Some *real* search engine manipulation/hijacking

[Telexx]

Pan has been screaming obscenities at me for three years...

This statement is a gross generalisation, and a nasty little mischaracterisation as well.

Kthx,

Telexx

[brainpanhandler]

PLAY IT AGAIN, SAM. Because...no man is an...Ilsa.

But ya gotta admit that Ingrid Bergman was hot.

[elfismiles]

Wombaticus ... have you written about this anywhere or have links to anything as leads for investigating further?

I do this for a living, one reason I've always been more open to Hugh's claims: I know how much effort goes into ORM and building funnel sites, and it's not a stretch to assume people who do what I do (way better, faster and cleaner) work for gov.

With 0% exaggeration, these fake funnel pages are about 20% of the accessable internet right now. They will only get more sophisticated and harder to spot in the future.

[Wombaticus Rex]

No, but I would be happy to whip something up for a quality mammal such as yourself. What are your burning questions @ the moment?

[Penguin]

Also the domain squatters pages drive me crazy. Seems they've bought a mountain of expired domains or misspelled domains and filled them with bogus links to bogus pages. Drives up domain prices too Id suppose, especially if you have to buy from them.

Like this one (PLEASE dont click on any links on that page if youre on Windows especially, you never know what exploits these ones may host! A virtual machine is good for those kinds pages if you really need to klick)

http://saunabar. net/ (remove the space, its so it wont work by clicking)

That used to be a bar in my town, now its some placeholder squat page with no real value to anyone. Guess how many of those I got when trying to find out if the bar still exists. Populated with links related to sauna, health - and insurance, banking and whatnot.

Domain may be for sale

[elfismiles]

No, but I would be happy to whip something up for a quality mammal such as yourself. What are your burning questions @ the moment?

Oh you are too kind sir.

I think I can probably get some more ideas from your Brainsturbator Forums here:

Masters of Teh Internets
http://www.brainsturbator.com/forums/viewforum/10/

Gems like this:

20-25% of daily google searches are unique queries
http://www.brainsturbator.com/forums/viewthread/1233/

Pizza SEO: Meme Warfare and Weirdo Capitalism
http://www.brainsturbator.com/forums/viewthread/627/

Physorg Article About MMORPG Where Humans Interact With AI
http://www.brainsturbator.com/forums/viewthread/1157/

Like you said...

... it's not a stretch to assume people who do what I do (way better, faster and cleaner) work for gov.

[elfismiles]

But as WhipStitch pointed out ...

So how long would such a strategy as the OP documents actually be effective?

Because it doesn't seem to be anymore for this topic / issue / keyword search.

I put this into google...

Mayo Shattuck 911

and the very first link was...

Democratic Underground - Deutsche Bank / Mayo Shattuck III's early ...
How to make a buck off 9/11 + Marsh pre-9/11 inside trading, DrDebug, Jun-24-06 07:15 AM, #57. Deutsche Bank / Mayo Shattuck III's early retirement / CIA /
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... g_id=96532

[nathan28]

But as WhipStitch pointed out ...

So how long would such a strategy as the OP documents actually be effective?

Because it doesn't seem to be anymore for this topic / issue / keyword search.

I put this into google...

Mayo Shattuck 911

and the very first link was...

Democratic Underground - Deutsche Bank / Mayo Shattuck III's early ...
How to make a buck off 9/11 + Marsh pre-9/11 inside trading, DrDebug, Jun-24-06 07:15 AM, #57. Deutsche Bank / Mayo Shattuck III's early retirement / CIA /
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... g_id=96532

Well no SEO goons (no offense to SEOers intended) have the search algorithms (?) (they'd be something besides SEO goons if they did, like overpaid Google employees) so you can't get a total lockdown on it. But you can still build a bunch of crap funnelling stuff there. Most internet sites are blind alleys and loose dead ends to start.

[§ê¢rꆧ]

Yeah me too - no offense to the SEOers. I'm sure it can be done in such a way so as not to create too much noise, like actually placing valuable content in each tier of sites. There are some really awful SEO people that are spamming the nets though.

In Whipstich's example, though, the user would have to be searching specifically for Mayo Sattuck AND 911, and I doubt they targeted that combination.

[Wombaticus Rex]

The other factor is, for now, traffic and user behavior. People don't like spam sites and funnel sites -- they're boring, full of shit writing, and offer no clear information or purpose. So, they go to the meaty articles, or to forums with lots of activity, and as a result of those breadcrumbs, no matter how much money Mayo Shattuck III spends, he's still the same slimy motherfucker who "resigned" the day after a terrorist attack over insider trading. Unless dude wins a Nobel or starts dating a major actress (or actor) that will remain his sole claim to fame.

What's interesting, in this context, is his Wikipedia entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayo_A._Shattuck_III

Content-wise, still a very glowing assessment, and I'm sure RI readers are familiar with the multiple and very sketchy intel/corporate overlaps into Wikipedia's governing structure. Just the same, I appended a link to this document last week and it's still there.

The Internets are ultimately too big to manage. 5 major networks is easy. 500 cable channels is the same problem overlaid with more actors. The Internet, however, remains out of control on a fundamental level.

Thank Eris for that.

[elfismiles]

Speaking of fake websites, front companies and covert-ops:

"HOW SASHA COHEN PULLED OFF 'BRUNO'; 31 DIFFERENT FRONT COMPANIES... "

Sacha Baron Cohen's Cover-Up

Star erases fake web sites, still has dozens more front companies
MARCH 24--In the wake of the disclosure of how Sacha Baron Cohen uses front companies to trick Americans into appearing in his latest film, the comedian and his cohorts have deleted the web sites of purported production companies created for their latest cinematic ruse. However, records show that Cohen has more than two dozen other straw firms, all of which were created at the outset of production on the follow-up to the 2006 hit "Borat," which starred Cohen as a fictional Kazakh journalist (in his new Universal Pictures movie, Cohen appears as "Bruno," a gay Austrian fashion commentator). As TSG reported last week, Cohen & Co. set up four firms--Amesbury Chase Productions, Chromium Films, Cold Stream Productions, and Coral Blue Productions--and launched nearly identical web sites for the companies. In recent months, unwitting interview subjects have been asked to participate in a documentary for German television that was supposedly being prepared by a Los Angeles production company. To assure these rubes, Cohen's assistants have pointed to company web sites touting the firms's "world class facilities, and state-of-the art equipment." In fact, Cohen's companies exist on paper alone, and their shared address is a box at a Sunset Boulevard mailbox rental firm. Now, the four web sites--and several others subsequently discovered by TSG, like Longman Parke Productions--have been scrubbed of their content and left with blank pages (as seen above). The logos of the four companies are below, and screen grabs from the front pages of the now-erased sites are on the following pages. However, incorporation records show that at least 27 other Cohen front companies were created in mid-2007. So while he has recently been forced to shutter some of these phony firms, Cohen can always hide behind such fabricated entities as German Youth Television, Rheinland Films, Channel 1 Switzerland, and Swiss Entertainment Television. And then there's always Deutsches Unterhaltungsfernsehen, which roughly translates to "German Entertainment Television." (5 pages)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... runo1.html

[Wombaticus Rex]

Has this disappeared? I was going to bump it up so people could refresh on this material.

[Zap]

edit: seems to be back up now

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Yeah, I exposed 'Borat' as a spook cover for the US-UK oil deal with the dictator of Kazakhstan and the dangling trial of the CIA asset who passed on the $86 million bribe to him, James Giffen. The dictator visited the Bush compound, Tony Blair, and the former head of BAE went to work for Kazakhstan.

Not exactly a good military recruiting message for American youth.

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=9277
(edit: CIA+bribe trial+Clark/Perle+ Oil = BORAT!)

Speaking of fake websites, front companies and covert-ops:

"HOW SASHA COHEN PULLED OFF 'BRUNO'; 31 DIFFERENT FRONT COMPANIES... "

Sacha Baron Cohen's Cover-Up

Star erases fake web sites, still has dozens more front companies
MARCH 24--In the wake of the disclosure of how Sacha Baron Cohen uses front companies to trick Americans into appearing in his latest film, the comedian and his cohorts have deleted the web sites of purported production companies created for their latest cinematic ruse. However, records show that Cohen has more than two dozen other straw firms, all of which were created at the outset of production on the follow-up to the 2006 hit "Borat," which starred Cohen as a fictional Kazakh journalist (in his new Universal Pictures movie, Cohen appears as "Bruno," a gay Austrian fashion commentator). As TSG reported last week, Cohen & Co. set up four firms--Amesbury Chase Productions, Chromium Films, Cold Stream Productions, and Coral Blue Productions--and launched nearly identical web sites for the companies. In recent months, unwitting interview subjects have been asked to participate in a documentary for German television that was supposedly being prepared by a Los Angeles production company. To assure these rubes, Cohen's assistants have pointed to company web sites touting the firms's "world class facilities, and state-of-the art equipment." In fact, Cohen's companies exist on paper alone, and their shared address is a box at a Sunset Boulevard mailbox rental firm. Now, the four web sites--and several others subsequently discovered by TSG, like Longman Parke Productions--have been scrubbed of their content and left with blank pages (as seen above). The logos of the four companies are below, and screen grabs from the front pages of the now-erased sites are on the following pages. However, incorporation records show that at least 27 other Cohen front companies were created in mid-2007. So while he has recently been forced to shutter some of these phony firms, Cohen can always hide behind such fabricated entities as German Youth Television, Rheinland Films, Channel 1 Switzerland, and Swiss Entertainment Television. And then there's always Deutsches Unterhaltungsfernsehen, which roughly translates to "German Entertainment Television." (5 pages)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... runo1.html

[sergeant stiletto]

The devil doesn't care. Google plays both sides of this subversive game:

http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=115400

The Internet has a secret society. Anyone can join. It supports hidden messages. Those who want to belong need only download and install a special toolbar from Google that works in either Firefox or Microsoft Explorer (IE).

The toolbar, called Sidewiki, which launched in September, provides a venue for venting and posting derogatory comments on virtually any Web site that only those who install the toolbar can read. And although many realize that Google never intended that the toolbar be used for evil, some believe the Mountain View, Calif. company's innovation could create a nightmare for marketers and Web site owners if they choose not to download and install the tool.