The Synchronicity Thread

[8bitagent]

doesn't it already have money?

going well, all things considered. elections are over now, so this place isn't a frothing madhouse.

Which didnt make sense. Nor did it make sense to see such insane holy war endless post hype on other political forms.

It should have been crystal clear(as I was saying even in 2006) that it was Obama all along. All this "it could be Hillary", then "it's gonna be Mccain" talk was just sad.

seems sort of subdued at present while everyone plans their next four years.

That is, til the shit hits the fan as the pundits tell us(massive new crisis to test obama, financial collapse, ect)

in other news, er, what about all them 8's this year? Even Barack is sort of an 8.

8 8 8! (olympic start, and 1500 dead South Ossetians)

[8bitagent]

As Scooby would say, "R'uh R'oh!"

Former psychosynthesis psychotherapist and founder of Sirius Astrological Services, the insightful and creative Philip Levine wrote me that he sees "that this month of December 2008 is anything but quiet. It would appear the gods and goddesses are in conflict this month and that we can expect a higher degree [than normal] of hostility, conflict, struggle, and tension."

Levine points to the details of his prediction on his site, here.

One of the items he pinpoints for this "tough month" is the Full Moon on December 12th, 2008, at 11:38 AM EST/ 8:38 AM PST. For anyone that has been watching the sky, you have visibly seen what is occurring.

The Full Moon intensifies the Saturn-Uranus opposition as the Sun and Mars square Saturn and Uranus for a Mutable Grand Cross.

Other sites are talking about what is upcoming, as well. In 2008, the moon's closest perigee occurs on December 12 and coincides with a powerful Full Moon. At 9:48 p.m. Universal Time on December 12, 2008, the moon will be closer to Earth than it’s been in the last 15 years. It is the nearest and largest full moon since March 1993.

It signals "red-alert” dates, which cluster around very high tides (perigean-spring tides) that peak 1–2 days after this Full Moon when the Moon is in its perigee. When a Full Moon coincides with perigee, the Sun, Earth and Moon make a line in space, and the tidal forces are intensified.

During such events, it has been shown that this is a scientifically verified time of coastal flooding, strong storms (like a Nor'eastern in New England USA), and earthquakes any place around the globe.

It might be time to prepare for something big that is going to happen, in terms of human behavior or geodynamically. Clearly, tidal influences do have an impact on humans, so do not neglect this warning of "tough times" coming between December 12-18, in merely a few days.

http://the-daily-behemoth.blogspot.com/ ... edral.html

[Sounder]

I consider synchronicities to be attempts by the unconscious ground of being to initiate conversation with the conscious mind, through the highlighting of elements of our sub-conscious catalogue of experience. Unfortunately the conscious mind with its misplaced self-regard does not converse well with something so ephemeral.


Of course I may be full of shit, but that is how it works for me.

[justdrew]

I dunno if Benford's law "disproves" synchronicity tho...

yeah, it doesn't 'disprove' anything, I'm thinking what it points to is that there could be something of some sort going on. Benford's Law speaks on initial digits, (I don't know enough deep statistics to really follow Hill's proof) but we can assume that there may be other laws operative that we don't know about. For instance: on the set of numbers appearing in news reports and entertainment scripts. It might be interesting to trawl all lexis/nexis google news stories, etc. for numbers and do the stat tests. Surely some numbers are going to be a lot more common than others, 2008 has been showing up a lot lately, and I'm starting to see more and more 2009s, and other numbers rarely, I doubt we'd see many references to 13579.

The other thing to bear in mind is that in any sequence of "random" numbers, there is going to be times when the numbers fail to 'appear' random to us. For instance, somewhere out past the billionth digit of pi there's a sequence where you get 12 7s in a row. Eventually we'll get a lotto number that's all the same digit (who knows maybe it has been several times some-where/when).

Of course, NOTHING is actually random. True, some things may be pre-determined by so many previous conditions and so complex as to defy our ability to perfectly predict or even simulate, but ultimately, randomness is a human concept of convenience for dealing with situations too complex to accurately model in detail.

Anytime you're looking at data and trying to come up with a "norm" you have to remember, the average is constantly changing and at any moment a divergence from norm like the 12 7s could start up. So the norm you developed could prove to have been taken during a period of divergence from another norm you hadn't witnessed. Time for a new norm. Still, all kinds of statistical techniques work well when applied to specific aspects of specific domains.

So my feeling is forget about trying to find signal in the noise unless one wants to get into heavy duty lifting in statistics. Anyway, just statistics won't convince most anyone on much of anything.

So what's meant to be arranging these numerical 'syncromysticies' ?
1. Some god-like intervention in the whole cosmos to set these things up?
2. Hidden powers-that-be using them for social control or coded messaging to one another?
3. Personal selection bias or other psychological explanation?
4. ?

It's an old matter, and eventually has come around to guessing tomorrows lotto numbers. (They're hidden in the newspaper of the day before, look at the final digits of the world temperatures listing :)
In Itally there's a tradition known as La Smorfia Napoletana that is a numeric/symbol system for predicting the next winning numbers, and used by some for other things as well. Not well documented on the web in English.

Now enjoy some of the great Bob Dorough: Three is a magic number...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11N-BD1aBo0

now for some reason this came up while writing this and demands inclusion, why? Well, I don't know, but it's got numbers in it anyway... time for some hand clapping or jump rope:
Sing a song of sixpence a pocket full of rye,
Four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie.
When the pie was opened the birds began to sing,
Oh wasn't that a lovely dish to set before the king?

The king was in his counting house counting out his money,
The queen was in the parlour eating bread and honey
The maid was in the garden hanging out the clothes,
When down came a blackbird and pecked off her nose!

check out the Cattanooga Cats version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcotJgEHUUE

holy shit the Cattanooga Cats are amazing! check this one out for sure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-MkNy2Ii2A

I ask... who doesn't like bubblegum?

[Joe Hillshoist]

yeah, it doesn't 'disprove' anything, I'm thinking what it points to is that there could be something of some sort going on.

Something of some sort ... yeah definitely. Ditto on the other laws too. One of the refs in that link you provided contained a link to a paper on Benfords law, Zipfs law something else, and zipfs law appears to be one of those "other laws", or a different reading of benfords...

Thats what I was getting at with the mathematical savant thing. Have you read Crypptonomicon, by Neal Stephenson? I was thinking of 11:11 synchronicities recognising the principle benford is getting at being similar to the way some of the characters in that book recognise prime numbers.

You notice a predominance of 1.11s or 11.11s or 1.01s as people used to claim back in the 80s/90s, (that was the first one I heard, 1.01 was the signal, not 11.11), and know there's a pattern there, just not what it means. Someone comes along with a narrative that pushes your buttons and you agree that must be the explanation for the pattern, then someone else comes along and says no its actually this, and that definitely doesn't push your buttons, and from then on in its Holy War till the sky falls.

I mean someone comes along and says that means you are special, you go "Obviously" and procede to agree with everything they say. You have noticed a pattern or the echo of one, and attatch meaning to it.

It may be the wrong meaning but the process is one that humans are designed to do.

Of course, NOTHING is actually random. True, some things may be pre-determined by so many previous conditions and so complex as to defy our ability to perfectly predict or even simulate, but ultimately, randomness is a human concept of convenience for dealing with situations too complex to accurately model in detail.

Yeah exactly. (And on that level there's probably no such thing as "free will" either. Tho there might be.) Stephenson's novel touched on that concept, the way information can be deciphered to reveal hidden patterns in deliberately random noise. And the godel like loop that creates drives some of the novel.

[brainpanhandler]

shooting stars don't last long enough.

The Marsden meteorite

[Bruce Dazzling]

I consider synchronicities to be attempts by the unconscious ground of being to initiate conversation with the conscious mind, through the highlighting of elements of our sub-conscious catalogue of experience. Unfortunately the conscious mind with its misplaced self-regard does not converse well with something so ephemeral.


Of course I may be full of shit, but that is how it works for me.

That's sort of how I feel, Sounder. INCLUDING the possibility that I might be full of shit.

As I've gotten older and further away from my 16 years of formal (brainwashing) education, it's become more and more probable to me that there is indeed a collective unconscious that we all have an ability to tap into.

But what if this is an ability in the same way that vertical leap is an ability, or footspeed is an ability, or violin virtuosity, etc...

In other words, maybe some people are inherently better at it than others, and perhaps it's a skill that can be improved upon by practice, or at the very least, by at least *believing* in it to begin with.

How many of you have ever had a pet that seemingly always knew when a family member was about to arrive home, even in situations where it seemed impossible to know such a thing?

How do you explain a situation where a dog will be lounging on the floor for HOURS, and then suddenly gets up excitedly, and goes to the door two or three minutes before a family member arrives home?

It would be one thing if the person were walking home and those two minutes were spent walking down the street, only a few hundred yards away from the house. In that situation, it could be argued (I suppose) that the animal is smelling the returning family member. But what about when that family member is in a moving car for those two or three minutes, in traffic, among lots of other moving cars?

I've had two dogs and currently have one cat who've consistently shown this ability.

And what, exactly, is this ability?

I think it may be explained by the animal's ability to tap into the collective unconscious.

Or, as Sounder said, I may just be full of shit.

Oh, and thanks to for ninakat for starting this thread!

[Penguin]

I explain it by saying that the dog knows it telepathically. No biggie. It happens And if it comes naturally to the dog, what does it make us in comparison? Mmmm...

One just has to be careful to not set mental traps for oneself when you start to notice that the world is a little diferent than youve been taught. Always remember to laugh at yourself, or others will do it for you. Besides, the greatest fool is me, so who better to laugh at? Who was it that got hoodwinked again?

Ahhahahaha

Also: Buddha is a crock of dry shit.

[justdrew]

I explain it by saying that the dog knows it telepathically. No biggie. It happens And if it comes naturally to the dog, what does it make us in comparison? Mmmm...

Ahhahahaha

Also: Buddha is a crock of dry shit.

oh course you may get the laughing even if you do. ha ha ha @ penguin
really there is no crock of shit, dry or otherwise.

So - here's the synchronicity I've been thinking about lately:

When I was very young, shortly after the death of the man I thought at the time was my father, I was playing in my backyard sandbox... Normally I'd not be in it very long at a time, but one afternoon I spent hours in the sandbox, totally engrossed in what I was making and had to be pulled out by mom for dinner.
I was making in the sand a model of a part of a city on a ridge spur with a particular kind of institutional campus built on it. I was making all these little roads on the sides of the ridge, the buildings, imagining helicopters and driving cars on the roads, and myself working at this place as an adult. Lots of details. I was very engrossed in this. Well, thirty years later, I work at just such an institution, on a ridge. It's improbable that such a place would even be built in such geography, yet there it is, and there I am. It's also improbable that I would cross the country to end up in the right city. Aspects of my personal life that I'd imagined in the sandbox, have come entirely true as well.

There are other examples of this precognitive synchronicity, but I'm really not sure what to make of it. Doesn't work on demand.

penguin - by any chance would you be considered to have red hair?

[Penguin]

Red hair? Kind of but only a tiny bit - my beard has a very slight reddish tinge at spots. Someone remarked on it because otherwise my hair is dark.
My colours are green, blue and brown. Black as the night.

Couple more true life stories...

Once I had been on my very first hiking trip up far north. Its basically as pure wilderness as one can find these days, far up north, beyond the Arctic circle. I had hiked for a week there, slept in a tent under the northern lights and starlit sky, drank out of streams. I had increasingly vivid and lifelike dreams, that at the end of the week went lucid.

After I came back south from the trip, I dreamed of a dead squirrel, lying in the middle of grass. Im looking down at it. I had never seen a dead squirrel in my life before then. Next day I go for a long walk, and about halfway, I see two young boys with bicycles by the roadside, looking down at something in the long grass. They take off, and when Im on the spot, I go to the side and look down. I get a strong feeling in the body, and I realize Im looking at what I dreamed of the previous night - a dead squirrel lying in the midst of tall grass. I surmise about this for a moment and go on.

Once I dreamt of a relative having arrhythmia of the heart, and thinking of dying. In the dream, I feel lucid, and take my relatives hands in mine, and repeat "Dont be afraid, tonight is not your time to die. You will not die yet - it is not your time tonight. Do not be afraid." When I wake up, I relate the dream to my roommate, down to details about the room Id been in, and then call that relative. I hear that this had happened, down to every detail, this night. I tell my dream as well, and am frankly thanked for me being there to support. I am grateful for this beautiful thing to have happened to me, and that is why I tell it even though its very personal - I must share it to show the beauty of life to others.

Love, Pengu.

[JackRiddler]

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Damned if well into 2005 every time I looked at the clock it wasn't 9:11. This at least has subsided, and when it occasionally still happens I can laugh about it.

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[8bitagent]

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Damned if well into 2005 every time I looked at the clock it wasn't 9:11. This at least has subsided, and when it occasionally still happens I can laugh about it.

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I wonder if we will refer to the next big event by the Western acknowledgement of a date(month, then day, hence 9/11) *or* by the
name of the city thats effected. Probably the latter. No other American event is named for its date, other than 9/11.

Oklahoma City, Waco, World Trade Center bombing, Space Shuttle Challenger and Columbia, OJ verdict, Pearl Harbor, JFK assassination,
ect...all called by the actual thing effected. Somehow "9/11" or "9-11" was the name pushed by the ptb hours after it happened.

I think its obvious, that "911" as a fear inducing number was being pushed for a long time(hence the 9-1-1 emergency number)

[justdrew]

what about from a phonetic angle...

nine Juan Juan
nine won won
nine yuan yuan

it's certainly like a little chant or mantra when said that way.

I think I'll stick to using: "[the tragic events of] the 11th of September 2001" from now on.

[agitprop]

Speaking of RAW, here's a good one. For some reason I happened on Robert Anton Wilson, rabbits, and ufo's, online. Don't know what I was originally googling. Read his piece about how rabbits and hares seemed to pop up in ufo lore quite frequently. Didn't know this, but they could have popped up more frequently for him, as he was a big fan of the Pookah, (some Celtic invisible rabbit spirit). After reading it, I wondered how long it would take me to be sucked into the ufo, rabbit synchronicity vortex, myself. Not five seconds later I checked my email and the first message was from a friend about the ufo sighting over...ba ba boom...."O'Hare" airport. Of course O'hare translated from Irish, means "of the hare".

[JackRiddler]

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But Sept. 11 didn't happen in a city but involved two cities, a rural field, and four flights from three airports. When they say something awkward like, "the attacks in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania," you should see one reason why it was reduced to the date (other than the obviously memorable number that is also the emergency phone number).

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