Psi-verts & psychic piracy: Future of parapsychology?

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Postby barracuda » Fri May 08, 2009 1:12 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Ever heard of Charles Bonnet Syndrome? HALLUCINATIONS.

I have had the pleasure of experiencing this phenomenon since developing spinal meningitis as a 12 year old, and though I acknowledge the physiological basis of the hallucinations, I also believe quite stubbornly that these visions have meaning - mystical meaning as well as insights into the nature of the workings of the brain and consciousness' connection to its environment, whether accessing "latent omniscience" or not. Also, having spent an evening at Jeffrey Mishlove's home with a small group in the late 1970's, I think it is safe to say that his lifelong research into these aspects of existence is predicated upon formal training and the codification of discipline every bit as rigorous and thoughtfully examined as your own study of psyops would like to be, and is in no way something to be lightly dismissed, as if this would be possible in consideration of a Berkeley PhD. Not only that, but in retrospect, my impression is that he was very aware of the possible coopting of the surfaces of his field by intelligence agencies and popular media, and was even at that time fighting against this tendency in his struggle to create legitimacy around the study of parapsychology.
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Postby alwyn » Fri May 08, 2009 5:18 am

Just as an aside, I've been trained in both Gurdjieffian and Sufi schools. Psychic powers exist. I'm not really sure about the 'praying mantises' tho.

Although one Shaman told me that people can see those buggers because they believe in them, or expect them...which kind of demonstrates the principal of the observer acting upon the observed.

I will say, in Hugh's defense (not that he needs mine) that there is an incredible amount of bullshit out there masquerading as 'psi'.
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Postby alwyn » Fri May 08, 2009 5:44 am

When I first started working at the Renfaire, (the original one in Agoura, Ca) one of the psychics I worked with was working there on a cash basis. She had gone underground after running away from the CIA. She was one of their pet psychics for awhile. She didn't want to talk about it much. She stayed underground for a number of years. Kinda dovetails the two arguments running here, doesn't it? Although I know it's only 'hearsay'. Guess you had to be there. The woman was one of the best psychics I've know though. Bar none. And I've met some of the best.
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Postby LilyPatToo » Fri May 08, 2009 12:46 pm

Like alwyn, I like Hugh and always read his posts, from which I've learned a tremendous amount about psyops. But on the subject of whether psychic abilities exist or not, he's simply incorrect. OTOH, the way that the field has been (is being?) used by the intelligence agencies is likely to warp the view of anyone who studies psyops as deeply as Hugh does. There, they've so thoroughly muddied the waters that it would take generations to clear it again, assuming we ever crawl out from under their manipulation long enough to do so.

I too met a former intelligence agency psychic years ago here in the Bay Area and he was the real thing. He "read" a photo of one of my paintings that I handed him and told me detailed information about someone who'd had quite a bit of influence on the artwork's final form. He'd never met me before and certainly knew nothing about the artist friend who'd done extensive critiquing on that particular painting. But he not only described the guy physically, but he also saw us put the painting on the floor in a small cottage and walk around it, yelling at each other--surely a highly unusual, if not unique, critique method :wink: :D

And I was very psychic as a child and young adult myself, so I've seen first-hand how accurate psychically-derived information can be. I also have reason to believe that my abilities were either one of the reasons why I was selected for experimentation as a small child or that they (possibly) were the result of those experiments. I do know that the handler who shut down my abilities after testing them one last time in the mid- to late-70's was extremely interested in them and fully convinced of their genuineness.

Prior to that time, I was in a dream research program that studied precognition. The woman scientist who ran it told me that my accuracy rate was high enough to really skew her data, so she removed me from the program and studied me privately. I was told that all my data was forwarded to Dr. Thelma Moss, who I learned (just in the past few years) was working under an MKULTRA-connected professor.

While I realize that nothing I can tell you will convince a skeptic like Hugh, I know that if I was able to do these things for nearly 30 years, then others are doing them now. For real. No matter how many frauds pollute the field, psychic abilities are absolutely genuine and completely real. It was easy for me to document my own precognition all those years ago (with signed, dated witness statements) and I'm sure there are psychics today who are doing the same thing. The problems begin when they try to produce results on-demand in a laboratory setting. And the continuing exploitation of the field by intelligence agencies assures that we'll hear most about the fraudulent or self-deluded "professional psychics." Many of the most gifted ones are either practicing their talents in obscurity or are lab rats or working voluntarily for the Bad Guys.

But the abilities are absolutely real and verifiable, no matter how much disinformation is generated for the benefit of their exploiters.

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Postby Perelandra » Fri May 08, 2009 1:14 pm

Lets face it, 2012 or not, things are looking set to get quite a lot weirder in the coming years.

Interesting article, seems. I concur with alwyn and LilyPat, and also don't dismiss Hugh's claim entirely. Thanks to all.
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Igo Swann touches on SRI and the Alien Agenda in new book

Postby ultramegagenius » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:52 am

I know there's plenty on RI about SRI, but was there anything on Ingo Swann? it seems he's written a new book about his career and the hostile aliens, too:

Into Swann ET Secrets

Famed Remote Viewer Reveals Alien Secrets ingo1

Ingo Swann, a gifted natural consciousness researcher was one of the first and most influential members of the U.S. government’s super-secret remote viewing program. He reveals astonishing secrets about alien activity in his book called “Penetration: The Question of Extraterrestrial and Human Telepathy.” Swann helped develop the process of Remote Viewing at the Stanford Research Institute. He is commonly credited with proposing the idea of Coordinate Remote Viewing, a process in which viewers would view a location given nothing but its geographical coordinates, which was developed and tested by Harold Puthoff and Russell Targ with CIA funding. Swann says this group used to meet in an underground facility near Washington, D.C., but was so secretive that it left no paper trail. He says the only secrecy oaths he took were verbal and they have expired, so now he can reveal some of his official knowledge concerning UFOs and aliens.

Swann was part of CIA and Army agencies that were collecting intelligence on Soviet operations and UFOs. He was taken to a remote lake in Alaska where he witnessed a large triangular UFO at close range suck up the water from the lake. Swann was reportedly told that this kind of craft emerged from the Alaskan lake every day. Apparently we are an oasis in space where aliens refuel.

Swann’s main concern is the undeveloped nature of human telepathy and its contrast with “the probable existence of fully developed alien telepathy.” His book describes his experiences with an ultra secret government agency where he is asked to remote view the dark side of the Earth’s Moon. They observed mining and manufacturing operations are along with human looking extraterrestrials. An E.T. base on the dark side of the moon had extensive buildings, roads, and human forms digging. His book discusses lunar anomalies and government-military-science-media cover up of UFOs, lunar activity and psychic phenomena (telepathy, in particular). He also describes his experience with a female E.T. in a Los Angeles supermarket. A friend warns him that there are many extraterrestrials, that many are “bio-androids”, and that they are aware their only foes on earth are psychics.

Swann makes it very clear that our government is very much intimidated by these ETs. They are not friendly.” He concludes that extraterrestrials are living on earth in humanoid bodies. He also talks about the fact that DENIAL of the ETs is a patent fact. The question is WHY?


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Postby LilyPatToo » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:30 pm

The blogger says the article came from Filer's Files, which is a True Believer UFO/aliens news site and newsletter. My own impression is that Filer himself is a nice guy, a genuine True Believer, and not a *witting* shill for the intel creeps, but the effect is the same as if he were complicit. Juicy, reinforcing disinfo is promoted to the Believers, right along with sighting reports (a mix of wishful thinking, classified technology and real unknowns) and a bit of (heavily disinfo-corrupted) UFO history.

I find myself wishing I had more time right now, so that I could read that Swann book. I hope others here do and report on it. The remote viewers are an interesting bunch and I have a feeling that we can learn a lot about psyops management and possibly even about ESP from them. But it's the likelihood that mind control methods and technology were used on the human guinea pigs involved that fascinates me the most.

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Postby American Dream » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:55 pm

The spectre of the CIA and other such spooky forces looms large over this.

I've got to say that Jeffrey Mishlove, who barracuda knows and lightningBugout learned from is implicated in all of this. I consider him to be deeply associated with Arthur Young and SRI, amongst others in that network. Thelma Moss, who had connection to Lily Pat's psychic endeavors back I'm guessing when she was under active control, is definitely in that network, too.

So what is going on here? To what degree is psychic experimentation a cover for other mind (control) research? To what degree are reliable psychic applications being achieved by the spooks? To what degree is this something they would like, but haven't fully achieved as yet?

I would say that these are still open questions...

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