Fox Network Dollhouse Show - Hip MKULTRA

[LilyPatToo]

Yup. That's what happens when some of the most influential psychologists/psychiatrists in the WORLD were MKULTRA spychiatrists--any diagnosis for survivors of systemized trauma is bound to have been skewed to deflect any possibility of attention/blame being focused upon the perps. And here we are decades later, still thrashing around in muddied waters, unable to see what lies below some patients' problems.

Friends who woke up much sooner than I did tell me stories of long years of incorrect diagnoses and inappropriate medication--usually for a delusional disorder, as you say above.

It all goes back to the question "What do you call a child who remembers your predation?" The answers: "Crazy, delusional or a liar."

My hope is that when people like me watch Summer Glau in one of those roles, they're obscurely comforted by the fact that the character not only survived, but appears to be functional--at least to an extent. The message I want to see is that no matter how egregious the damage inflicted, the human mind can adapt and survive. And sometimes even flourish.

LilyPat

[barracuda]

I don't see why so many here are finding this "interesting". I find it "fucking evil" and "willfully, humorlessly perverse", straight from the Dept. of Hide In Plain Sight.

And I agree, codes and messages are being sent; to and from who I cannot see.

The successfully portrayable stereotype of the mind-controlled assassin has changed considerably in the last 50 years, hasn't it. The stereotype has graduated from the asocial prick and Medal of Honor recipient Raymond Shaw, (portrayed here by Laurence Harvey, the Denzel characterization being so much less successful)

who is sent to kill the president-to-be with a high-powered sniper rifle (and is liberated from his possession by being ordered to kill himself) to River Tam, a sweet, highly sympathetic and vulnerable gamine 17 year-old ballerina. The new conception has aquired such acceptance that Summer Glau has essentially been typecast in the role as an uber-killing machine. In the oddly named Serenity, River's moment of ultimate self-realization and implied re-aquisition of personal control over her own actions comes when she makes the decision all on her own to slaughter an entire horde (the number is never clear, but the implication is in the neighborhood of three figures) of armed rabies-infected zombie cannibals with a viking axe during a hacking balletic blood gorge in a rather confined space that puts Lizzie Borden to shame and would likely bring a smile to the lips of Idi Amin. It's so liberating for her, and so graceful, and so weird, because throughout the picture the Reivers (the name given to the infected cannibal zombies, who apparently eat you while they rape you, man or woman) are seen as innocent victims of the state in the same way that River is, and yet the slaughter of these poor creatures is lauded as a heroic feat. The name of the zombies is strangely similar in form and sound to "River", accentuating the similarity between the two, as if she is killing herself somehow. Serenity indeed.

I didn't really mean to get so far into the Serenity thing, which I find quite disturbing overall, but to merely point out how the accepted portrait of the mind-controlled assassin has changed and to wonder out loud how this change reflects either something about how our society looks at its youth and young women as, say, dangerous fodder for the killing state, or how the notion of Monarch control has crept, or is being made to creep, into the popular vocabulary.

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,

courage to change the things I can,

and wisdom to know the difference.

[Fred Astaire]

The Beatles' White Album was originally named A Doll's House. Some think they were somehow being manipulated by the Tavistock Institute.

Given their interest in Crowlian magick, and association with Kenneth Anger, it wouldn't surprise me.

[Joe Hillshoist]

The Beatles' White Album was originally named A Doll's House. Some think they were somehow being manipulated by the Tavistock Institute.

Given their interest in Crowlian magick, and association with Kenneth Anger, it wouldn't surprise me.

WTF???



You lot must ahve heard what freud is reputed to have siad when questioned on his theories of sexuality - oedopiss wrecks and all that?

Words to the effect that its either invent those theories or the only other explanation is a massive epidemic of child abuse in Vienna, and that many of the perps were people he considered his friends.

[marmot]

nice, well written thoughts, barracuda.

[Fred Astaire]

http://www.earcandymag.com/beatles-adollshouse.htm

Is it so unlikely that the Beatles were ever manipulated for anything?

[marmot]

Welcome to the board, Fred Astaire.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Yeah but that whole Crowley/Anger = Tavistock thing seems highly spurious to me.

How would the idea's of Crowley, and Anger, suit that agenda?

I don't get that at all.

[jingofever]

The Beatles' White Album was originally named A Doll's House. Some think they were somehow being manipulated by the Tavistock Institute.

Given their interest in Crowlian magick, and association with Kenneth Anger, it wouldn't surprise me.

I know Crowley is on Sgt. Pepper but never heard of their interest in his "magick" nor have I heard of their association with Anger. The Tavistock theory, isn't that from LaRouche? Or did he say that the Queen wrote all of their songs?

[Joe Hillshoist]

And articles like this do nothing to convince me.

And all this "rock'n'roll" is satanic bullshit is just that, and racist.

Everyone knows rock'n'roll was created by black americans, as blues music evolved and electronic amplification became standard.

Ergo - Blacks are Satans children who created rock and roll to destroy decent god fearing white colonialist culture.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Modern electronic-rock music, inaugurated in the early 1960s, is, and always has been, a joint enterprise of British military intelligence and Satanic cults. On the one side, the Satanists control the major rock groups through drugs, sex, threats of violence, and even murder. On the otherside, publicity, tours, and recordings are financed by record companies connected to British military intelligence circles. Both sides are intimately entwined with the biggest business in the world, the international drug trade.

http://www.whale.to/b/satan_rock.html

The guy who wrote that is either the world most ignorant human, or working a psyop of his own.

[Joe Hillshoist]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=UAaShR-v2rA

[barracuda]

And all this "rock'n'roll" is satanic bullshit is just that, and racist.

Everyone knows rock'n'roll was created by black americans, as blues music evolved and electronic amplification became standard.

Ergo - Blacks are Satans children who created rock and roll to destroy decent god fearing white colonialist culture.

I generally agree with you about the african american roots of rock and roll, however there is some evidence that the devil had a considerable amount of influence in certain circles of rock music particulary exemplifed by Jerry Lee Lewis. Lewis' musical style includes a variety of borrowings indicative of exposure to the American vein of the Shaker religion, including his extensive use of nonsense glossalalia and the inspired case of the kickin' twitches which gave the Shakers their name and can also be seen in most of the early Lewis or Presley performances.

Regarding Satan, the story of The Killer's expulsion from the Southwestern Assemblies of God University is instructive. After playing his amalgamated religio-parodic style at a talent show one evening,

...the dean of the school called both Jerry and Pearry into his office to expel them both. Jerry then said that Pearry shouldn't be expelled because "he didn't know what I was going to do." Years later Pearry asked Jerry "Are you still playing the devil's music?" Jerry replied "Yes, I am. But you know it's strange, the same music that they kicked me out of school for is the same kind of music they play in their churches today. The difference is, I know I am playing for the devil and they don't."

This thread is now fully and completely off topic.

[Joe Hillshoist]

including his extensive use of nonsense glossalalia and the inspired case of the kickin' twitches which gave the Shakers their name and can also be seen in most of the early Lewis or Presley performances.

You can see that in their performances.

And with Presley (possibly Lewis haven't seen enough video's) its the twitching that generally starts the loudest squealing.

In fact there are probably a few singers that get a bit glossolaliac. Bono on the first U2 records for example. Tho there are heaps of others...

Thats not Satanic in itself, although glossolalia is a pretty important part of an Azathoth invocation. And bono is for sure. (Satanic that is).

This thread is now fully and completely off topic.

Yeah sorry about that.

[OP ED]

there is a topic?