LilyPatToo wrote:That was a thought-provoking post, elfsmiles. (I'd appreciate a definition of "noia gnosis" though, for non-gamer types like me)
elfismiles wrote:It is easy for me to believe that the synchronistic nature of information, the internet and a community of minds such as this at RI coupled with the witty nature of online discourse could weave together the synchromystic trappings necessary to ensnare most anyone in a cycle of noia gnosis that might convince them that there are such nefarious things going on here and various other communities.
I think others around here have said it better than I did there. My "noia gnosis" reference was more twist of phrase than gamer-terminology. I simply meant the paranoiac / metanoiac sense of perceived patterns. "Apophenia is the experience of seeing patterns or connections in random or meaningless data." But someone can also have skills in "Remote Association" and see genuine patterns in seemingly random data that noone else without the proper background would recognize. The synchromystic or Jungian approach to interpretation of the signs and meaningful coincidences in one's life can be perceived as more meaningful than they may really be and/or more threatening than they may really be.
LilyPatToo wrote:Since Dream's End inexplicably lashed out at me on his way out the door here, I've been trying to (belatedly) learn as much as I can about ARGs and about the labyrinthine tangle of personalities involved in whatever it was that was perpetrated upon him back then. And not simply to figure out how to clear myself of culpability, either. I too have run into some extremely toxic people in the online Fringe and I'd feel better--safer--if I could make some sense out of their attitudes and actions.
Yes, DE lashed out at a lot of people. It was not a character trait I liked in him. The only way I could understand it was his anger over his bailiwick: the dangers of alleged MK/SRA survivors and/or alien abductees being manipulated / diagnosed what have you, by other alleged MK/SRA survivors and/or alien abductees within a forum, via online chat etc., perhaps in ways that could lead someone to become more confused, unstable or ultimately suicidal - much in the way that he / others suggest TD/JB might've been. But I also recall DE having suspicions that user OneSmartRat might somehow have been a part of such shenanigans and he also suspected these kinds of cybergaslighting.
[url="http://conspiracytheory.tribe.net/thread/0771001e-1679-4c97-9541-73e2a2cffa1e#fcf08bdb-1c67-439f-a036-7bd0f0f85a72"]Ong's Hat / El Centro / Incunabula[/url]
I don't think its very easy to know who's who without a score-card and access to posters IP addresses.
LilyPatToo wrote:You said:
DreamsEnd believed that a group of such "game players" was behind certain online stalking and harassment of him and claimed RA/MK survivors and Alien Abductees.
Are you saying that he believed the stalking was BY them? (that they were behind it?)
That was one of the (probably many) things I missed hearing about back when he was imploding. I'm sorry that I did, since I'm a survivor of what appears to have been a succession of government-connected mind control programs and for many years I ignorantly blamed my missing time on "alien" abductions. So it might partly explain DE's sudden turning on me, personally.
I'm not sure which "them" we are talking about now ... one hypothesis was ARG game-players harassing survivors, perhaps trying to win by driving someone over the edge. But there were so many variations of possibilities in my mind (and DE's) that it's hard to articulate them all, especially after so much time has passed.
LilyPatToo wrote:Like JackRiddler, I wish there was some way of figuring out who the people gaming unwitting others really are and whether they're doing it for their own malignant narcissistic/sociopathic fun OR whether there are actual psy-ops types pulling their strings. Or both, I guess. But I do understand why, on a parapolitical board like this one, labeling people as "agents" is forbidden...it's just unfortunate that the policy serves to enable troublemakers.
As I've said before, the mods have a power I wish we all did - they can see folks IP addresses and that makes it a little easier to spot some sock-puppetry.
LilyPatToo wrote:My life experiences have left me with a violent allergy to all games and especially to manipulative people--tricksters--no matter what their excuse is for being less-than-honest about who they are and what they're doing. So I doubt if I'll ever be able to come to terms with ARGs, no matter how highly-principled the excuse for playing one happens to be. I get that most people seem to love to play games of all sorts, so they should be free to do so...as long as those of us who would prefer to abstain are able to do so.
But since there is no way to do that at present, it takes a real effort of will to control my own paranoia sometimes....
LilyPat
The people behind the New Age-y versions of this seem to have an amazingly detailed knowledge of what combination of buttons to push to get specific segments of the Fringe to react with excitement...probably because they installed the buttons in the first place.
