first: please present unequivocal evidence that Russia was behind the apartment bombings that helped start the 1st Chechen war.

Ive also looked into this, already years ago, right after the bombings happened, and I am 110% certain it was FSB, under Putins orders, who did the bombings. There was plenty of evidence, strong evidence.

The FSB agents who placed the bombs, got caught by police while planting explosives. When they got caught, with same explosive that was used in the previous blasts, they claimed they were just testing the police reaction - if they would find the explosives I mean, right! And they matched the description etc... And immediately, Putin blamed chechens (who always said they didnt do it) and started a war, that got Putins popularity thru the roof, and he was elected president. Simple.

So its very important to remember: There is no good guy on either side here. Both are fucking gangsters, playing the same empire game. Even thou right now it really was US/Nato block that was really giving the finger to the eastern mafia.

[8bitagent]

Ive also looked into this, already years ago, right after the bombings happened, and I am 110% certain it was FSB, under Putins orders, who did the bombings. There was plenty of evidence, strong evidence.

The FSB agents who placed the bombs, got caught by police while planting explosives. When they got caught, with same explosive that was used in the previous blasts, they claimed they were just testing the police reaction - if they would find the explosives I mean, right! And they matched the description etc... And immediately, Putin blamed chechens (who always said they didnt do it) and started a war, that got Putins popularity thru the roof, and he was elected president. Simple.

So its very important to remember: There is no good guy on either side here. Both are fucking gangsters, playing the same empire game. Even thou right now it really was US/Nato block that was really giving the finger to the eastern mafia.

Oh absolutely. With 9/11, there's lots of pseudo circumstantial, inuendo,
ect to say "the US government had a hand or did 9/11". Listening to Alex Jones, you'd think "it's already proven the Bush regime did 9/11"(Tho I don't particularly subscribe to that)

With the 9-99 attacks in Russia, it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in my view.

Now here's the irony...

Under President Putin, Russian citizens in Chechnya have suffered crimes against humanity at the hands of Russian military forces. It was during Mr. Putins tenure as Prime Minister in 1999 that he launched the Second Chechen War following the Moscow apartment bombings. There remain credible allegations that Russia's FSB had a hand in carrying out these attacks. Mr. Putin ascended to the presidency in 2000 by pointing a finger at the Chechens for committing these crimes, launching a new military campaign in Chechnya, and riding a frenzy of public anger into office. Since then, between 10 and 20 thousand Chechen civilians have been killed and hundreds of thousands displaced by Russian security forces. At Putin's direction, the Kremlin recently stage-managed an "election" in Chechnya that put Moscow's hand-picked candidate in power. The principal voters were Russian conscripts forced to serve in Chechnya. Moscow has made no effort to address the political grievances of a population increasingly radicalized by the brutality of Russian rule. Yes, there are Chechen terrorists, but there are many Chechens who took up arms only after the atrocities committed by Russian forces serving first under Boris Yeltsin's and then Putin's orders.

John Mccain
-November 3rd, 2003 on the Senate Floor
http://www.friendsofmccain.com/news/dspnews.cfm?id=81

He goes onto talking about staged elections in Russia, FSB taking out hits on journalists, and waging widespread bloodthirsty imperialism.

Yet...he wrote the foreword to Popular Mechanic's "Debunking 9/11 Theories" book, and said on Jay Leno how he can't believe people not believing the official 9/11 story.

Well it's funny, Putin accuses the Russian government of blowing up their own buildings and stealing the election in order to deride civil liberties and invade countries.

...Hmmm, he almost sounds like Alex Jones here:)
(for the record, I agree 100% with Mccain on this issue)

Just weird hearing a Presidential candidate spinning "conspiracy theories",
even weirder is how his top adviser is deeply in bed with the US backed Georgian government and oil interests. (Ok, not so weird at all)

[elfismiles]

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