Incidental pawns in a very large chess game

[8bitagent]

What I've found so far is the the Vril Gesellschaft was disbanded for all intents and purposes and the girls went into hiding because the higher-ups found out about their activities and that they were being utilized in the development of esoteric and extraterrestrial technologies and did not want to be charged and imprisoned for their occult practices which were forbidden in Germany at that time.

Not too long ago a couple of the original Vril members resurfaced and started initiating members again, but now, they go by the name....Causa-Nostra.


http://www.causa-nostra.com/

What I find really striking about that pictures of the Vril women, is how they look like modern goth girls, or just modern girls in general. Usually people of the past have distinct cheekbone/facial features that places them of a certain era(like people from the 1920's and 1930's)

Well that's the interesting thing, this notion that the Nazis were "trying to wipe out anything occult related", or that the Nazis and Hitler were somehow "Christian". The Nazis murdered over 30,000 innocent Freemason men, a fact people in the conspiracy research field dont like bringing up.

Way I see it, it wasnt so much the Nazis were trying to wipe out such stuff because of Christian beliefs, but because they wanted a monopoly. Like Walmart forcing out mom and pop stores. The Nazis were of course into the absolute blackest regions of the esoteric underground.

To me the Vril Gesellschaft, along with the story of "The Nine" and a lot of this other material is more clues as to what this "extraterrestrial alien" thing is really about. I'd say it's less to do with interplanetary explorers from another planet and more to do with age old nasty tricksters puppeteering mankind.

And Causa-Nostra you say? Man they would have to be in their 90's!

At any rate, the link between UFO studies, the occult and chaneller/mediums goes way back it seems and ties into everything.
Heck the guy who rented out the UFO death cult "Heavens Gate" was one of the FBI informants who helped get some of the 9/11 hijackers into America. And we've seen "The Nine"'s influence all over Star Trek(One of the Heaven's gate victims was the brother of the actress who played "Uhura" on the original star trek)

[n0x23]

What I find really striking about that pictures of the Vril women, is how they look like modern goth girls, or just modern girls in general. Usually people of the past have distinct cheekbone/facial features that places them of a certain era(like people from the 1920's and 1930's)

That is exactly what I thought when I first saw them, that's one of the peculiarities that initially struck my interest.

Well that's the interesting thing, this notion that the Nazis were "trying to wipe out anything occult related", or that the Nazis and Hitler were somehow "Christian". The Nazis murdered over 30,000 innocent Freemason men, a fact people in the conspiracy research field dont like bringing up.

I believe I've come across that information before, which is strange since Freemasonry is nothing more than Western Qabalahism at it's core, which is Jewish Mysticism, of course.

Nor would Freemasonry be at odds with the Eastern, or Western Hermeticism that Blavatsky wrote about in The Secret Doctrine and Isis Unveiled, which Hitler reportedly keep copies of on his desk at all times (as did Einstein, or so I've read...), perhaps Hitler just really liked the idea of Blavatsky's/ Secret Chiefs/ White Brotherhood/ Hidden Masters ideology of the pending Root Race....or, perhaps is wasn't Freemasonry that he opposed, but those particular Masons, who were more than likely predominately Jewish and those who were congregating with the Jewish Masons...just a guess.

My research into Hitler and the Occult isn't that in depth, so I can't speak with any authority on the matter, but from what I have found there seems to be alot of contradictory information, the subject seems very speculative and convoluted.

Such as, Hitler being in the THULE Society, some say yes, others deny it. Then the claim of Hitler's involvement in the Occult, some say he was strongly influenced by it and other accounts claim that it was strictly Himmler's obsession and Hitler simply turned a blind eye to it, but privatley disavowed it as foolish and a waste of time and resources.

To me the Vril Gesellschaft, along with the story of "The Nine" and a lot of this other material is more clues as to what this "extraterrestrial alien" thing is really about. I'd say it's less to do with interplanetary explorers from another planet and more to do with age old nasty tricksters puppeteering mankind.

I agree.
I think the Vril, R.A.Wilson, Crowley...etc, were "tuned" into the same frequency (LAM, Sirius, etc), even though Wilson later denounced his claims of telepathic communications with "extraterrestrial"/ trans-dimensional entities as nothing more than moderate hallucinogens and an over-active imagination.

I also agree with something nefarious manipulating man as their own personal marionette for their benefit and gain, as you stated, but what that is, or they are, I haven't reached a conclusion on yet.

What do you theorize?


Ps. To the OP: I apologize for hijacking your thread.

[n0x23]

Here's an interesting video...

Nazis-The Occult Conspiracy - Complete - 1:44:01 - 2007

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3688278981555458918&ei=wNOMSovGCoX-qAOFpvSWDw&q=nazis+the+occult+conspiracy&hl=en&client=firefox-a

[8bitagent]

That is exactly what I thought when I first saw them, that's one of the peculiarities that initially struck my interest.

I think we saw the same UFO Hunters episode. A show, I have to say was very solid in my opinion, probably the only UFO show on tv ever to take the subject seriously and put rigor into digging deep into every episode. Sadly, it got canned. (Did you see the one on Cattle Mutilations? Scary!) But yes, those girls certainly do not even look close to what the average German girl looked like. Very....odd.

I believe I've come across that information before, which is strange since Freemasonry is nothing more than Western Qabalahism at it's core, which is Jewish Mysticism, of course.

A not hidden secret at all is that Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma is heavily centered on Eastern Occultism, Jewish mysticism and Alchemy.
I don't know why there's this big shameful reaction in connecting Masonry to occult studies with some people. Even the most bare bones Masonry For Dummies book will be riddled with Egyptian mystery school and sacred math. But despite being a "southern civil war general", Albert Pike was a damn smart guy. His take extrapolation of Eastern esotericism is quite the mind fuck.

Nor would Freemasonry be at odds with the Eastern, or Western Hermeticism that Blavatsky wrote about in The Secret Doctrine and Isis Unveiled, which Hitler reportedly keep copies of on his desk at all times (as did Einstein, or so I've read...), perhaps Hitler just really liked the idea of Blavatsky's/ Secret Chiefs/ White Brotherhood/ Hidden Masters ideology of the pending Root Race....or, perhaps is wasn't Freemasonry that he opposed, but those particular Masons, who were more than likely predominately Jewish and those who were congregating with the Jewish Masons...just a guess.

Hitler kept copies of Blavatsky? Wouldnt surprise me, he seemd to have a true adoration for Eastern inspired philosophy. I always found it incredible how obsessed the Nazis were with Tibet. Obviously this is more to do with the racist fueled occult teachings of the time than a genuine love of the Tibetan culture. (funny how some of the occult philosophy was loved by the eugenic sciences/racist elite crowd of the time)

This notion of some great white brotherhood/ascended masters/root race
seems completely contrived, yet for all intensive purposes does seem to be a strong drive within the Nazi belief system. Did you know that one of Blavatsky's biggest adepts was Ghandi himself? Both Ghandi biographers and Theosophical historians write extensively about this relationship and inspiration.

At one point, the Nazi government issued stamps and a big poster campaign showing a Jewish-Masonic-Communist illuminati like hand gripping the planet. "Hitler used conspiracy theories to fuel his madness" people say.
I find it ironic, because to me Hitler and the Nazis were puppets themselves of both a corporate, occult and globalist agenda. Hell there wouldnt have been a holocaust without IBM and Bayer. Now the Nazis had this traveling exhibit where they'd have makeshift Masonic temples with the skeletal remains of Masons they slaughtered. Skeletons dressed in Masonic aprons. They murdered over 30,000...this plus the great 19th Century American backlash against Freemasonry is why people get really upset when anyone talks about Masonry in an unflattering light(so odd that the third biggest political party at one time was the "Anti Masonic Party") Masonry is of course an esoteric template from which many offshoot black lodges have been formed, many based in part of Western Qabbalism. Its also sadly been used as a vehicle for nefarious works, like the Italian P2 Lodge. Or by corrupt British judges and authorities.

My research into Hitler and the Occult isn't that in depth, so I can't speak with any authority on the matter, but from what I have found there seems to be alot of contradictory information, the subject seems very speculative and convoluted.

Oh, it sounds like you've done enough research. Don't want to go losing your mind now:) And yeah, it's high weirdness enough without every two bit author mixing in his own fantasy disinfo into the "Nazi Occult" mythos.

Such as, Hitler being in the THULE Society, some say yes, others deny it. Then the claim of Hitler's involvement in the Occult, some say he was strongly influenced by it and other accounts claim that it was strictly Himmler's obsession and Hitler simply turned a blind eye to it, but privatley disavowed it as foolish and a waste of time and resources.

Hitler definitely was not in Thule. Folks like Himmler and others seemed to surround themselves more with that stuff. Many in the Nazi war machine just wanted to win, so from that angle they would employ every esoteric psi research and psuedo science they could get their hands on. For others in the party, it was a driving force. Though it's funny some researchers claim an entity spoke through Hitler after he nabbed the Lance of Longinus.

I agree.
I think the Vril, R.A.Wilson, Crowley...etc, were "tuned" into the same frequency (LAM, Sirius, etc), even though Wilson later denounced his claims of telepathic communications with "extraterrestrial"/ trans-dimensional entities as nothing more than moderate hallucinogens and an over-active imagination.

I don't believe Robert Wilson was a medium at all, he might have had some Forteana in his time...but when you talk of tapping into that sort of
current, I'd say you're talking....Dee, Bailey, Roerich, Sarah Winchester,
Crowley, Jack Parsons, Olcott, and at some point even Edward Cayce.
(Why is it "The Nine" messages smacked of racism?)

I also agree with something nefarious manipulating man as their own personal marionette for their benefit and gain, as you stated, but what that is, or they are, I haven't reached a conclusion on yet.

What do you theorize?

Ain't that the can of words? Well, lest I be accused of being some evangelical fundie, I would say it's the usual suspects. Presenting itself as many things depending on the era or culture or interpretation.

It is something that has fed off fear and negative energy like a crack addict. Something that does not come from some planet, as much as there may be evidence of structures on moons and planets. That which lies, tricks, and plants apocalyptic visions into people's minds and has a really sick sense of humor.

showing up as flying ships, or as the "voice of God" to a would be suicide jihadist bomber...its all meant to obfuscate, confuse and tap into a very ancient part of the brain. And sadly, ain't noway in hell no "God" or "Jesus" going to save anyone.

Now, I wonder what Aleister Crowley would think if he was alive today, and learned that his four prime Qabbalist Magick numbers just so coincidentally happened to be the four planes used on 9/11?
If you look into the woo woo antics of Parsons and L Ron Hubbard, the numbers 9 and 11 keep coming up.

Yeah, the world is that freaking weird...ain't no military or corporation in the world could be behind all the high weirdness going on.

As for the true puppeteers...
this is what the Nazis were looking for, what 1960's-80's US Army Psi researchers wanted, and what Dee inadvertently plugged into, and what is above what the conspiracy theorists would call the "NWO". The ability to manipulate ALL governments, Islamic extremists, and criminal networks into being rats in a maze. From the bloodthirsty
elite of sacrificial Latin American countries and African rulers to European monarchy and empires vast and small, to quote the title, we've all been "Incidental pawns in a very large chess game"

[Sounder]

We are so much more than incidental pawns because the game and outcome depends on us. (The collective -us)

I enjoy reading old books, in an effort to get a feel of how new ideas were expressed before a modern gloss was constructed around the ideas. One book that I like is called; Industrial Chemistry of Colloidal & Amorphous Materials. This book, written in 1942, reads like a cookbook for the mixing of various materials. The authors were somewhat candid about their lack of theoretical understanding, while at the same time detailing the results of numerous processes. I assume it was written as an effort to support industry during WW2.

Early on in my internet travels I ran across a fellow that had interesting things to say about transistors. He had some credibility (to me) in that he ran a sizeable computer system sales operation. (Link is lost, sorry) He said that he was good friends with, Ted Shockley’s son and spent much time at their house. He was not impressed with Shockley’s intelligence and did not think that he really developed the transistor. He claimed that Bell Labs got the recipe from the govt.

Perhaps it’s true that this simply validates my pretence that our theoretical formulations are post hoc and piss poor for understanding reality, but then again humans in all their genius seem quite stupid as evidenced by our current world situation.

[psynapz]

Early on in my internet travels I ran across a fellow that had interesting things to say about transistors. He had some credibility (to me) in that he ran a sizeable computer system sales operation. (Link is lost, sorry) He said that he was good friends with, Ted Shockley’s son and spent much time at their house. He was not impressed with Shockley’s intelligence and did not think that he really developed the transistor. He claimed that Bell Labs got the recipe from the govt.

That would be American Computer Company, a company frozen in time back in 1998, still featuring a state-of-the-art $2199 Pentium II laptop.

[Sounder]

Thanks, but;

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Ted Shockly may have been an incidental pawn, but I will never concede to that and suggest that others here do the same.

[nathan28]

What is the source for that image? Considering that there are many actual leads into the Nazi-occult nexus (e.g., Thule, Ostara, Otto Rahn, etc.), it strikes me as odd that the Vril society--the most tenuous of them--gets so much attention.

[OP ED]

yeah, it's high weirdness enough without every 8 bit author mixing in his own fantasy disinfo into the "Nazi Occult" mythos.

corrected.

[OP ED]

What is the source for that image? Considering that there are many actual leads into the Nazi-occult nexus (e.g., Thule, Ostara, Otto Rahn, etc.), it strikes me as odd that the Vril society--the most tenuous of them--gets so much attention.

i saw it somewhere on the site when i was crawlin through it.
also elsewhere on the net. a google search shows it on many pages.

http://www.causa-nostra.com/

it gets attention because it has donations-based marketing.

[n0x23]

Did you see the one on Cattle Mutilations? Scary!

I've seen a couple.
Was that the one where they had that fat-ass Sheriff sit out in the middle of a field for a week, with a freshly dead cow to watch and record the natural decomposition and then at the end of the week, they claimed their cow had the same exact characteristics of the reported Cattle Mutilations, then as a result of their very scientific findings, claimed to have once and for all debunked the mutilations myth?


Cattle Mutilations?

Black helicopters with portable laser scalpels?
Seems it would make alot more sense to just utilize some out of the way Government owned land, raise-up their own head of cattle and start dissecting them to their heart's content.

UFOs harvesting the anus and lymph nodes?....ummm...that's just far too abstract for me at this moment.

One thing I do know is the Ranchers that are reporting these events have seen a dead cow before, maybe even two.
And then to have someone come along and tell these Ranchers "all it is is a dead cow, stupid", is like arguing with a 50 yr. old whore on the finer points of a blow-job.
I'm pretty sure she knows what the hell she's talking about!

Hitler kept copies of Blavatsky? Wouldnt surprise me, he seemd to have a true adoration for Eastern inspired philosophy. I always found it incredible how obsessed the Nazis were with Tibet. Obviously this is more to do with the racist fueled occult teachings of the time than a genuine love of the Tibetan culture. (funny how some of the occult philosophy was loved by the eugenic sciences/racist elite crowd of the time)

This notion of some great white brotherhood/ascended masters/root race
seems completely contrived, yet for all intensive purposes does seem to be a strong drive within the Nazi belief system. Did you know that one of Blavatsky's biggest adepts was Ghandi himself? Both Ghandi biographers and Theosophical historians write extensively about this relationship and inspiration.

This is where the waters start getting really murky.
The Vril Damens would communicate telepathically with the Sumi, (aka. the White Light God Race), that are from the Sumeran empire in the Aldebaran system, 68 light-years away in the constellation Taurus.

The Vril believed that their long hair acted as an antenna aiding them in magnifying their telepathic abilities.

They started to populate different planets that could sustain life, Mars being one of them, then much later, our very own Earth with the Sumis and the genetic Aryan mutations known as humans.

They "landed" in Mesopotamia and formed the caste of the Sumerians (aka. the Sumi from the Sumeran empire).
When Maria Orsic (the founder of the Vril), would ebter her state of trance and communicate with the Aldebaranian she would speak and write in a language that was almost identical to Sumerian/ Babylonian.

The Nazi-Tibetan connection is a result of Maria Orsic's telepathic contact and communications, which connects to Mesopotamia, Sumer, Iran, Babyalon, Nepal, which is connected to the Indo-Iranians and the Indo-Aryans, which connects to the Soma drinking Aryans who authored the Vedas and the Hindu deities, this then ties into the Indo Aryan, Sakya clan, which produced Shakyamuni Gautama (aka. the Supreme and Holy Enlightened One aka. the Buddha), which then connects to the Swastika that was predominantly displayed on the palm, heart or the pineal gland.

I would suggest that it was Guido von List and especially Eckardt who bastardized the teachings of an "superior" Aryan race (superior for the level of SPIRITUALISTIC attainment), by intentionally twisting, manipulating and misrepresenting the Vedantic philosophy from one of the White Light Illumination of Enlightenment, to the White Race of Superiority and these gullible, spirituality dead souls like Hitler and Himmler, swallowed this shit whole.


I didn't know that about Ghandi, but it makes sense, since that connects directly to the Vedas, (which Blavatsky plagiarized unabashedly and where she stole her idea of the Root Races), Hinduism and the Brahmin caste system, which is also a direct result of manipulating the Vedic teachings just as the Nazis did.

Ain't that the can of words? Well, lest I be accused of being some evangelical fundie, I would say it's the usual suspects. Presenting itself as many things depending on the era or culture or interpretation.

Yes, but what or who is it?
Humans using age-old slight of hand?
Ancient terrestrials, "invisible" life forms that we can not perceive within the range of our senses?
Extraterrestrials of superior intelligence and technologies?
Transdimensional beings that we can not even begin to conceive or comprehend?
Or, something else?

"Incidental pawns in a very large chess game"

Awesome, back on topic. Nice save!

[nathan28]

@nox: What is your source on the Vril society stuff?

[OP ED]

they have a website. also several fan sites.

he linked it on page one and i relinked three posts above...

[OP ED]

also the bulk of it, like most things, is available on the wiki Vril page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril_Society

and while you're there...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_occultism

[nathan28]

they have a website. also several fan sites.

he linked it on page one and i relinked three posts above...

I don't have an English-German dictionary anymore, and can't find the "Auf Englisch" button what with all that fancy script and pictures of cars.