Original PI owner gives up, gives to whack jobs

[elfismiles]

:oops: Uhm... could someone please explain what you guys are talking about? Are you talking about the DU forum site, a different forum site with initials PI, or was PI a subforum of DU?

PI was Progressive Independent but is no longer progressive or independent, far from it, they are flying under a false flag and have stolen the artwork of a friend of mine.

Thanks Cuda and SLaD.

Bummer...

[bks]

DoYouEverWonder wrote:

Since I've managed to get myself stuck in the middle of this mess, I believe people deserve to know a few basic facts that effect everybody here.

The site is now under the administration of the remaining membership. They have access to the website files and they have rearranged, deleted and edited many of the posts and threads on the forum. They also have access to everyone's account info.

This is a breach of trust and the agreement we signed when we joined the forum.

I can't recall if I ever joined that forum. I don't think I ever posted, if I did join. Can't recall.

Are you saying that if I did join, and supplied an email address and personal profile information, that it's currently available to anyone else who is a member?

Who is responsible for letting that happen, DYEW?

[stillrobertpaulsen]

One site has no sense of civility, the other has no sense of sanity.

Thanks! I think? I assumed we were the crazy, polite ones, but now I'm wondering if we're the mean, rational ones.

Oh no, I'm referring to Progressive Independent and Democratic Underground. With Rigorous Intuition, I would use the words rational, polite and crazy like a fox. I have yet to encounter meanness here to the degree I've seen on the other two sites. I get my kicks where I can, but I recognize their limitations.

To be honest, I'm being too generous and polite toward DU and PI. Neither site has civility or sanity, and I post on both. Not sure what that says about me.

[chlamor]

Oh Hi. SLAD does slander. What a surprise.

Here's a bit from one of the "whackjobs" describing the latest uproar:

I think that the real problem we have on this forum, right now is that too many folks want to make every discussion about themselves. They want to make sure that everyone understands how great they are and how they are truly knowledgeable and enlightened. When the real issues are life and death, out there in the world. I don't give a damn who drives what car, or who feels like their feelings have been hurt on a message board, or whether or not someone can be tripped-up in a debate! None of that shit means a hill of beans - to anyone except the "everything is about me!" crowd. You are right about me being, what was it, "defeatist" about making changes within the system - it will never happen. The very closest this country ever came to real change was in the thirties when the leftists and the workers rose up and threatened the government, the society, and all that entails - then the government made concessions. The people of this country have to threaten the foundations of the establishment for any change to occur - an, frankly, I don't see that happening. What chance is there out in the world if on a board like this, every leftist stand has to be defended, ad infinitum.

- Dhalgren

The "everything is about me" crowd is exactly you Kate.

[chlamor]

The site is now under the administration of the remaining membership. They have access to the website files and they have rearranged, deleted and edited many of the posts and threads on the forum. They also have access to everyone's account info.

This is a breach of trust and the agreement we signed when we joined the forum.

You mean everyone left now has administrative privilege?

I'm sorry to see what's happened over there, and shocked that it has. It looks now like a bullying parody of a Leninist death cult.

Bullshit Jeff.

Your comment is ignorant. Kate and DYEW are blatant liars.

Your knowledge of what happened is most likely very scant at best. Sorry but those of us who detest the status quo and are for socialism aren't too keen on those who defend the status quo. Now why don't you actually find out what went down before you too assert reactionary drivel. Oh, wait- too late you already did.

[JackRiddler]

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Well, this is likely to get nasty and I feel very little stake in it.

Right now something genuinely interesting is happening at PI (that I am aware of), and that's the threads providing close readings of Marx's Capital.

What is value?
http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dc ... _id=100854

Reading Capital, continued (thread #2)...
http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dc ... _id=101186

etc.

[Jeff]

[chlamor]

The site is now under the administration of the remaining membership. They have access to the website files and they have rearranged, deleted and edited many of the posts and threads on the forum. They also have access to everyone's account info.

This is a breach of trust and the agreement we signed when we joined the forum.

You mean everyone left now has administrative privilege?

I'm sorry to see what's happened over there, and shocked that it has. It looks now like a bullying parody of a Leninist death cult.

And since you are being such a reactionary tool Jeff why don't we use a quote from Lenin:

"We are marching in a compact group along a precipitous and difficult path, firmly holding each other by the hand. We are surrounded on all sides by enemies, and we have to advance almost constantly under their fire. We have combined, by a freely adopted decision, for the purpose of fighting the enemy, and not of retreating into the neighbouring marsh, the inhabitants of which, from the very outset, have reproached us with having separated ourselves into an exclusive group and with having chosen the path of struggle instead of the path of conciliation. And now some among us begin to cry out: Let us go into the marsh! And when we begin to shame them, they retort: What backward people you are! Are you not ashamed to deny us the liberty to invite you to take a better road! Oh, yes, gentlemen! You are free not only to invite us, but to go yourselves wherever you will, even into the marsh. In fact, we think that the marsh is your proper place, and we are prepared to render you every assistance to get there. Only let go of our hands, don’t clutch at us and don’t besmirch the grand word freedom, for we too are “free” to go where we please, free to fight not only against the marsh, but also against those who are turning towards the marsh!"

Lenin, What Is To Be Done?, “Dogmatism And ‘Freedom of Criticism’” (1901)

What Is To Be Done?

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/

[chlamor]

So a comic book is your default cop-out comment after your reactionary non-evidence based slur?

[Jeff]

In case you missed the reference:

This is a discussion board, not the Justice League.

Though if every PI member's personal data is compromised, you no longer have secret identities.

[chlamor]

In case you missed the reference:

This is a discussion board, not the Justice League.

Though if every PI member's personal data is compromised, you no longer have secret identities.

That's a lie. Did you believe it?

You run this site right? How much personal info do you have on each poster?

[DoYouEverWonder]

In case you missed the reference:

This is a discussion board, not the Justice League.

Though if every PI member's personal data is compromised, you no longer have secret identities.

It would depend upon what info you gave the site when you sign up. Some people take precautions and some don't and use their real names and regular email accounts. However, there are also IP addresses issues.

[Jeff]

You run this site right? How much personal info do you have on each poster?

I'd consider it a breach of trust if I gave any of it up.

And in so much as I have my hackles up, it's not the politics, it's the exclusionary jargon.

[DancingBear]

Sorry clammie,

DYEW is spot on, and you're one of the biggest phonies on this planet.

You and your Gang Of Six are illogical, lack any sort of critical thinking skills (unless they're wrapped around Marx, which is a contradiction in terms), are hopelessly unwilling to engage in any dialogue that shakes your illogical perceptions, and are prone (in your case at least) to condemn individuals with such brilliant retorts as "you're a fucking tool" or "I fucking hate rich people" or any of the other kindergarden pearls that pour forth from your keyboard.

You turned PI into a circle-jerk, the members are leaving in droves, you actually have "classes" on Marxism being 'taught" by a self-professed "expert", and you STILL haven't managed to come up with one concrete idea to move forward, unless you think condemning everyone who doesn't buy into Lockstep Nation is a positive step.

We see where you're going, and we don't like ideological fascism on either side of the aisle, although you seem quite enamored with it.

Say, how's that membership drive going??

The site is now under the administration of the remaining membership. They have access to the website files and they have rearranged, deleted and edited many of the posts and threads on the forum. They also have access to everyone's account info.

This is a breach of trust and the agreement we signed when we joined the forum.

You mean everyone left now has administrative privilege?

I'm sorry to see what's happened over there, and shocked that it has. It looks now like a bullying parody of a Leninist death cult.

Bullshit Jeff.

Your comment is ignorant. Kate and DYEW are blatant liars.

Your knowledge of what happened is most likely very scant at best. Sorry but those of us who detest the status quo and are for socialism aren't too keen on those who defend the status quo. Now why don't you actually find out what went down before you too assert reactionary drivel. Oh, wait- too late you already did.

[Tinoire]

Gee, what a surprise. It's unbelievable what two people with too much time on their idle hands can come up with. Don't you guys have more important things to do with your time during this unbelievable breakdown in our country when so many people are hurting and homeless?


DoYouEverWonder, you are a dishonest person. Why don't you tell everyone how as an Admin, you betrayed our trust, shut the other two Admins out of the Admin panel and reinvited a bunch of whacked, banned posters you'd been colluding with to support your coup to prevent the site from living up to its original purpose of being a haven for LEFTISTS.

Go ahead, explain how you grew to hate anyone challenging your support of the free market and challenging you to examine capitalism more closely to help our country get out of this economic mess.

Go ahead and explain to this site your weird conspiracy theory about another Admin being a Zionist simply because he took you to task over your fixation with spreading the 21st century equivalent of Jews-drink-the-blood-of-Christian-children with your Rabbis peddling organs story. Or how the Leftists there are really rightwingers because you (think you) saw one of them talk to a rightwinger on another board.

Go ahead and explain to this site, how even when you were confronted by one of the Admins you demoted, you lied through your teeth and continued lying through your teeth digging yourself deeper and deeper in the hole until you were cornered into finally admitting a fraction of the truth on the board.

And SLAD, you're just plain crazy. That crazy Bhagwan stuff and the other bizarre stuff you posted at PI has eaten away your mind. It's not even worth the time it takes to acknowledge your nonsense since it's as distasteful as that huge blue crayon you use when you throw a temper tantrum and decide that your drama is the most important thing on the entire internet.

How many more forums are the two of you going to get kicked off of for exactly the same behavior and malicious lies that got you kicked off DU?

You're both loathesome and wretched liars. Especially you DYEW. You know precisely what information we have on members in our databases. An e-mail address, whatever name they want to share and their moniker. Most of those e-mail addresses are from free accounts and the name fields are blank but you'll stoop at nothing to exact some revenge after your silly coup failed.

The good news, and for this I really have to thank you, is that your coup resulted in a beneficial Spring Cleaning and PI can focus on its original business of being a haven where the Political Left can talk in peace and in depth.






For the rest of you, contrary to the malicious lies here, I have not ahem *given up*, I recently became involved with 2 organizations trying to alleviate some problems in Latin America (Orphans and neglected animals) that require more of my time as I prepare to move down there to volunteer full-time. I am also battling a minor health problem I prefer to keep private.

I reinstated the 2 Admins that DYEW so viciously looked out of the Admin panel and asked 3 more trusted people to work with us. Their work is mostly focused on redesigning certain things for our transition to a new software system and cleaning up the unbelievable mess of childish posts the coup cohorts littered serious threads with.

It was not surprising to us that the more we talked about economics and socio-economic solutions to the mess our country and world are in, the louder the frenzy to shut those leftists up became. Red-baiting began in earnest and this latest is just another sorry chapter of America's intolerance for people who would like to see our system reformed.


Capitalism. A Love Story. Coming soon to a theater near you.




Some of our members have their own thoughts about this mess here: http://www.progressiveindependent.com/d ... _id=102000

Jeff, I have never had any quarrel with you. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me directly. I've already devoted too much time to this silliness.