Air France flight missing over Atlantic

[RocketMan]

It has been noted by many experts that it would take a very complicated series of events (or, I guess, a very simple, very catastrophic single event) to account for how an airliner can simply disappear from sight of all the electronic thingamajigs that are monitoring air traffic, satellites included.

[rrapt]

Just because it hasn't been mentioned here yet...You've probably noticed some few discussions lately containing speculation that the Tiller murder and other headline grabbing stories like this one are popping up. Allegedly as a means of blanketing awareness of Cheneyco crimes, which would show up much more brightly in a news deadzone. Just sayin.

I don't necessarily endorse any opinion on this subject; it is hard to rationalise wiping out an airplane load of innocents as a distraction, but then this is a very serious game. We already know for a fact that the perps, whoever they are, are sociopaths at the very least, among other negative traits. Plus, as we see from Dickie's recent performances, desperation is looming large, so anything goes.

[Penguin]

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/06/0 ... ch365.html

Debris found floating in path of missing Air France jet

Search teams scanning the Atlantic Ocean found pieces of debris that may be part of the Air France plane that disappeared while flying from Brazil to Paris, military officials reported Tuesday.

The Airbus A330 was carrying 228 people when it vanished over the Atlantic Ocean after leaving Rio de Janeiro on Sunday night.

Searchers in planes spotted debris including an orange life-vest, a small white piece of metal and what is believed to be an airliner seat at about 1:30 a.m. local time (12:30 a.m. ET) Tuesday, Lt.-Col. Ricardo Dechen of the Brazilian air force told CBC News.

The debris was floating in two areas about 60 kilometres apart, said air force spokesman Col. Jorge Amaral.

Dechen said an apparent oil-like residue was also on top of the water in the general area, about 650 km northeast of the Archipelago of Fernando de Noronha, where the search was initially focused. The area is about 2,400 km northeast of Rio.
No life signs

There were no signs of any lifeboats, survivors or bodies.

The air force won't be able to confirm the debris belongs to the Air France jetliner until boats arrive in the area, Dechen said. Military officials had earlier stated that boats weren't expected to reach the site until Wednesday.
Brazilian search planes have spotted possible debris from Air France Flight 447 about 650 kilometres northeast of the Archipelago of Fernando de Noronha. (CBC)

Search efforts are being relocated to that general area, Dechen said, adding that food, water, inflatable boats and supplies are also being redirected to be air-dropped into the water in case survivors are found.

The pieces were found in the flight path of the plane and in vicinity of the last place the aircraft was heard from, Dechen said.

Amaral said the place where the debris was floating suggests the plane might have tried to turn back toward Brazil.

Snip ---

'Succession of extraordinary events'

The immense area of open ocean between northeastern Brazil and western Africa has depths reaching 4,570 metres. But the technology exists to retrieve any relevant parts from the bottom of the ocean if the plane is found, Cox said.

Officials believe that "there really had to be a succession of extraordinary events to be able to explain this situation," Borloo said.

Air France received an automatic message from Flight 447 signalling an electrical circuit malfunction about four hours into the flight, at 10 p.m. ET on Sunday. The message came shortly after the flight crossed "through a thunderous zone with strong turbulence," said Air France officials.

Some officials have speculated the plane may have been struck by lightning, but aviation experts have said that should not have been enough to bring down the aircraft.

Other potential causes include shifting winds and hail from towering thunderheads, a massive mechanical failure or a combination of other factors.

Pentagon officials told The Associated Press that American authorities have not seen any evidence suggesting terrorism or foul play.

[RocketMan]

NY Times: Plane debris found

“The nature of the debris, the concentration of the debris ... all combines to prove that the debris from Air France 447 has been found,” Christophe Prazuck, a French military spokesman in Brazil, said Wednesday, The Associated Press reported.

Nelson Jobim, the Brazilian defense minister, said that “without a doubt” the debris was from the Air France plane. Military planes located the wreckage Tuesday in a three-mile strip in the ocean, as hope of finding survivors all but vanished. The debris included “an orange life vest, an aircraft seat, a drum, kerosene and oil,” the Brazilian military said.

At a press conference Wednesday at Le Bourget Airport near Paris, Paul-Louis Arslanian, who is heading the French government’s inquiry into the crash, said he hoped that a preliminary report on the disaster would be available by the end of June.

I wonder if the three-mile strip of wreckage is indicative of a mid-air explosion or whether it could be caused by a crash in the ocean. I suppose there's been enough time for the wreckage to disperse somewhat.

on edit: It's my 333rd post! Yay! It at least sounds like a number with some serious mojo.

[DrVolin]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

Air France had a bomb threat on that route a few days ago.

And a pilot in Texas reported a missile near his airliner yesterday:

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blog ... uston.aspx

[barracuda]

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/ameri ... 82753.html

Final messages sent from the plane suggest the jet suffered a series of failures and could have broken apart as it passed through a thunderstorm before hitting the ocean off Brazil's northern coast on Monday, officials said.

[jingofever]

And a pilot in Texas reported a missile near his airliner yesterday:

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blog ... uston.aspx

More here.

In May 2008, a Continental Airlines pilot reported a similar incident.

“It was the same situation, almost identical,” DeFoor said. “The FBI are pulling their records on that one. It was roughly in the same area almost a year ago.”

It is also similar to the "Chiles-Whitted 'rocketship' sighting."

[Gouda]

Funny, Chavez and Evo Morales canceled their flight from Venezuela to El Salvador around this time due to a threat to their plane. They'd planned to fly out together from Caracas on either Sunday or Monday for Mauricio Funes' inauguration ceremony. They cancelled due to tips and specific information that "CIA-backed ultra-right terrorists" were planning to shoot down their plane en route from Venezuela to El Salvador - a flight path and date not too far from that of Air France Flight 447, which took off late Sunday night and disappeared early Monday morning.

Chávez Cancelled Trip to El Salvador Due to Assassination Threat

After being absent from the public light since Saturday, Chavez spoke to the media on Tuesday afternoon while he was inspecting the construction of 1,100 government houses in Vargas state. He explained that he had received a message warning about the assignation plans from Ortega and “it was information with a lot of weight that motivated the suspension of our travels.”

“In this case the information was very precise, [it indicated] that they were going to launch one or several rockets at the Cubana airline plane that was already ready to leave from Maiquetia [airport in Venezuela],” he said, and explained that the Venezuelan presidential plane was being repaired at the time and that Cuba had lent him one of its planes for his travels. Chavez and Morales were going to travel to El Salvador together in the plane.

Venezuela's Chávez Disappears Accusing CIA of Trying To Kill Him

El Salvador to investigate Chavez claims

Chavez:

“The government of the United States is behind all of this. And I’m not accusing Obama. No. As Fidel [Castro] has said, I think Obama has good intentions, but beyond Obama there is a whole empire: The CIA and all its tentacles, is alive and kicking… President Obama its time to dismantle all this machinery of terror.”

[Ben D]

Air France received bomb threat before jet crashed

June 04, 2009 09:00am

AIR France received a bomb threat just days before Flight 447 mysteriously crashed, killing 228 passengers, raising new fears that the jet was a victim of a terrorist attack.

Argentine police received an anonymous telephone warning on May 27 about an Air France flight from Buenos Aires to Paris.

Police searched the plane before passengers boarded but found nothing and it was allowed to take off with a delay of 32 minutes, an Air France spokesman revealed today.

He said there appeared to be no link between the alert and the crash on Monday of the Air France flight between Rio de Janeiro in Brazil and Paris.

More debris from the Air France jet that came down in the Atlantic was spotted early yesterday, but investigators said they were pessimistic about finding the black boxes that could explain the tragedy.

French and Brazilian officials have described a "burst" of messages from Flight 447 just before it disappeared.

A more complete chronology was published today by Brazil's O Estado de S. Paulo newspaper, citing an unidentified Air France source, and confirmed to The Associated Press by an aviation industry source with knowledge of the investigation:

- 11 p.m. local time - The pilot sends a manual signal saying the jet was flying through CBs - towering cumulo-nimulus thunderheads.

- 11:10 p.m. - A cascade of automatic messages indicate trouble: The autopilot had disengaged, stabilizing controls were damaged, flight systems deteriorated.

- 11:13 p.m. - Messages report more problems: The system that monitors speed, altitude and direction failed. The main flight computer and wing spoilers failed.

- 11:14 p.m. - The final message indicates a loss of cabin pressure and complete system failure - catastrophic events in a plane that was likely already plunging toward the ocean.

Brazilian Defence Minister Nelson Jobim said Wednesday that it appeared unlikely that an explosion tore apart the Air France plane.

A long fuel slick found in an zone where debris was spotted "means that it is improbable that there was a fire or explosion, but that is just a hypothesis," he said.

He was inferring that the high-octane jet fuel would have ignited if a blast or fire had occurred.

For all that though, "there is still no possibility" of determining what caused the crash, Jobim said.

The flight recorders from Air France Flight 447 could also be scattered nearly anywhere across a vast undersea mountain range that lies as much as six kilometres below the surface of the Atlantic Ocean.

In those remote, forbidding waters between Brazil and West Africa, variations in temperature and salinity can reduce visibility and obscure homing signals from the devices. And for salvage crews, time is short because the "black boxes" will only emit signals for a month. A list of the named crew and passengers aboard Air France Flight 447, which crashed in the Atlantic Ocean en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris carrying 228 people.

[RocketMan]

He said there appeared to be no link between the alert and the crash on Monday of the Air France flight between Rio de Janeiro in Brazil and Paris.

WTF? The spinning has begun.

[Gouda]

Pilot in Area Reported Seeing 'Intense Flash of White Light' at Time of Disappearance

(...)

"FLASH OF WHITE LIGHT"

Experts have questioned whether extreme turbulence or decompression during stormy weather might have caused the disaster -- the worst in Air France's 75-year history.

Spanish newspaper El Mundo said a transatlantic airline pilot reported seeing a bright flash of white light at the same time the Air France flight disappeared.

"Suddenly we saw in the distance a strong, intense flash of white light that took a downward, vertical trajectory and disappeared in six seconds," the pilot of an Air Comet flight from Lima to Madrid told his company, the newspaper reported.

A spokesman for Madrid-based airline Air Comet was not immediately available to confirm the El Mundo article.

Asked about whether there could have been an explosion or bomb on the plane, an armed forces spokesman in Paris said they were not ruling anything out at the moment.

"Everyone has doubts about everything at the moment and we do not have the slightest beginnings of an answer yet," said armed forces spokesman Christophe Prazuck.

[Occult Means Hidden]

ya know, I never considered TSOL backwards before. always distracted by the question of that the letters meant. good catch

True Sounds of Liberty

now back to the regularly scheduled forum posting...

[blanc]

an extract of the last messages sent from the plane was shown on tv last night, it seems that in the final moments the autopilot was switched off, and there were instrument failures.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Timing...is interesting...just like during Obama's last big trip in April when swine flu took over the news cycle...and CIA terrorist Luis Posada Carriles was finally charged by the US. Now this plane goes down when Carriles is back in the news and Obama is in the Muslim spotlight.

So I wonder if this plane loss was an intentional 'propaganda of the event.' For four reasons.

The first is an interview series for a documentary with one of the US-framed Cuban Five who were trying to prevent US-backed terrorism against Cuba. He points at CIA terrorism including the infamous Carriles-

http://www.themilitant.com/2009/7322/732250.html

Vol. 73/No. 22 June 8, 2009


FBI wanted Cuban 5 to become traitors
Gerardo Hernández: Fear, intimidation didn’t work,
so they put us in ‘the hole’
(feature article)

The following is the second installment of an interview with Gerardo Hernández, one of five Cuban revolutionaries who have been held in U.S. prisons on frame-up charges for more than 10 years. Saul Landau, a fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies in Washington, D.C., who is making a documentary on the case, conducted the April 1 interview by phone. The first installment appeared in last week’s Militant. The remaining three parts will be printed the in the coming weeks.
Known internationally as the Cuban Five, Gerardo Hernández, Antonio Guerrero, Ramón Labañino, Fernando González, and René González have been in prison since their arrest on Sept. 12, 1998. They had been gathering information on counterrevolutionary Cuban American groups that operate from south Florida with Washington’s complicity and have a history of violent attacks on Cuba.

The five were framed and convicted in 2001 on charges that included failing to register as agents of a foreign government and “conspiracy to commit espionage.” They were given sentences ranging from 15 years to life.
.....
[article footnotes]
1. A reference to Luis Posada Carriles, Orlando Bosch, and others. Posada Carriles was convicted by a Venezuelan court in the 1976 bombing of a Cuban airliner over Barbados killing all 73 people aboard. Bosch was also implicated in the attack. In a 1998 New York Times interview, Posada Carriles bragged of his involvement in a series of bombings of Havana hotels in 1997, including one that killed an Italian tourist, Fabio di Celmo. He later retracted his account, claiming he didn’t understand English well. Both Posada Carriles and Bosch today walk freely in the streets of Miami.

2. Brothers to the Rescue, headed by José Basulto, and Alpha 66 are rightist outfits based in Florida that promote violent actions against targets in Cuba. Brothers to the Rescue falsely portrays itself as a “humanitarian” aid group, but as the Cuban Five testified, was organizing armed provocations in Cuba.

Amazingly, there are THREE other "June 3 plane crash" stories worth hiding in the news cycle because of international significance while Obama is singing songs to soothe the savage breast.

These three stories were all predictable and could have been pre-empted by two days with a mysterious story of a missing French plane that also conveniently puts a shadow over European Airbus plane construction in favor of the United States of Boeing-

1) Hugo Chavez claims a plot by CIA plane bomber Carriles to shoot at his plane going to El Salvador.

2) CIA plane bomber Carriles was in the news regarding his August trial for lying about bombing.

3) The FAA was accused of complicity in the Flight 3407 crash that killed
Alison Des Forge and 9/11 Activist Beverly Eckert.

Whew. All this on the same day, June 3, that Obama is in Cairo trying to haul the US's reputation out of the grave Rumsfeld dug for it by encouraging Muslims to eschew extremists and forgive the US for 'over-reacting,' to 9/11...three plane stories. Hmmm. Three planes...-

What are the odds that a CIA asset would create another disappeared plane story to cover for Obama's efforts to pull the USG's chestnuts out of the fire?

1) Chavez spotlights the CIA's Carriles on his trip to El Salvador.
Possibly as propaganda to emphasize old CIA crimes. Still a problem.

http://www.escambray.cu/Eng/Special/Pos ... 603256.htm

Venezuelan President Denounces Assassination Plot Organized by Posada Carriles

HAVANA, Cuba, June 3 (ACN) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez denounced on Tuesday a plan to assassinate him during a planned visit to El Salvador to participate in the inauguration ceremony of Salvadoran President Mauricio Funes last Monday.

According to Prensa Latina news agency, Chavez explained that the plan was organized by infamous international terrorist Luis Posada Carriles and it consisted in the shooting down of the Venezuelan presidential plane with one or more rockets while entering or leaving San Salvador.

The Venezuelan leader insisted that his country continues to demand the extradition of Posada Carriles, who lives in the United States.

2) The CIA's old plane-bombing terrorist pal, Luis Posada Carriles, was back in the news on precisely June 3 due to the scheduled ongoing process of legal dancing before his August trial for perjury, not terrorism-

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/ ... 9876.story

Anti-Castro militant in Miami wants more time to prepare for trial
Jay Weaver | The Miami Herald
7:10 AM EDT, June 3, 2009

Militant Cuban exile Luis Posada Carriles says the U.S. government's new charges accusing him of lying about masterminding tourist-site bombings in Cuba amount to a ''terrorism'' case, and therefore a judge should give him more time to prepare for trial.

Posada, a one-time CIA operative now living in Miami, faces trial in El Paso in August on charges of perjury, obstruction of justice and making false statements.

Those charges, filed in April, stem from Posada's testimony during a government hearing to remove him from the country and his naturalization hearing to become an American citizen.
.....
As part of his defense, Posada's lawyer says he wants the government to turn over a reporter's decade-old interview tapes with Posada as well as classified documents concerning his ''long-term association with U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies.''

Kinda highlights the hypocrisy of Obama's Big Speech against Muslim extremism. Unless we're all wondering if weather is really caused the crash of a very new state-of-the-science jet, that is.

And that leads to June 3 plane story #3.

3) An inspector just announced that he was warning the FAA about the safety issues involving the plane which went down in February 2009 killing Kenya expert Alison DesForge 9/11 Activist and Beverly Eckert .
Y'know. The flight that the CIA media made a huge obvious show of blaming on weather. Now maybe the FAA is the villain. Maybe.

Or maybe this is another decoy story because of stories #1 and #2 where CIA is known to be involved in old terrorism and could be a suspect in new terrorism...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/nyreg ... .html?_r=1

Inspector Predicted Danger Before Buffalo Crash
Posted Jun 3, 09 11:10 AM CDT

By MATTHEW L. WALD
Published: June 3, 2009

WASHINGTON — More than a year before a twin-engine turboprop flown by Colgan Air crashed on approach to Buffalo, a Federal Aviation Administration inspector complained to his superiors about the rocky start the airline was having with that model.

The FAA insists that it took Monteleon seriously, and that he was not punished for his report. Colgan, meanwhile, dismissed his claims. But early safety-board hearings into the crash that killed 50 made it clear that it was investigating the quality of the FAA’s regulation of Colgan. Monteleon believes the agency was too “cozy” with the airline.
.....
SOURCE: New York Times

[OP ED]

Just because it hasn't been mentioned here yet...You've probably noticed some few discussions lately containing speculation that the Tiller murder and other headline grabbing stories like this one are popping up. Allegedly as a means of blanketing awareness of Cheneyco crimes, which would show up much more brightly in a news deadzone. Just sayin.

I don't necessarily endorse any opinion on this subject; it is hard to rationalise wiping out an airplane load of innocents as a distraction, but then this is a very serious game. We already know for a fact that the perps, whoever they are, are sociopaths at the very least, among other negative traits. Plus, as we see from Dickie's recent performances, desperation is looming large, so anything goes.

i'm sure its hard for YOU to rationalise such a thing, however, we are talking about the same folks who downed FOUR planes (and killed a few thousand people that day besides, and a couple million since) for little more than transitory power and minor wealth.

You can't "rationalise" the motives of the irrational. This has always been one of their greatest strategic strengths.