Epidemic Of 'Mind Control Murders' Plagues U.S.A.

[FourthBase]

I don't know why, but I often forget how documented the government's research into and practice of mind control is. There really were CIA doctors who successfully hypnotized people (including minors) and turned them into Manchurian-types. And that was, like, 4 or 5 fucking decades ago. I often forget, but then I do some googling, and there are the declassified memos, and there are the old newspaper interviews with ghouls like Estabrooks.

[8bitagent]

I don't know why, but I often forget how documented the government's research into and practice of mind control is. There really were CIA doctors who successfully hypnotized people (including minors) and turned them into Manchurian-types. And that was, like, 4 or 5 fucking decades ago. I often forget, but then I do some googling, and there are the declassified memos, and there are the old newspaper interviews with ghouls like Estabrooks.

There's some good MK Ultra documentaries online. One of them shows black and white footage of CIA army doctors with a woman on a table, a portion of her skull removed...and they are prodding her brain with electrodes to make her laugh or cry. Its sick crap. And look at how the MK Ultra used those Canadian children in twisted experiments.

Most people now just laugh off MK Ultra as a conspiracy or some small little mistake of the past.

[Project Willow]

http://extreme-abuse-survey.net/survey.php?en=d

Documentation that torture-based, government-sponsored mind control (GMC) experimentation was conducted on children during the Cold War.

Data from two international surveys that give voice, visibility, and validation to survivors of these crimes against humanity.

257 survivors from at least 15 countries reported that secret GMC experiments were performed on them as children.

United States 185
Canada 25
Germany 10
United Kingdom 4
New Zealand 1
South Africa 2
Unnamed Country 16
Sweden 1
Australia 4
Israel 2
Netherlands 2
Italy 1
Kyrgstan 1
Switzerland 1
France 1
Spain 1

P-EAS: 71 professional helpers from at least 6 countries have worked with survivors who have reported GMC experimentation.

The EAS and P-EAS were developed and conducted in English and German by:
Thorsten Becker Social Worker and Researcher, Germany
Wanda Karriker, PhD Psychologist and Researcher, USA
Bettina Overcamp, PhD Psychologist and Researcher, Germany
Carol Rutz Mind Control Survivor & Researcher, USA

[AhabsOtherLeg]

I don't know why, but I often forget how documented the government's research into and practice of mind control is. There really were CIA doctors who successfully hypnotized people (including minors) and turned them into Manchurian-types. And that was, like, 4 or 5 fucking decades ago. I often forget, but then I do some googling, and there are the declassified memos, and there are the old newspaper interviews with ghouls like Estabrooks.

I know you weren't addressing that to me, but I want to make it clear that I wasn't talking about MK-Ultra or related programs. I know they are heavily documented - and self-confessed by the perpetrators, to an extent - which is why I believe those programs were real, and are no doubt still ongoing in other forms.

But Malachi Martin's book is about demonic possession. And even though I believe in that, as a possibility at least, I find the book itself unconvincing. Exorcism is a hidden thing, and occurs more commonly than people might realise, but if someone dies in the course of it, it tends to get reported.

That's my main reservation with the exorcisms in that book. The same reservations don't apply to MK Ultra, Delta, etc. where if someone dies it tends not to get reported till a few decades later (and even then with redactions).

[FourthBase]

Right, I know you were responding to this:

Most of these are demonic attacks. Demons. Eternal evil angels. They're always roaming to cause destruction, and rarely they can take over weak human minds by hypnotism and persuasion. Read, for example, the Gospels of Matthew and Mark, and Hostage to the Devil by Malachi Martin. This is the best explanation, and the most prudent.

The most prudent explanation, naturally. Sounds more like Twin Peaks than anything in the gospels. (Then again, most here including me probably find Twin Peaks more credible than the gospels.)

To play "devil's advocate" however, I can easily imagine scenarios where exorcisms gone fatally wrong get disguised or swept under a rug forever by hardcore Catholic families.

[8bitagent]

I think the world leaders need an exorcism...to me Bush, Blair, ect are more than just puppets for oil and corporate warfare barons.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

To play "devil's advocate" however, I can easily imagine scenarios where exorcisms gone fatally wrong get disguised or swept under a rug forever by hardcore Catholic families.

No doubt it has happened. The exorcisms which went fatally wrong and that are now common knowledge - Anneleise Michel in Germany, and Maricia Cornici in Romania being the most appalling, to my mind - are probably the tip of yet another iceberg that the Church will choose to sail itself full-force into. But to be fair, Catholics don't have a monopoly on exorcism - or exorcism deaths. We don't have a monopoly on demonic possession either. It's always been a deregulated industry.

And don't slag the Gospels! They're all good. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John virtually invented the idea of having multiple contradictory narratives from different characters' viewpoints collated all in one place - they invented internet message boards! Respect is due. Hehehe.

I think they're a decent read, too.

8bit, I agree with you, in a way.

I think the world leaders need an exorcism...to me Bush, Blair, ect are more than just puppets for oil and corporate warfare barons.


This is why I think most exorcisms are silly. Would the devil really waste time making a room in a suburban home go suddenly cold and smelly? Would he spend several months forcing a single person (usually a teenager) to recite inventive blasphemies in Aramaic? Would he even make a single person, however vulnerable, commit a murder, however bizarre? What use would that be to him?

No one ever said he was stupid.

If real demonic forces exist, particularly ones directed by a Devil-himself, I don't think they'll be mucking around with the little people much. Although their aims, and their timescale, might be a bit beyond my thinking.

Um, back on topic, sorry: mind control murders? I don't know. It's dangerous territory, because every killer is going to have an excuse - and if you take a statement like "I dunno... something just came over me. I don't know what happened" as evidence of mindcontrol or possession then these guys are going to be laughing at you from the psych wards - which, as bad as they are, are in many ways better than an actual jail.

At least there are no psychopaths in the psych wards - unless you're unlucky with the doctors.

[Eldritch]

When a lone nutjob murders an individual—even a whole collection of individuals—because he listens to "voices" that tell him to do it, some people claim a demon inspired it.

When a whole group of nutjobs murder a whole country full of people because they listen to the "voices" of their president and commanding officers, some people claim that "God" inspired "honor" in these "heroes" to murder for the sake of our "freedom."

I'm not sure which of the following is more frightening: the lone nutjobs, the organized ones, the nutjobs who manage all of the organizing, or those who are so delusional to think even for a second that killing other humans—based upon little more than one group of men listening to other men's "voices" telling them to do it!—is "heroic" or "honorable" or has anything whatsoever to do with "God."

It all sounds demonic to me. And totally nuts.

[FourthBase]

And don't slag the Gospels! They're all good. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John virtually invented the idea of having multiple contradictory narratives from different characters' viewpoints collated all in one place - they invented internet message boards! Respect is due. Hehehe.

I think they're a decent read, too.

Totally, the gospels are very enjoyable to read, thought-provoking even -- that manic Jesus character is a trip! What I meant was more of a credit to Lynch than a diss of the gospels.

[Pele'sDaughter]

Here's another strange one but may be attributed to the perp being on crack.

LAKE HAMILTON, Fla. -- A Florida man was arrested after allegedly going on a violent rampage after a minor fender-bender, slashing and stabbing the occupants of a car, then running over and killing a woman who had been riding in another nearby vehicle.

Casey Weldon Till, 26, of Haines City, faces murder and carjacking charges after the attacks involving family members traveling in two vehicles.

The Polk County Sheriff's Office tracked Till to his home through a pill bottle left at the scene late Sunday night. Police allege that he killed Odalis Cespedes, 41, by running her over twice. Till told police he was high on crack at the time.

The violence apparently unfolded after Till's minivan slammed into a stopped car being driven by Cespedes' daughter, 19-year-old Ivon Despaigne, and her boyfriend, 21-year-old Angel Gonzalez, of Kissimmee. When the couple got out to check the damage, Till allegedly slashed Gonzalez's throat and stabbed Despaigne in the neck.

Investigators say Till then got into the couple's car and repeatedly rammed the vehicle ahead, occupied by Cespedes, her husband, 41-year-old Mario Despaigne, and their 6-month-old granddaughter.

The couple got their granddaughter out of the car seat and Cespedes was trying to flee with the baby in her arms when she was killed, Mario Despaigne said in an interview with The Ledger, which was conducted through an interpreter.

Mario Despaigne said Till drove over his wife's leg, then ran over her again after seeing she was still moving. Despaigne said he grabbed the baby. Then Gonzalez got into Till's van and hit him, then tried to back over him, but Till rolled out of the way, according to the arrest report.

Till then allegedly ran back to his van, ignoring commands to stop from a Lake Hamilton police officer who happened upon the scene. Till sped off, hitting officer David Hurst in the arm and midsection with the van's open door.

Till had locked himself in his bathroom and cut his wrists by the time investigators found him, the report said. He allegedly admitted the attacks to his wife and mother.

The police report listed Gonzalez and Ivon Despaigne in critical condition, but a local hospital would not provide information about their condition Tuesday.

Till was being held Tuesday in the Polk County Jail on charges of murder, attempted murder, aggravated battery on a law enforcement officer, carjacking and improper exhibition of a weapon. It was not immediately known if Till had an attorney.

http://tinyurl.com/5wj47j

[brainpanhandler]

Accused killer: Mystery doctor made me do it
William Davis charged with murder in death of Fabiana Malave
Published On: Apr 30 2012 12:46:34 PM EDT


SANFORD, Fla. - The man accused of kidnapping, raping and murdering a Seminole County teenager now says a mysterious man made him do it.

In court Monday, defense attorneys for William Davis played a recorded conversation between Davis and Seminole County deputies.

In that conversation, Davis says he was in Baldwin Park when a "Dr. Paul" approached him and said that he had to kidnap someone and take the person to his house or "Dr. Paul" would somehow harm Davis' girlfriend and her child.

Davis said after being threatened by "Dr. Paul," he kidnapped Fabiana Malave and took her to his Pine Hill home, where "Dr. Paul" watched him sexually assault the 19-year-old.

During the recorded conversation, Davis also says that "Dr. Paul" told him to kill Malave, but he couldn't. When Davis left his bedroom to throw up, he returned to find that "Dr. Paul" had killed Malave, he said.

Defense attorneys for Davis are trying to build a temporary insanity defense. His attorneys say he wasn't talking his medication when he attacked Malave.



http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Accuse ... 591fgyz/-/

quote from video at link:

Davis: "and he said that in order to pass phase 2, i had to kill her."