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Postby LilyPatToo » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:25 am

operator kos wrote:One thing that doesn't make sense to me about the screen-memory hypothesis for abductions is this:

If the PTB wanted to do random medical experiments on people, they could round up homeless people or people from third world ghettos who would simply never be seen again, and never be missed by anyone who counts in the eyes of society. (And they probably do do this too. *shudder*)


One important factor in victim selection for the earlier MKULTRA-style programs was hypnotizability. If a person was highly dissociative, then they were capable of being "put under" faster and--even more importantly--deeper than the average person. Existing memos indicate that there was a serious effort to identify optimal human guinea pigs, rather than just sample the public at large.

So just scooping up the easiest-to-obtain people wasn't the best way to go if your goal was a programmable mind. I don't doubt that they've preyed (and probably still prey) on random homeless people for other purposes, but if a Manchurian candidate or some other mind controlled human robot is the goal, then they need to identify the best raw material with which to begin.

As for why give them an odd screen memory (like UFO abduction memories), my best guess is that it will make the person more controllable, in that it can be used in a pinch to completely discredit anything that they later remember as "delusional" (because, of course, they're "fantasy-prone").

And if a person can be convinced that something truly terrifying has happened to them, but they're disbelieved by most of society, then a would-be Controller can use the same time-tested social engineering tricks that herd people into religions to corral these poor PTSDed trauma survivors into a UFO/alien abduction sub-culture. There, they can be further programmed, manipulated and, above all, observed.

I have a feeling that a great deal of useful social science data can be obtained from this kind of milieu. And those particular star guinea pigs who responded most optimally to their childhood programming can be recycled as experts (authors, speakers and even gurus) when they're adults--a sort of victim/handler thing, where the preyed-upon in turn prey upon others, but unknowingly, believing the alien abduction history with which they've been programmed since childhood.

This is my current thinking and is based on observations I've made myself, personally, from a lifetime spent within this sub-culture. I guess you could say that while I have no proof that I could present to a grand jury, I do have a hell of a lot of evidence and indications that something like this has been going on for 50 years.

And as for the astonishing percentage of people on psychiatric drugs right now, I agree with Maddy that it looks an awful lot like a deliberate "dumbing down" and "numbing up" of our society. A form of mass mind control that perhaps is meant to work with all the psy-op entertainment with which we're bombarded daily.

LilyPat

PS Remember too that assassins are probably only one part of the mind control programs...but they're certainly the part that the Controllers want us all to think of when we think "mind control." Otherwise, there wouldn't be so many exciting, glamorous movies made about them.
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Postby 8bitagent » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:17 am

operator kos wrote:Yeah, HMW... did you actually read the article? It's not promoting the reality of UFOs. I thought it did a good job showing how different factions in the military and intelligence communities over the years have apparently had different attitudes about the matter. It's much better than the Alex Jones type argument that everything everywhere is all part of one monolithic NWO conspiracy. Nope, there is actually substantial disagreement on major issues at the highest levels. Who'd have thunk it?


Ive long ago realized there are a lot of things that just dont fly with a "NWO/Pentagon/CIA spook" explanation.

I can imagine how Charles Fort, Keel, and Macke would think about ascribing all this stuff to "the Western spooks".

Aint no way any government/corporation is behind all the UFO/close encounter stuff.
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Postby operator kos » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:27 am

8bitagent wrote:Aint no way any government/corporation is behind all the UFO/close encounter stuff.


Agreed... the phenomena are simple too varied and too widespread to come from a single source.
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Postby operator kos » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:28 am

Thanks Lily, that was a very thoughtful and helpful reply.
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Postby 8bitagent » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:37 am

operator kos wrote:
8bitagent wrote:Aint no way any government/corporation is behind all the UFO/close encounter stuff.


Agreed... the phenomena are simple too varied and too widespread to come from a single source.


Well they are so bizarre too. You literally can't make this stuff up.
On RI/blog I've read about psychic tv phenomenon(like the film white noise), tiny eatern european people/gnomes/dwarves, greys, UFOs, mothman, you name it. I believe 100% that the Zimbabwe 94 sighting and the Mothman forteana is real and established, and most definitely not from this world.

I think that people *want* to acribe all of this stuff to "Western intel/government psyops"...its less frightening. Less mind blowing, less paradigm shifting. I mean the endless humanoid/close encounter reports alone, no way in heck Hugh Manatee's theory could be acribed to all that(IMHO)

I even thought of a scarier explanation to what people generally think of as "NWO/CIA" stuff. I went back and noticed interviews where bin Laden, Bush, Blair, top jihadists, etc all claim "God" or a "higher power" speaks to them. And I remember reading about the Vril chanellers in Nazi Germany, Alice Bailey, Roerich, Blavatsky, John Dee, Parsons, etc.
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Postby LilyPatToo » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:57 pm

I agree that not all of the UFO/alien reports can possibly be put down to intel fun and games. If you read Dolan's first book, you'll see many bizarre cases that happened long before any intelligence agency in the world had the capability to produce a flawless faux alien encounter experience. But Jacque Vallee did investigate and expose a fairly early one that appears to have been planned and executed by the French government, so the muddying of the waters began early-on.

8bitagent is correct, I think, that "...people *want* to ascribe all of this stuff to "Western intel/government psyops"...it's less frightening.". And I know this personally, since when I belatedly woke up to what was going on in the alien abduction/New Age sub-culture, I was mind-boggled. And furious at having been deceived and jerked around for so long by so many "experts" with covert agendas. For a while I believed that it was ALL smoke and mirrors, but gradually I became aware that this was an over-reaction on my part.

8bitagent also said:
I even thought of a scarier explanation to what people generally think of as "NWO/CIA" stuff. I went back and noticed interviews where bin Laden, Bush, Blair, top jihadists, etc all claim "God" or a "higher power" speaks to them. And I remember reading about the Vril chanellers in Nazi Germany, Alice Bailey, Roerich, Blavatsky, John Dee, Parsons, etc.

This is something that I believe has been on-going for a very long time. There were (immediately suppressed) rumors of technology that could place a human voice inside a target's mind as early as (I think) the early 60's. It apparently was developed in the intelligence agency-run mind control programs, possibly ones with military involvement.

Combined with covert hypnosis and probably some drugging too, the duping and exploitation of mediums (most of whom are wholly sincere about the "higher beings" with whom they believe they are in contact) continues. Helen Schucman of A Course In Miracles fame stands out in my mind as a poster child for this. Her MKULTRA-connected colleague (Thetford? something like that) probably was her handler/programmer. Which is not to say that every individual who "receives messages" is a guinea pig for human spooks, but I suspect that the ones who become tremendously famous and whose words reach many thousands or millions of followers probably are being manipulated--at least to some extent. Most of what they teach is possibly positive and useful, but the spooks wouldn't be involved unless some key social engineering concept is concealed within it.

None of this is monolithic, I now believe. It's an enormously subtle and complicated field, where almost any paranormal phenomena can be co-opted for social engineering. The current Controllers have been building upon pre-existing phenomena for decades. And I believe that their predecessors in religions and cults were doing it hundreds or thousands of years ago, entirely without an assist from modern technology. The result, as I said above, has been a massive "muddying the waters". A seeker after Truth has probably always walked a treacherous path :?

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Postby operator kos » Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:29 pm

Here's another military collaboration I found, in the Wikipedia entry for Stargate SG-1:
The United States Air Force (USAF) cooperated closely with the Stargate SG-1 producers. Before the beginning of the series, the USAF granted production access to the Cheyenne Mountain complex to film stock shots. They also read every script for mistakes and provided help with plausible background stories for all characters, ribbons, uniform regulations, hair advice, plotlines, and military relationships.[70] The USAF flew up several T-38 Talon, F-15 and F-16 fighter jets to Vancouver for various episodes and direct-to-DVD films.[39][71][72] Many of the extras portraying USAF personnel were real USAF personnel.[73]

Two successive Chiefs of Staff of the USAF, Generals Michael E. Ryan and John P. Jumper, appeared as themselves in season 4's "Prodigy" and season 7's "Lost City", respectively. General Jumper's second scheduled appearance in season 9's "The Fourth Horseman" was cancelled due to ongoing conflicts in the Middle East.[72] The Air Force Association recognized Richard Dean Anderson at its 57th annual dinner on September 14, 2004 for his work as actor and executive producer of the show, and for the show's positive depiction of the Air Force.[73]

Stargate SG-1 also received support from the United States and other international navy. Several scenes of season 4's "Small Victories" were filmed aboard and outside of a Russian Foxtrot-class submarine, which had been brought from Vladivostok to Vancouver.[11] The United States Navy invited the cast and producers to film aboard the nuclear submarine USS Alexandria (SSN-757) and at their Applied Physics Laboratory Ice Station in the Arctic for Stargate: Continuum.[74]
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Postby Penguin » Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:59 pm

operator kos wrote:Here's another military collaboration I found, in the Wikipedia entry for Stargate SG-1:
The Air Force Association recognized Richard Dean Anderson at its 57th annual dinner on September 14, 2004 for his work as actor and executive producer of the show, and for the show's positive depiction of the Air Force.[73]



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