Meanwhile, 9/11 Continues To Be Exposed in the Mainstream

[Nordic]

So they're banning this book here, but keeping it available in Canada? That's sure as hell what it looks like.

I think more likely it's due to uncertainty re the publication date. Same thing happened to my book on Amazon several times when the due date slipped.

I hope that's all it is.

[8bitagent]

So they're banning this book here, but keeping it available in Canada? That's sure as hell what it looks like.

I think more likely it's due to uncertainty re the publication date. Same thing happened to my book on Amazon several times when the due date slipped.

I hope that's all it is.

Im surprised Mr Farmer isnt making the usual rounds on MSNBC, CNN, Democracy Now, etc.

Also, has anyone gotten any word on Peter Lance's new version of Triple Cross? Apparent he's being sued by Patrick Fitzgerald now.

Peter Lance said Ali Mohamed is now living a free man in upstate new york, and his silicon valley wife(who is friends with FBI vet Jack Cloonan) regularly visits him

And Im thinking, Ali Mohamed is said to be one of the masterminds of the WTC 1993 and 1998 African embassy, the one behind Rabbi Mayer Khahane, the co creator of al Qaeda, the one who personally brought bin Laden to Sudan and then Afghanistan, creator of the al Qaeda training camps and techniques, etc...

Yet he's a free man? I think it's more proof of who and what protects, controls and uses "al Qaeda" and like groups.

[Nordic]

Im surprised Mr Farmer isnt making the usual rounds on MSNBC, CNN, Democracy Now, etc.

Do you seriously think he will? I don't. I'm having my doubts that his book will see the light of day in the U.S.

Don't forget Lee Iacocca wrote a book incredibly critical of the Bush administration, and he got nothing. The silence was deafening.

This is like that times a zillion.

[8bitagent]

Im surprised Mr Farmer isnt making the usual rounds on MSNBC, CNN, Democracy Now, etc.

Do you seriously think he will? I don't. I'm having my doubts that his book will see the light of day in the U.S.

Don't forget Lee Iacocca wrote a book incredibly critical of the Bush administration, and he got nothing. The silence was deafening.

This is like that times a zillion.

Good point. FBI Agent Robert Wright's book "Vulgar Betrayal" never was allowed to see the light of day. He was the top FBI agent who from 1996-2001 saw himself and many other FBI agents completely barred from going after Saudi financiers of bin Laden's network and Islamic terror cells. The amount of FBI agents forbidden from going after the hijackers at flight schools, terror charities, Saudi financiers of terror, etc
to me seems way beyond incompetence/intel sharing walls.


Also Nordic, I hate to be one of those people to reply in the wrong thread...but in another thread you said:

they were willing to try anything." Anything at all, even if it seemed crazy

Maybe they made a deal with Satan.

I'm not joking. Maybe they went the route of the occult to beat Hitler.

And the world has been paying the price ever since.

It would kinda make sense, would it not?

Nothing would surprise me.

That would tie everything together rather neatly, wouldn't it? Almost everything we discuss on this board .......

I couldn't help but feel this post was quite appropriate for a discussion of 9/11. The devil, is certainly in the details it would seem.

[rrapt]

I see a lot of "WTF, why can't they see the obvious?" often referring to liberals.

Of course there is the programming on the tube and in the papers, as HMW points out, but I think perhaps the biggest block to recognition is just that it is too painful to acknowledge that most of what one has been taught has no foundation in reality. Now that is scary.

As long as you have a support group, willing to believe the lies as you do, it works OK. Hiding is easy.

Now if you or somebody you trust is willing/able to project the eventual result of these bullshit stories it gets very dark looking indeed, so naturally if you have a choice you will choose not to believe they are bullshit. Remember, the vast majority of humans would prefer not to even pay attention to the govt, much less criticise it. OK, speaking of Americans anyway.

Nowadays as I listen to friends & acquaintances chat about public affairs, I find it remarkable that a) they feel threatened and unsettled, and b) they are notably ignorant of the current state of affairs, including a lot of the history behind it. Granted, I am out in the middle of Virginia where nothing is to the left of center right.

Anyway I think the propaganda machine is working just fine so far; I suspect that a lot of these "newly released" stories are limited hangout, oozing out to preserve the public order. It works.

[Nordic]

Also Nordic, I hate to be one of those people to reply in the wrong thread...but in another thread you said:

they were willing to try anything." Anything at all, even if it seemed crazy

Maybe they made a deal with Satan.

I'm not joking. Maybe they went the route of the occult to beat Hitler.

And the world has been paying the price ever since.

It would kinda make sense, would it not?

Nothing would surprise me.

That would tie everything together rather neatly, wouldn't it? Almost everything we discuss on this board .......

I couldn't help but feel this post was quite appropriate for a discussion of 9/11. The devil, is certainly in the details it would seem.

Yeah ........

Yeah .........

I usually don't "go there" and instead find that most things can be explained with a "follow the money/power" trail, but one of the things that has struck me about looking into 9/11 is how .... black .... it all gets. I true cesspool of stinking evil, and the farther into it you look, the blacker and stinkier it gets ....

It would certainly explain everything, it would be the "unified field theory" so to speak of all the things we discuss here.

Hitler was very powerful. In a "supernatural" way (for lack of a better term). He survived an assassination attempt by his own generals, for cryin' out loud, and almost took over the entire civilized world.

How?

Chutzpah? Luck? Right place at the right time? Sheer balls?

You have to wonder how much evil plays into this.

For this, of course, you have to believe in the existence of evil as a force, and something that can be tapped into and used by humans.

So how do you defeat such evil? With greater evil? Some might think so, and some might make that mistake, as to make that bargain.

Bush struck me as someone who managed to ride the beast of Evil. How else would someone who is such a loser and a dumbshit get into a position where he could kill so many other souls? As governor of Texas he killed .... how many people? To, you know, pay his dues.

I have a friend who got her doctorate in anthropology studying witchcraft in Nigeria. There, witches are real, and they become very powerful by consuming souls. I believe she told me after consuming 99 souls, one attains a very high level of witchery. This woman, one of the most intelligent and level-headed people I've ever met in my life, had to actually leave Africa at one point because someone had put a curse on her and there was some type of evil spirit hovering above her bed at night, tormenting her. Just one of many stories she has. The reality of what goes on there is mind-blowing.

In other words, this stuff is real.

It seems our military/industrial complex is fueled and energized through the consumption of human life.

[kelley]

i did a search for 'atavistic sacrifice + manifest destiny', just to see the results, and this is what i got. reluctant to post such a long block of text here, but any paraphrase i could attempt would fall short:


Born Again Ideology

Arthur Kroker


The New Protestant Ethic

One hundred years after the publication of Max Weber's classic text, The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism, the fateful relationship between Protestantism and capitalism has been renewed in American political discourse. Except this time it is no longer the original convergence theorized by Weber between the spirit of Calvinism and acquisitive capitalism whereby Christianity was destined to be ultimately secondary to the unfolding historical project of capitalism, but the opposite. In a contemporary political climate marked by the resurgence seemingly everywhere of faith-based politics, capitalism and its historical correlate -- modernism -- have actually folded back on themselves, quickly reversing modernist codes of economic secularism and political pluralism, in the interests of being reanimated with the evangelical spirit of religious fundamentalism. What Weber foresaw as a primal compact between Calvinism and acquisitive capitalism -- this migration, first in Europe and then in Puritan America, of Puritan attitudes towards personal salvation based on giving witness by habits of frugality, hard work, and discipline into the essentially acquisitive spirit of capitalism -- has been renewed in new key. On the centennial of The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism, the political universe is suddenly dominated by the spirit of what might be called the New Protestant Ethic as the ideological reflex of the age of networked capitalism and empire politics.

Animated by apocalyptic visions of the days of wrath announcing the Second Coming of Christ, motivated by feverish aspirations to be counted among the spiritually elect in the coming age of division between the Predestined and the Left Behind, witness to the vengeful spirit of the Old Testament, literal in its biblical interpretations, monistic in its drive to hegemony among the world religions, in active revolt against secularism, in bitter rebellion against pluralism, the New Protestant Ethic is the foundational creed of contemporary American politics.

We, the inhabitants of post-Enlightenment society might have thought that the current cultural horizon was exhausted by fateful struggles between modernism, postmodernism and posthumanism, but it turns out that the past will not be denied. Out of the ashes of the Book of Revelation emerges a form of faith-based politics which is, in every political sense, the ascendant historical tendency in American public life. Here, putting on the policy garments of the "culture of life" movement, there waging bitter political combat against the heresy of "same-sex marriage," now opposed to scientific claims concerning stem cell research, allying itself actively with the crusading spirit of American imperialist adventures, dominating the media with faith-based cultural perspectives, the New Protestant Ethic easily sweeps aside secular discourses in the interests of a vision of culture, society and politics which is as cosmological in its theological sweep as it is eschatological in its historical ambitions.

Understood metaphysically, it may well be that the insurgency represented by faith-based politics is the representative political form of what Heidegger's Nietzsche described as the age of "completed nihilism." In this interpretation, power in its mature (nihilistic) phase -- sick of itself, possessing no definitive goal, exhausted with the historical burden of remaining an active will, always sliding inexorably towards the nothingness of the will-less will -- desperately seeks out a sustaining purpose, an inspiring goal, a historical mission. Into the ethical vacuum at the disappearing center of nihilistic power flows a strong historical monism -- the New Protestant Ethic -- that will not be suppressed. To power's empty formalism, to liberal humanism's (emotionally) ineffective proceduralist ethics, to the empire's cybernetic equations written in violence and in blood across the landscape of imperial wars, the New Protestant Ethic provides a singular historical purpose -- the crusading spirit of evangelical Christianity which is reconstructionist, resurgent, and reanimated -- backed up by the semiotic purity of the foundational texts of the Old Testament. To those who would discount faith-based politics as only the most recent instance of the politics of cultural backlash, it should be noted that this fateful, and entirely original, entwinement of (fundamentalist) religion and (imperial) war technologies in the American mind may well be in the order of a great overturning. With faith-based politics, we are witness to something entirely unexpected, and for that reason, deeply ominous -- an ethical reconciliation between religion and technology in which the apocalyptic visions of the Old Testament will be future-coded in the power languages of empire politics and networked capitalism. What is now only in its preparatory rhetorical stages as the "culture of life" movement may soon emerge full-blown as the essential life-principle of American, and by imperialist extension, world culture.

Consequently, it may no longer be The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism in its original Calvinist evocation of ascetic propriety and regularity, nor capitalism any longer in its first pioneering acquisitive expression. However, it appears to most definitely be the New Protestant Ethic as the moral vision of American politics in the 21st century -- intolerant, charismatic, crusading. Breaking beyond the boundaries of private religious belief, this fusion of religious fundamentalism and the instrumentalities of increasingly cyberneticized imperial forms of global warfare is, for example, the moral essence of the Bush administration's political vision of "redemptive empire." Here, "Reconstructionist" Christianity -- aggressive, projective, fundamentalist -- is streamed instantly across the spacetime fabric of American empire by a military intent both on "full-spectrum domination of space" and, as recently announced, on "metabolic domination" of the bodies of its global subjects . A dangerous fusion then of fundamentalist Protestantism and cyber-war. In his first press conference after the last American presidential election, George W. Bush said: "I have earned political capital and I intend to spend it."

There are intimations here: some known -- the sacrificial violence directed against the cities of Iraq, recent reports of new versions of experimental weapons -- poison gas and napalm -- used against the citizens of Falluja, ominous warnings of adventurism to come in Iran; and some stories unknown, unreported, already forgotten at the dark edges of the real politics of empire -- the probable murder in a southern motel room in December of Ray C. Lemme, a private investigator, who it is reported was following the trail of The Five Star Trust -- a secret fund out of Texas, Saudi Arabia, the Phillipines -- which may have financed the widespread computer manipulation of the last American election.[1] Thinking of these events, I again allow those chilling words of George W. Bush to brush against my thought: "I have earned political capital and I intend to spend it."


link is here:
http://www.ctheory.net/printer.aspx?id=487

[freemason9]

I hope this guy doesn't like to fly small planes.

Or DC area commuter trains

Why is it, the so called "Rebellious liberals" will defend the 9/11 story at all costs, even when the damn mainstream and 9/11 investigators are showing what a scam the whole thing is?

Bizarro world

Maybe your "rebellious liberals" are different from the ones that I know, but I haven't met anyone that completely believes the Official Version of 9-11. Nobody believes it, much less defends it.

Like the Kennedy assassination, there is a general consensus that we have been lied to. And, like the Kennedy assassination, there is nothing we can do about it--except hope that someday, by some miracle, a genuinely effective leader will break the walls and let the truth come tumbling out.

[elfismiles]

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[rrapt]

Nordic, earlier today: "I have a friend who got her doctorate ... studying witchcraft in Nigeria. ...had to actually leave Africa at one point because someone had put a curse on her... mind-blowing...."

You have an interesting perspective on evil Nordic. I tend to see it similarly, except that there is a lot of depth/complexity in the concept which most of us don't comprehend fully. Perhaps we aren't intended to see it by our good guiding spirits, as the lower animals aren't.

Also, you may have seen the quote by Jim Marrs, to the effect that, *You will never understand the weird black forces shaping policy, etc. unless you include an understanding of ETs, UFOs and the like*. (not a direct quote) That stuff is all supposedly secret isn't it, or at least as shrouded as possible by the PTB, so it is important to them that you not know it.

Anyway, huge tracts of unexplored territory still out there, and as America was for Europe in 1400, pretty much still a mystery to normal humans.

Yess, that is exactly as we want it.

[OP ED]

Hey, shut up, I'm watching Michael Jackson videos on Youtube.

I have to admit, I did end up youtubing some of MJ's early-mid 80's videos and concert footage. Crazy stuff

I think I must be just old enough that I was 100% unaffected by the MJ phenomenon.

In fact, I'm old enough to remember that when i was a kid living on a military base in Germany, my friends and I would put "Rockin Robin" on the jukebox at the rec center just to piss off the GI's in there. They HATED that song and they would literally chase us out of there when we did it.

i was born in 1983, which made me just young enough that by the time i listened to music for my own enjoyment Michael Jackson was no longer relevant. as a musician anyhow.

i do not own any of his records, although with the number of soundtracks on my IPOD i'm sure he's in there somewhere.

to me he was always "that old tacky pop guy my parents kinda liked and who made them think they know something about dancing".

[8bitagent]

I usually don't "go there" and instead find that most things can be explained with a "follow the money/power" trail, but one of the things that has struck me about looking into 9/11 is how .... black .... it all gets. I true cesspool of stinking evil, and the farther into it you look, the blacker and stinkier it gets ....

Well, here I am over defensively posturing against the usual "CIA inside job/Israel did it/neocons involved" 9/11 Truthiness and choosing to focus on the more banal courtroom stuff of FBI obstruction, Saudi financing, shell companies, Bosnian-drug route-early MAK days-federal protection, able danger, Ptech, and so forth.

So I totally get why Hugh and Alice chastise me about this stuff. A hulabaloo about nothing, complex webs of intrigue in a post Casalaro/Lombardi world.

However, if asked...I make no apology or bones about my view that the same Satanic forces I believe to be behind Hitler and all of WW2 in general(including the atom bomb) are also behind the 9/11 event.
And I could get into a whole Jake Kotze/Goro Adachi thing of syncs and other stuff, but 9/11 seems overly bathed in high weirdness.

And I don't just mean the four plane numbers being some of the principle numbers of Crowleyan study(not saying Crowley was bad, just he seemed to be able to tap into that sort of thang')
...or the fact Ziad Jarrah was trained by the US Army's top occult psi combat artist in Florida.

Just the whole spectacle seems like one giant working, with the desired global egregoric effect. The kind of current that can ensure
Princess Diana's car crashes into the 13th pillar of a bloodied past tunnel minutes after midnight on the 31st of august, almost directly under a black pentagram statue. Or that Washington DC's street layout forms a giant left line broken pentagram, or that the back of the one dollar bill is rife with hexagrams and hidden symbology
(Boy was that Nicholas Roerich and his wife into some interesting people and situations)

When Robert Oppenheimer recites death mantras from ancient India as the atom bomb drops on the SAME 33rd degree paralel as the Roswell event a couple years later, with the Manhattan project admittedly concieved at Bohemian Grove.
With the Serbian "Black Hand" order killing the Archduke back in WW1, and the Nazis obsessed with Tibet and the blackest of occult groups...

It just seems like so much of major historical events has the not so subtle touch of the Black Brotherhood/Black Lodges

It would certainly explain everything, it would be the "unified field theory" so to speak of all the things we discuss here.

Oh I can't help but think there is a very clear unified theory, as complex and random as life *might* seem. The countless humanoid/UFO sightings, decidedly Fortean occurances, etc all seems to me to tie directly into this very old tableaux of psyops and programming of the human species.

Hitler was very powerful. In a "supernatural" way (for lack of a better term). He survived an assassination attempt by his own generals, for cryin' out loud, and almost took over the entire civilized world.

I know some researches have mentioned Hitler thinking he was "posessed" by an alien or entity of some sort. We know the Nazis were puppets of corporations/bankers/global elites...but one has to wonder if the entire global elite apparatus are themselves, mere puppets.

For this, of course, you have to believe in the existence of evil as a force, and something that can be tapped into and used by humans.

If one sees what is simply going on right now, with massive child slavery...it certainly feels like a virulent evil running wild

So how do you defeat such evil? With greater evil?

Certainly not with some phony Christ like construct. People here me talk about a Satanic agenda, thinking I somehow must be Christian. To me it feels like most religions are there to control the masses. The bible itself seems quite Satanic. I mean, in the story of Job "God" and the "devil" almost seem to work together.

Bush struck me as someone who managed to ride the beast of Evil. How else would someone who is such a loser and a dumbshit get into a position where he could kill so many other souls? As governor of Texas he killed .... how many people? To, you know, pay his dues.

Actually Bush could get REALLY cogent. In a creepy way. See the clip from 2004 when he's addressing Tim Russert on meet the press about accusations of Skull and Bones and if he thinks he will lose the 2004 election. Dubya certainly had his weird moments.

However its his father, Poppy Bush...who has twilight language and black brotherhood written all over him

I have a friend who got her doctorate in anthropology studying witchcraft in Nigeria. There, witches are real, and they become very powerful by consuming souls. I believe she told me after consuming 99 souls, one attains a very high level of witchery. This woman, one of the most intelligent and level-headed people I've ever met in my life, had to actually leave Africa at one point because someone had put a curse on her and there was some type of evil spirit hovering above her bed at night, tormenting her. Just one of many stories she has. The reality of what goes on there is mind-blowing.

In other words, this stuff is real.

The occult world of Africa, as well as South East Asia, Haiti, Latin America, etc is well documented. It's no wonder some of these places are a hotbed of UFO activity, as its all connected.

Even sadder, is how OBSESSED with this stuff the blood thirsty child raping slaughtering millitias in Swaziland/Congo/Kenya are with this stuff. Even mainstream news articles go into this. The corporations and countries like China and Sudan benefit from mass slaughter of Africans, while another occult agenda runs through it.

It seems our military/industrial complex is fueled and energized through the consumption of human life.

Again, above "war", "oil", or whatever the reasons truthers give for 9/11...above all, I would say the instant sacrifice of 3000 souls on occult altars(Twin Pilars/Pentagon), a mass ritual working snuff flick broadcast live on tv(punctuated with the 175 plane slamming into the South Tower)
is ALL about creating large scale death for more power and changing the aeon of sorts.

If 9/11 was a play, it was ridiculously complex and someone put a LOT of time into it.

Sadly, I have no doubt the young jihadists on those planes had any clue what bigger forces were at work.

[8bitagent]

Also, you may have seen the quote by Jim Marrs, to the effect that, *You will never understand the weird black forces shaping policy, etc. unless you include an understanding of ETs, UFOs and the like*.

As much as I dont want to get painted as one of "those UFO believers", I would have to agree.

I just can't see anyway that the whole UFO/alien/humanoid phenomenon is somehow completely detatched from the crap that's been going on all these thousands of years by the PTB.

[Avalon]

I have a friend who got her doctorate in anthropology studying witchcraft in Nigeria. There, witches are real, and they become very powerful by consuming souls. I believe she told me after consuming 99 souls, one attains a very high level of witchery. This woman, one of the most intelligent and level-headed people I've ever met in my life, had to actually leave Africa at one point because someone had put a curse on her and there was some type of evil spirit hovering above her bed at night, tormenting her. Just one of many stories she has. The reality of what goes on there is mind-blowing.

In other words, this stuff is real.

It seems our military/industrial complex is fueled and energized through the consumption of human life.

Ah, academics. You'd think that doctorate-level studies might give one either the skills to neutralize what sounds like fairly elementary curse and entity troubles, or the contacts and allies to get them dealt with effectively.

But the potential curse on ones professional life if you're found to "go native" when studying witches probably outweighs the curses she was able to outrun in Africa.

[lupercal]

I have a friend who got her doctorate in anthropology studying witchcraft in Nigeria. There, witches are real, and they become very powerful by consuming souls. I believe she told me after consuming 99 souls, one attains a very high level of witchery. This woman, one of the most intelligent and level-headed people I've ever met in my life, had to actually leave Africa at one point because someone had put a curse on her and there was some type of evil spirit hovering above her bed at night, tormenting her. Just one of many stories she has. The reality of what goes on there is mind-blowing.

In other words, this stuff is real.

It seems our military/industrial complex is fueled and energized through the consumption of human life.

Ah, academics. You'd think that doctorate-level studies might give one either the skills to neutralize what sounds like fairly elementary curse and entity troubles, or the contacts and allies to get them dealt with effectively.

But the potential curse on ones professional life if you're found to "go native" when studying witches probably outweighs the curses she was able to outrun in Africa.

Oddly enough there's a direct 9/11 connection to Africa via asbestos of all things. Oh do I have a tale to tell, and I will as soon as I finish up a few chores.