NFL Orders Retreat From War Metaphors

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Re: Pittsburgh Won!!!!

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:29 am

marmot wrote:Yay Steelers!

Cheers, Hillshoist, Penguin. Cheers!


You know Joe, I still stand behind my imperialistic claim that someday American style football will be the numero uno world sport.

Men rage with energies---doesn't sports somehow defuse or at least channel and control some of our raging adrenaline? Isn't this perhaps one of the most significant social functions of 'smash-mouth' football types of sports---to sublimate our violent energies and to allow our war extinct to safely find its expression within the game?


Yeah and to transcend it. To turn those instincts into something else, instead of producing violence, they produce feats of physical skill that extend the limits of what being human is.

Like some of these:

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Postby barracuda » Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:31 am

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Probably the battle of Waterloo was won on the playing-fields of Eton, but the opening battles of all subsequent wars have been lost there. - George Orwell
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Re: defuse....NO.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:31 am

Joe Hillshoist wrote:
marmot wrote:Yay Steelers!

Cheers, Hillshoist, Penguin. Cheers!


You know Joe, I still stand behind my imperialistic claim that someday American style football will be the numero uno world sport.

Men rage with energies---doesn't sports somehow defuse or at least channel and control some of our raging adrenaline? Isn't this perhaps one of the most significant social functions of 'smash-mouth' football types of sports---to sublimate our violent energies and to allow our war extinct to safely find its expression within the game?


Yeah and to transcend it. To turn those instincts into something else, instead of producing violence, they produce feats of physical skill that extend the limits of what being human is.
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No. The neuroscience and social science shows us that visible aggression creates more of the same, not a reduction.

The 'relief valve' argument is not scientific. It is anecdotal.
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Re: defuse....NO.

Postby Nordic » Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:36 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:
No. The neuroscience and social science shows us that visible aggression creates more of the same, not a reduction.

The 'relief valve' argument is not scientific. It is anecdotal.


For whom? The players or the viewers?

I think for the viewers it's a great outlet for primitive male energies, a harmless substitute for warfare.

For the players, it seems to be a different deal. I saw a story somewhere a while back about NFL players who, after they retire, just lose it. They can't stand NOT being in that world anymore, and their energies get all fucked up and they end up going "rogue".
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:33 am

barracuda wrote:Probably the battle of Waterloo was won on the playing-fields of Eton, but the opening battles of all subsequent wars have been lost there. - George Orwell


Thats cos they played rugby, which, like american football, has to do ultimately witth holding a line. And breaking your opponents line.

That sort of thinking led to all sorts of problems in WW1 cos it shaped the battle. It was the metamantality of how battles were fought. Which is worth thinking about.

You could probably do all sorts of pointless military analysis based on football and end up sounding quite silly. But its probably still worth thinking about.
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Postby vanlose kid » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:25 pm

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Postby MinM » Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:44 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Right now there is an effort to settle the masses down and recharge their tolerance for US military plans. This is still 'recovery time' and 'Obama honeymoon' before the next bloody phase.

That's why there's this PR about demilitarizing the Super Bowl. Total BS.

Football has been used for military recruiting since even before the Vietnam War when it was first put on prime time television back in 1970 to condition American males with a clean entertaining model of competition based on military values and tactics and thus prevent them from turning into non-violent peace and justice types.

Ball players are also a farm team for CIA and Special Forces like Pat Tillman.

Ex-CIA whistleblower Ralph McGehee was one recruited by CIA and was amazed to see how many football players were at CIA's Camp Peary when he got there.
Read about that in his 1983 book, 'Deadly Deceits.'

So this high publicity gesture is merely of the moment, a fake strategic retreat, to keep us from correctly equating football with war since more of us are figuring out how televised sports are used to teach children power dominance on a clean level playing field of rules where 'the best man wins.'

With the history of owners like these guys:
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The NFL gets 'credit' for not being hypocritical in demonstrating their collective indifference to the JFK Assassination... :shrug:

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Postby Avalon » Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:53 pm

He's got his towel, and he's on the way to the Village People reunion show.

After he drops off the WTC debris in China where no-one can examine it.
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Postby Penguin » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:13 pm

I think football (the ball/foot one) is safe in its world domination,
since all you need to play is some space, some people, and a round ball. Even shoes arent strictly necessary...

And the rules are supposedly gentlemanly.
But hey, Ive seen a chess game in the park end up in a fist fight.
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Postby kelley » Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:10 pm

i guess the NFL is eschewing metaphor for brute literalism. general david petraeus was present at mid-field for the coin toss before the kickoff of the super bowl yesterday.
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Postby kissing blarney » Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:11 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:.

Remember the first Uber Bowl after 9/11? brrrr.


Surprise...Surprise....won by the Patriots. Led by All-American boy (not an All-American collegiately at Michigan, where he barely played) 7th round "draft" pick Tom Brady.

The story was just too good to be true.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:26 pm

vanlose kid wrote:
AF isn't football, sorry. it's HM's convicts pummeling each other for the daily loaf at the circus or something. but that's aussie culture i guess.


Are you serious? Don't buy that colonialist propaganda. Its the latest incarnation of a seiries of games played around Australia that these days are collectively referred to as Marn Grook.

It was also heavily influenced by Irish football, as the many Irish political and economic prisoners dumped in Australia liked playing their own game - the toffs preferred rugby, and as such its a unique game that reflects whats best about Australia, two downtrodden cultures, both with indigenous foot ball traditions over 500 years old(Marn Grook is probably the oldest football type game on earth - tho its unprovable as there are no written records,) coming together to create a game that requires more courage, endurance and brains than any other form of football and as much skill as any.

Funny how football reflects its culture US footy - Elitist militarism, brutal professionalism
Southern American and European footy - vibrant, passionate and full of ego,
Northern European footy, clinical and precise (well german footy anyway) and kind of innovate.
English - Dull, and always wondering why the world has left them behind.
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I hate sports...

Postby annie aronburg » Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:26 am

...but if it makes Mark E. Smith happy, how can I complain?
"O Oysters," said the Carpenter,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one.
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Re: I hate sports...

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:36 am

annie aronburg wrote:...but if it makes Mark E. Smith happy, how can I complain?


Note the pentagons from around 0:10-0:20.

First you get a few hexagons and circles to prime your brain to notice geometry. Then you get a stream of pentagons.

I've seen this exact same device used in Tom Hanks' movies like 'Turner and Hooch.'

Subliminal pentagons are ubiquitous in psyops. I've collected many examples.
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you're right on the cusp of woo there, buddy

Postby annie aronburg » Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:43 am

Subliminal pentagons are ubiquitous in psyops. I've collected many examples.


I advise you to use care around PLANT LIFE in that case, since it abounds with pentagons.
"O Oysters," said the Carpenter,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one.
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