One Giant Leap ... for Conspiramedia?

[8bitagent]

Its funny going back to youtube and seeing top conspiracy radio hosts Alex Jones and William Cooper in the summer of 2001 competing to see who can announce that "the government is about to launch a massive attack" and "blame it on Bin Laden". The June 19th 2001 William Cooper and July 25th 2001 broadcasts are interesting, because they both emphatically announce that the elite are about to stage massive attacks to eclipse the WTC 1993 and OKC 1995 attacks, all to blame on bin Laden. Alex Jones mentions how the Joint Chiefs had plans to hijack passenger airliners and crash them, and how bin Laden is part of a "phony Orwellian system", while his family "sits on the board of Iridium satellites and builds all the US bases in Saudi Arabia".

a huge announcement that represents a brand new and vitally important initiative against the forces of tyranny

To me, that reads like Jones' jargon for the launch of a new broadcast platform/network/soapbox. Bigger audience, more national exposure = "vitally important initiative...."

I don't know what Jones makes but it's probably not close to his earning potential in the current climate of crazy, since Glenn Beck's radio contract alone is worth $50 million.

Yeah at first I thought it was a big huge media conglomerate putting Alex Jones and company on some big national platform on tv, with the head of said company coming on the show to announce the partnership.
(Jones of course wouldnt realize that the only reason he'd be picked up and put on tv would be for the entertainment factor, and not some hidden desire to spread "the truth")

But then after seeing that youtube announcement, I wonder if it's a major major political figure.

My issue is, even if say, an Al Gore or other big name official came on Alex Jones and said "oh yeah, 9/11? Total inside job"...my suspicion would be that it wouldnt be because said official has "proof" or really believes that, but because they want one last hurrah in the spotlight.

Then again, given getting ANYWHERE near "9/11 Truth" is total kamikaze political suicide(ex: Van Jones) it'd be hard to imagine a big name politician doing so.

However, I could see, say a top politician going on Alex Jones and saying something like there's evidence Cheney was secretly allowing elements in Saudi Arabia to aid the hijackers, or something about standowns or complicity after the fact.

[8bitagent]

a huge announcement that represents a brand new and vitally important initiative against the forces of tyranny

To me, that reads like Jones' jargon for the launch of a new broadcast platform/network/soapbox. Bigger audience, more national exposure = "vitally important initiative...."

I don't know what Jones makes but it's probably not close to his earning potential in the current climate of crazy, since Glenn Beck's radio contract alone is worth $50 million.

I just thought of something.

MSNBC has been aggressively pushing this notion of "dangerous conspiracy theorists", and linking recent shootings to "conspiracy theorist gun nuts". The media did that too with Randy Weaver and Tim Mcveigh.

Would be curious if a major network put Alex Jones on national tv, to act as a counter to Glen Beck's sensationalism for ratings...and thus aiding in the idea of "dangerous conspiracy propaganda creating a hot bed of homegrown nuts"

[jingofever]

a huge announcement that represents a brand new and vitally important initiative against the forces of tyranny

To me, that reads like Jones' jargon for the launch of a new broadcast platform/network/soapbox. Bigger audience, more national exposure = "vitally important initiative...."

I don't know what Jones makes but it's probably not close to his earning potential in the current climate of crazy, since Glenn Beck's radio contract alone is worth $50 million.

Would be curious if a major network put Alex Jones on national tv, to act as a counter to Glen Beck's sensationalism for ratings...and thus aiding in the idea of "dangerous conspiracy propaganda creating a hot bed of homegrown nuts"

Some plausible speculation is a deal with the Dish Network.

[compared2what?]

Alex Jones produces media that's an untrustworthy, emotionally manipulative, inflammatory, divisive and counterproductive. He makes his living keeping people stirred up, distracted, and marching in circles. His political orientation is regressive, reactionary and bigoted. The only political atmosphere in which he can flourish is made out of such inherently unstable elements that he has to keep up a steady stream of synthetic gassy emissions** to compensate for what he'd lose to either dissipation or combustion in a natural environment just in order to get it to cohere in large enough quantities to be suitable for industrial use.

He has never ever been the force behind -- or even had a significant influence on -- a single solitary positive political achievement or provided a single solitary tangible benefit or essential service to the community he purports to represent. Not one. Ever.

Other than, of course, to provide them with the exact same information that they could easily have acquired themselves from open-source materials just by regularly making a modest effort to keep themselves well-informed, except minus the tasty mixture of artificial preservatives, button-pushing, bells, whistles, wild insinuations, unverifiable claims and -- oh, yeah -- falsehoods (plus whatever the secret ingredient that makes special sauce special is) that you know you can count on when you make the Alex Jones Brand informational product lines one of your main sources for crucially important information.

I'm not kidding. He's nothing but a blight on the media landscape. Fucking boycott his earth-shattering and suspense-filled-by-design revelations if you want to make a difference for the better. I'm sure the informational part of it will be fully available elsewhere within half an hour at most. And if it isn't so urgent that Alex Jones appears to feel an obligation to spit it out in any particular rush, I'm equally sure it'll be just as informational thirty minutes after his hit rate peaks as it was at the time.

**(Formula: Using a sterile glass beaker, carefully add one part fear-based anger (liquid form) to two parts anger-based alienation (powder form), stir gently approx. ten minutes, then cover and do not disturb for three hours; emissions formed will reach final gassiness in approx. six hours. WARNING Keep mixture away from excessive heat or ventilation; avoid all direct contact with skin)

[JackRiddler]

Alex Jones produces media that's an untrustworthy, emotionally manipulative, inflammatory, divisive and counterproductive. He makes his living keeping people stirred up, distracted, and marching in circles. His political orientation is regressive, reactionary and bigoted. The only political atmosphere in which he can flourish is made out of such inherently unstable elements that he has to keep up a steady stream of synthetic gassy emissions** to compensate for what he'd lose to either dissipation or combustion in a natural environment just in order to get it to cohere in large enough quantities to be suitable for industrial use.

He has never ever been the force behind -- or even had a significant influence on -- a single solitary positive political achievement or provided a single solitary tangible benefit or essential service to the community he purports to represent. Not one. Ever.

Other than, of course, to provide them with the exact same information that they could easily have acquired themselves from open-source materials just by regularly making a modest effort to keep themselves well-informed, except minus the tasty mixture of artificial preservatives, button-pushing, bells, whistles, wild insinuations, unverifiable claims and -- oh, yeah -- falsehoods (plus whatever the secret ingredient that makes special sauce special is) that you know you can count on when you make the Alex Jones Brand informational product lines one of your main sources for crucially important information.

I'm not kidding. He's nothing but a blight on the media landscape. Fucking boycott his earth-shattering and suspense-filled-by-design revelations if you want to make a difference for the better. I'm sure the informational part of it will be fully available elsewhere within half an hour at most. And if it isn't so urgent that Alex Jones appears to feel an obligation to spit it out in any particular rush, I'm equally sure it'll be just as informational thirty minutes after his hit rate peaks as it was at the time.

**(Formula: Using a sterile glass beaker, carefully add one part fear-based anger (liquid form) to two parts anger-based alienation (powder form), stir gently approx. ten minutes, then cover and do not disturb for three hours; emissions formed will reach final gassiness in approx. six hours. WARNING Keep mixture away from excessive heat or ventilation; avoid all direct contact with skin)

Can we create a board function that appends c2w?'s above words automatically to every single mention of Alex Jones henceforth? Because I can't imagine anyone adding anything to it, or saying it better. Perfection should be rewarded.

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[8bitagent]

a huge announcement that represents a brand new and vitally important initiative against the forces of tyranny

To me, that reads like Jones' jargon for the launch of a new broadcast platform/network/soapbox. Bigger audience, more national exposure = "vitally important initiative...."

I don't know what Jones makes but it's probably not close to his earning potential in the current climate of crazy, since Glenn Beck's radio contract alone is worth $50 million.

Would be curious if a major network put Alex Jones on national tv, to act as a counter to Glen Beck's sensationalism for ratings...and thus aiding in the idea of "dangerous conspiracy propaganda creating a hot bed of homegrown nuts"

Some plausible speculation is a deal with the Dish Network.

I've also heard people speculate it will be a former Bush insider, someone like Tom Ridge come out for 9/11 Truth.

The youtube video makes it sound like its regarding a major name, and given the timing it most likely would be 9/11 related

But the the article makes it sound more like a sort of initiative/user participated media effort.

[Sweejak]

And what do people here think of Jack Blood? I've actually been on air with him, and he was a very gracious host, not barging over his guests like AJ does, but aside from being personally likable, I don't know that much about his politics.

Blood is much, much easier to listen to, I was on his show years ago with Poet Rick Burnley and it was a pleasure.

Politics? He used to identify himself as paleo-conservative which sounds kinda funny for a former punk rocker but I don't know about now. I'd bet it's shifted since then. I'm with him on most issues.

As far as the Austin radio scene there is a whole lot of content RBN, GCN, KAOS, AFR, and more. I have no idea what's going on but it's obvious that there is a lot of infighting and intrigue.

Most any radio interview type shows are only as good as their guests. I'd listen to Beck if he'd put on Edmunds and actually give her room to speak.

I listen mostly to KAOS/AntiWar but wish Scott would change up guests a little more. And I'll plug Smiles show with Mack White which I almost always catch on Sundays.

[8bitagent]

My guess?
No doubt due to the timing, it will be 9/11 related in some way.

1. Alex will announce he's joining a major cable network, and will have a big media mogul on the show to congradulate him as Alex also mentions a big "patriot/truther" new inititative to "defeat the globalists!!!"

2. Alex will have on an A-list top box office actor to help kick off
some "celebrities for truth!"(tm) effort or some crap

3. Alex will have on a huge political name noone saw coming with some apparent "9/11 bombshell", and an announcement will be made of a huge march on washington or some sort of thing.

*EDIT*
I think C2W is somewhat right, and in my mind it's hard to imagine anything AJ could do or say to begin to repair the negative image a lot of people have of him from within the activist/deep state awareness circle.

But certainly, given Jone's professional new look and such I wouldnt be surprised if its some tv announcement or mainstream media related.

[Sweejak]

Well he said it would be a series of stories. I doubt it would be something like announcing more of Alex, I mean the guy is nonstop already.

An actor coming out has already been done.

I don't think it'll be about 9-11 CD stuff.

[8bitagent]

Btw Sweejak:

Any radio shows you recommend?

The only real good deep state radio shows I recall were
Michael Corbin's 4 A Closer Look, Guns and Butter, and now and then Democracy Now.

Well he said it would be a series of stories. I doubt it would be something like announcing more of Alex, I mean the guy is nonstop already.

An actor coming out has already been done.

I don't think it'll be about 9-11 CD stuff.

Well the timing certainly is no coincidence, just 3 days before 9/11. And 9/11 has for 8 years been Alex Jone's main topic and obsession.

It could be a Tom Ridge type Bush official coming out with some sort of crazy information re: 9/11, or something. If it is a former big name official I'd imagine it'd be a Republican. But yeah, the celebrity thing he's done already. Even if Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise and Will Smith went on AJ's show to me that wouldn't be any sort of news.

To me former CIA, politicians, etc. would be much bigger news than the opinion of some actor...even tho it.

[compared2what?]

Im willing to bet this will be quite a humdinger of a whistleblower.
Like a John Kerry, Colin Powell, etc. level of person "coming out for not incompetence/unanswered questions/lihop, but full on mihop"...

Which would be tantamount to Karl Rove 'leaking' the Dubya cocaine story to Jim Hatfield.

Or the forged documents to Dan Rather.

There's not any very persuasive reason to think that they were forged. Or that they weren't. The only thing you can say with certainty about the authenticity of those documents is that it's not ascertainable because they were copies rather than originals. Which is exactly what the linked article does say, as a matter of fact. It just says it in an extra-Byzantine way. Which might be an interesting augury wrt to what CBS is going to have to admit to under oath, albeit as far on the whispy side of "might be" as it's possible to go without just crossing over into totally arbitrary speculation.

But more to the point....Well. I don't really want to bash Wayne Madsen around. Because even though there's almost always has a certain amount of hit-and-miss in his reporting....Well. Res ipsa loquitur, I guess: It therefore almost always has a certain amount of hit. Nevertheless, on this one, I have to say that I'd find it virtually inconceivable that any of the possibly three anonymous CBS insiders who'd even be in a position to know the provenance of those dox with as much exactitude as the anonymous CBS insiders who told Wayne Madsen that they'd come from GOP dirty-tricksters with font-altering scanners*** would ever in a million years talk about it to anyone under any circumstances that weren't covered by attorney-client privilege, even if what they'd told him wasn't highly questionable in itself.

Which it was, always has been, and always will be for as long as anyone alleges that the inauthenticity of those documents can be determined by the font. It can't. Because the font of a typed document can't be clearly determined from a second-generation copy. Period. End of story. Can't be done. Red herring. In addition to which, there's no need to go to such lengths to explain how a Freeper got his hands on them so fast. Dan Bartlett not only had them in advance of broadcast, he knew more or less what CBS had to back them up, having done an on-camera interview in which he was specifically asked to respond to the allegations on which that back-up was based.

Which is not to say either that they mightn't have come from GOP operatives, or that they were authentic. There's no conclusive evidence on either of those points. (As far as I'm aware, there's no evidence at all on the first one, but it's sure as hell possible.)

And may Jim Hatfield rest in peace while Rove, Allbaugh and I forget his third source rot in hell for setting him up and then knocking him to his death, whether directly or indirectly, I'd like to add.
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[Jeff]

There is a new journalist joining infowars?

kinda...

[url=http://www.prisonplanet.com/twenty-minutes-with-the-president.html[/url]Charlie Sheen interviews Obama[/url]


[on edit:]

Fish! Made ya look!

[Searcher08]

Well, this is some kinda breakthrough. Sheen did keep pretty focused and was quite dogged.

Obama however, was using his TeflonPlus MagicWordz Skillz (conversational Ericksonian hypnosis) and the events left with Charlie looking a Charlie.

It was like watching the Scoopy Doo team being buried under an avalanche of small fur-fringed mirrors.

It was like The Hardy Boys unexpectedly ending up in a leather bar.


But he did mention Sibel - and the significance of Sheen being able to do that is HUGE.

[Jeff]

But he did mention Sibel

Before I read the transcript I was prepared to be dismissive, but Sheen did well, hit some important points and stood his ground respectfully.

Obama quoting PNAC verbatim on a new Pearl Harbor was...unexpected.

[sunny]

Alex Jones produces media that's an untrustworthy, emotionally manipulative, inflammatory, divisive and counterproductive. He makes his living keeping people stirred up, distracted, and marching in circles. His political orientation is regressive, reactionary and bigoted. The only political atmosphere in which he can flourish is made out of such inherently unstable elements that he has to keep up a steady stream of synthetic gassy emissions** to compensate for what he'd lose to either dissipation or combustion in a natural environment just in order to get it to cohere in large enough quantities to be suitable for industrial use.

He has never ever been the force behind -- or even had a significant influence on -- a single solitary positive political achievement or provided a single solitary tangible benefit or essential service to the community he purports to represent. Not one. Ever.

Other than, of course, to provide them with the exact same information that they could easily have acquired themselves from open-source materials just by regularly making a modest effort to keep themselves well-informed, except minus the tasty mixture of artificial preservatives, button-pushing, bells, whistles, wild insinuations, unverifiable claims and -- oh, yeah -- falsehoods (plus whatever the secret ingredient that makes special sauce special is) that you know you can count on when you make the Alex Jones Brand informational product lines one of your main sources for crucially important information.

I'm not kidding. He's nothing but a blight on the media landscape. Fucking boycott his earth-shattering and suspense-filled-by-design revelations if you want to make a difference for the better. I'm sure the informational part of it will be fully available elsewhere within half an hour at most. And if it isn't so urgent that Alex Jones appears to feel an obligation to spit it out in any particular rush, I'm equally sure it'll be just as informational thirty minutes after his hit rate peaks as it was at the time.

**(Formula: Using a sterile glass beaker, carefully add one part fear-based anger (liquid form) to two parts anger-based alienation (powder form), stir gently approx. ten minutes, then cover and do not disturb for three hours; emissions formed will reach final gassiness in approx. six hours. WARNING Keep mixture away from excessive heat or ventilation; avoid all direct contact with skin)

Can we create a board function that appends c2w?'s above words automatically to every single mention of Alex Jones henceforth? Because I can't imagine anyone adding anything to it, or saying it better. Perfection should be rewarded.

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This, and this.