Settler Rabbi's Guidelines on When to Kill Gentiles

[8bitagent]

The Taliban philosophy is not as full of hate as this

So what, their stepping up of slaughtering whole villages and maiming/killing young girls is an act of love?

The Taliban, whatever darkness seems to be protecting and coddling them, is definitely quite disturbing.

As for the OP, you have violent extremists in every religious sect it seems.

[Nordic]

For instance, I can imagine how important context might have become if the original post had been the story of a Hamas leader exorting the murder of all Jews.

That's purely theoretical, since no Hamas leader, or any other "Islamic" leader has ever called for the "murder of all Jews", nor is that even conceivable, given the status of Judaism as one of the three divine religions (created by the Big Kahuna Himself) in Islam.

The context here is, first of all what MacCruisken said, ie that it we're not talking about some wacko blowing hot air, this is a rabbi preaching to vicious, armed, racist colonial settlers with a long track record of committing atrocities against innocent people, under the protection of a racist state and an army that also regularly and systematically commits horrific crimes against civilians (including children!) SOLELY because they are not Jews. All financed by American taxpayers and under the smug and self-righteously hypocritical protection of governments like the one in Canada.

Secondly, the context is that there has been a massive campaign to demonize say, President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad, by falsely attributing to him the exact sort of ugly naked racism that is so blithely ignored where it really exists, at the very core of zionism and in the daily practices of the zionist state.

So, the context here is that even supposedly "respectable" media have repeated and repeated ad nauseum the lie that President Ahmedinejad has called for "the murder of all Jews", and repeated the equally outrageous and false lie that Hezbullah's Secretary General has called for "the murder of all Jews", while remaining remarkably silent about the FREQUENT actual calls for the murder of NON Jews (aka cockroaches, lice, vermin endangering the "Jewish character" of the "Jewish state" with their "demographic bomb") by many prominent zionist religious, political and military leaders -- who are not only capable of, but are actually in the process of acting on their genocidal urges. (Ref. the sadistic and criminal starvation siege of Gaza, the use of depleted uranium, phosphorous bombs, DIME weapons, deprivation of water to the "non-Chosen", indiscriminate killing, destruction of factories, crops, olive groves, schools, hospitals, ambulances, home demolitions, and systematic deprivation of HUMAN rights to non-Jews in the Judeo-supremacist state.)

That's the context.

Thank you for once again brilliantly stating the obvious.

It's a messed-up world when "the obvious" is so elusive and has to be handed to us by someone who doesn't even live in this country.

Imagine had this been a Christian right-winger who said this. Everybody would be going nuts over it, and there wouldn't be any calls for "context" whatsoever.

[Searcher08]

The Taliban philosophy is not as full of hate as this

So what, their stepping up of slaughtering whole villages and maiming/killing young girls is an act of love?

The Taliban, whatever darkness seems to be protecting and coddling them, is definitely quite disturbing.

As for the OP, you have violent extremists in every religious sect it seems.

For sure. I am not being a Taliban apologist by any stretch of the imagination. They represent a type of Islam which was a million miles away from the much more gentle Sufi influenced philosophy that was present in Afghanistan before their creation. My point was that it is important to actively look for the differences as well as the similarities of nutbars, otherwise we may be missing valuable info by treating them as just one thing, in the same way I did by seeing Israeli politics as just lump when it is a lot more complex and fractured than that.

From what I have read, responses saying this was just an obscure guy tinkering with an obscure theology are pretty disingenuous as Halacha seems to be analogous to Sharia law (according to Wiki) and by it's nature is meant to apply to every aspect of daily life.

[8bitagent]

For sure. I am not being a Taliban apologist by any stretch of the imagination. They represent a type of Islam which was a million miles away from the much more gentle Sufi influenced philosophy that was present in Afghanistan before their creation. My point was that it is important to actively look for the differences as well as the similarities of nutbars, otherwise we may be missing valuable info by treating them as just one thing, in the same way I did by seeing Israeli politics as just lump when it is a lot more complex and fractured than that.

From what I have read, responses saying this was just an obscure guy tinkering with an obscure theology are pretty disingenuous as Halacha seems to be analogous to Sharia law (according to Wiki) and by it's nature is meant to apply to every aspect of daily life.

Naw, I hear ya.

I just think as fellow anti war folks with a keen eye from disseminating government lies and propaganda; we may not realize the sheer depravity
some of the "bad guys" really do engage in. Of course, I don't believe in war and don't believe in sending young troops to face off against young men brainwashed into jihad(by what I believe are ultimately the same forces) One of the core agendas of the US invasion of Afghanistan seems to be ultimately the destabilization of Pakistan.

You are quite right about the Sufi influence in Afghanistan; and if you draw back just a few centuries ago Afghanistan had it's own esoteric enlightenment and secret societies.

In researching the aims of modern Salafism, Wahhabism and Qutbism it all seems engineered to create militant dupes for a strategy of tension.

Finally you're right in pointing out that his message isn't some obscure black sheep ideology, as much as it's of course not mainstream.
We still see people who'll give you mean stares for pointing out Israeli war crimes, as if defending Palestinians means you hate Jews/support terrorists:)

[American Dream]

Here is an article that raises some concerns about Sufism and the Global War of Terror, er-on Terror. I wouldn't claim to have an informed enough opinion to fully evaluate all the author's arguments, but I think it may be of interest, just the same.

SUFIS AND NEOCONS
The Global War on Terrorism's Strangest of Bedfellows

by Sarkis Pogossian, World War 4 Report

It was none other than neocon whiz kid and former undersecretary of defense Douglas J. Feith (along with Justin Polin, a sidekick from the Hudson Institute) who favorably invoked the Sufis in a New York Times op-ed about Pakistan this March 30. The attack on sufism by Pakistan's neo-Taliban receives practically no coverage in the international media—until war propagandists seize on it for their own cynical purposes.

The piece, entitled "Radio-Free Swat Valley," noted that earlier that month presumed Taliban forces bombed the shrine of revered Pashtun poet Rahman Baba (born c. 1650). The writers noted: "The bombers took aim at the poet's shrine because it represented Sufism, the mystical form of Islam that has long been predominant in India and Pakistan. They praised Sufism's legacy of "tolerance, devotion and love" that the "extremists are determined to destroy." It closed with a verse of Rahman Baba's "Sow Flowers":

Sow flowers to make a garden bloom around you,

The thorns you sow will prick your own feet.

Arrows shot at others

Will return to hit you as they fall.

You yourself will come to teeter on the lip

Of a well dug to undermine another.


The writers called for the US to fund a Pashtun radio network akin to Radio Free Europe, to promote this kind of Islam as an alternative to Taliban orthodoxy.

Of course, the very last thing that Rahman Baba and his contemporary adherents need is for his voice to be co-opted as an instrument of US propaganda. Pakistan's Sufis are doubtless astute enough to grasp the surreal irony of Feith—a key architect of the Iraq adventure, and advocate of spreading the war to Iran—quoting the pacifistic verse of an 18th century Sufi poet...

Continues at: http://ww4report.com/node/7502

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[AlicetheKurious]

Searcher said:

Halacha seems to be analogous to Sharia law (according to Wiki)

In that case, Wiki is full of shit.

First of all, the Qur'an is very clear about the divine source of the Jewish and Christian religions:

Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews and Christians and Sabians, those among them who believe in God and the Last Day and did righteousness will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.

[They are] those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right, for no cause except that they say "our Lord is God." Had God not checked one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues and mosques, in which the name of God is commemorated in abundant measure. God will certainly aid those who aid His cause, for verily God is full of strength, exalted in might, able to enforce his Will.

Shari'a is the body of laws derived first and foremost from the Qur'an, and secondly from the Sunna, which is the record of the Prophet Mohammad's words and deeds according to his contemporary Companions.

"Islamic" cults like the Wahhabi cult that has been deliberately spread by Western powers and imposed via petro-billion$ by their stooges the Saudi "royal" family, rely heavily on much more dubious sources like various Hadiths, a voluminous body of supposed sayings and actions of the Prophet recorded many centuries after he had died. It is these Hadiths that are the source of almost all of the more bizarre and twisted 'fatwas' we hear about. Many of these specifically contradict the principles laid out in the Qur'an, which in Islam is the actual word of God and therefore infallible.

The Qur'an specifically says that there should be no intermediary and no interpreter between God and each individual worshiper. In other words, there is no priesthood in Islam. Each worshiper is required to seek God through the Qur'an (His word) and through rational knowledge and understanding of the natural world and its inhabitants (His creation). The role of Muslim scholars is to advise and explain, but the ultimate responsibility for understanding, for accepting or rejecting the advice or explanation, lies with the individual worshiper.

Nominally Islamic "cults" like the Wahhabi cult violate this principle, by creating a class of priests who set themselves up as intermediaries, issuing binding interpretations and decrees based on their own choice of sources, including some that have little or no historical validity.

There are many genuine, conscientious scholars of Islam, some of them truly outstanding, like Gamal el Banna, who have developed a very strong following among more educated and intellectually-independent Muslims -- but these have not the huge financial backing and media celebrity enjoyed by less scrupulous 'televangelists' who have amassed vast fortunes and been appointed to prestigious positions by tailoring their religious interpretations to the requirements of powerful political and/or business interests.

Shari'a NEVER, under no circumstances, permits the murder of women or children, and forbids initiating aggression. Shari'a commands that Muslims revere the prophets of the Jews and the Christians, including Jesus Christ, and protect Jews and Christians as "people of the Book".

“God forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loveth those who are just!

God only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.”

Abu Bakr al Siddiq, the Prophet Mohammad's father-in-law, closest Companion and administrator of the political affairs of the earliest Muslims, issued this famous decree to his top military commander:

“I prescribe ten commandments to you: do not kill a woman, a child, or an old man, do not cut down fruitful trees, do not destroy inhabited areas, do not slaughter any sheep, cow or camel except for food, do not burn date palms, nor inundate them, do not embezzle, nor be guilty of cowardliness.”

The Qur'an's proscription against initiating aggression also applies to pagans and idolators:

If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of God; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

Just as genuine Christianity (the parts of the New Testament that are in red) is useless as a tool of oppression, genuine Islam (the Qur'an and Sunna) is actually a subversive religion in the most positive sense of the term, both being based on the principle that God created all human beings equal, with equal rights to justice and freedom, and equal obligations to be just and merciful to others, and to be life-long seekers of the divine. Human beings are to be judged and dealt with, not according to which tribe they belong to, or their race, but according to each individual's behavior towards others.

As I mentioned earlier, one of the central tenets of the Qur'an is the oft-repeated prohibition of any type of aggression, against anyone. Fighting is permitted only against invaders and those who initiate hostilities, and those who would oppress Muslims and prevent them from practicing their faith. But the Qur'an also states:

And fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevails justice and faith in God; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except against those who practise oppression.

It may be that God will grant love and friendship between you and those whom you now hold as enemies. For God has power over all things; and God is oft-forgiving, most Merciful.

[AlicetheKurious]

Great. Israelis supposedly used to "shoot and cry"; now that they know they can get away with anything, they've abandoned even the crocodile tears:

Last update - 11:30 15/11/2009
IDF Chief Rabbi: Troops who show mercy to enemy will be 'damned'
By Anshel Pfeffer, Haaretz Correspondent


The Israel Defense Forces' chief rabbi told students in a pre-army yeshiva program last week that soldiers who "show mercy" toward the enemy in wartime will be "damned."

Brig. Gen. Avichai Rontzki also told the yeshiva students that religious individuals made better combat troops.

Speaking Thursday at the Hesder yeshiva in the West Bank settlement of Karnei Shomron , Rontzki referred to Maimonides' discourse on the laws of war. That text quotes a passage from the Book of Jeremiah stating: "Cursed be he that doeth the work of the Lord with a slack hand, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood."

In Rontzki's words, "In times of war, whoever doesn't fight with all his heart and soul is damned - if he keeps his sword from bloodshed, if he shows mercy toward his enemy when no mercy should be shown."

Rontzki's remarks came during a ceremony to celebrate a new Torah scroll at the yeshiva. The service was held in commemoration of Yosef Fink, one of two yeshiva students kidnapped by Hezbollah in 1986.

Their bodies were returned 10 years later in a prisoner exchange.

Rontzki also referred specifically to the Israel Defense Forces' conduct during Operation Cast Lead in Gaza. "Apropos all that we've heard in the media of late, thank God that the people of Israel has united recently around the simple understanding of how it must fight. One of the major innovations of that offensive was the conduct of war - not as some kind of mission or detention."

"We all remember the beginning of the war, with a major attack of 80 planes bombing various places, and then artillery, mortar and tank fire and so forth, as in war," he said. "Everyone fought with all their heart and soul, and that includes bravery of course, but also fighting with all the resources one has - to fight as if to truly determine the mission."

Rontzki also referred to the qualities of the ideal combat soldier.

"In Israel's wars, warriors are God-fearing people, righteous people, people who don't have sins on their hands," he said. "One needs to fight with an understanding of what one is fighting for."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1128144.html

[Searcher08]

I have given some reflective time to that post Alice and after much analysis, using my intuition but rigorously, have come to the conclusion:

The guy is a wanker

[AlicetheKurious]

"Wankers" like that belong in the Hague, along with their "righteous", "God-fearing" zionazi murderers and tormentors of innocent men, women and children.

Why aren't they?

[American Dream]

In a better world Israeli war criminals would be put on trial, but so would a lot of leaders in Britain, the United States, Egypt, Colombia etc. etc. ad nauseum...

[Jeff]

"Wankers" like that belong in the Hague, along with their "righteous", "God-fearing" zionazi murderers and tormentors of innocent men, women and children.

Why aren't they?

Alice: IMO, "zionazi" is less a descriptive than an incendiary that debases language and discredits argument. Please don't use it here.

[MacCruiskeen]

In a better world Israeli war criminals would be put on trial, but so would a lot of leaders in Britain, the United States, Egypt, Colombia etc. etc. ad nauseum...

Whataboutery. As if on cue from you, AD. Ad nauseam.

IMO, "zionazi" is less a descriptive than an incendiary that does disservice to language and your argument.

IMO, too. Alice, I cringe every time I read it. It's like "Obamabot" or "tinfoil-hatter".

[American Dream]

Whataboutery. As if on cue from you, AD.

I just don't agree with you on this, MacCruiskeen. When one person has endlessly reiterated the idea that Israel and/or "the Zionists" are responsible for instigating not just Iraq 1&2 but also Vietnam, JFK etc. ad nauseum, I do think it relevant to point out that Imperialism involves many players, and that war crimes are wide-spread.

[American Dream]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1135200.html

Haaretz, Dec. 15, 2009

Akiva Eldar

U.S. Tax Dollars Fund Rabbi Who Excused Killing Gentile Babies


The White House condemns the torching of a mosque, yet respectable Americans contribute to a yeshiva whose rabbi said it's okay to kill gentile babies. It is no surprise that the American administration tacitly, if unenthusiastically, accepted the excuse that the map of national priority zones the cabinet approved on Sunday does not violate the decision to freeze construction in the settlements.

How can President Barack Obama object to furthering education in a settlement like Yitzhar, located in the heart of the West Bank? After all, his own tax revenues contribute to the flourishing of the Od Yosef Chai Shechem [Nablus] yeshiva, the settlement's crowning glory.

This is the same yeshiva whose rabbi said it is permissible to kill gentile babies because of "the future danger that will arise if they are allowed to grow into evil people like their parents." In his latest book, the head of the yeshiva, Yitzhak Shapira, who bears the honorable title of rabbi, even permits killing anyone "who, through his remarks and so forth, weakens our kingdom" (Obama, beware!).

On November 17, this column reported that the Education Ministry's division of Torah institutions transferred more than NIS 1 million to this yeshiva in 2006 and 2007. The Welfare Ministry made do with a mere NIS 150,000.

A report on donations submitted by the yeshiva to the registrar of nonprofit organizations revealed that the American public also participates in financing the message coming out of Yitzhar. It states that in 2007 and 2008, the yeshiva received NIS 102,547 from an American foundation known as the Central Fund of Israel.

The American investigative reporter Philip Weiss says on his web site (mondoweiss.net) that money given to this fund is considered a tax-deductible donation. That means the thousands of shekels the fund sent to the settlement of Yitzhar were deducted from the donors' annual tax payments to the American treasury.

According to the fund's latest financial statement, it gave some $8 million to religious organizations in 2006, earmarked for establishing synagogues and schools, aiding the needy and "urgent security needs."

The fund's headquarters are located on the third floor of the Marcus Brothers Textiles store on Sixth Avenue in Manhattan. Its director is Jay Marcus, a resident of the settlement of Efrat.

His mother, Hadassah, is the fund's president and his father, Arthur, is vice president. Both parents live in New York.

The Washington Post's David Ignatius recently reported that according to statements filed with the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, funds like that of the Marcus family sent some $33.4 million, tax free, to organizations affiliated with the settlements in 2004-07.

'Large forces, extensive damage'

So the next time the White House spokesman condemns the torching of a mosque near Nablus, some reporter ought to ask him why respectable American citizens contribute to the Od Yosef Chai Shechem yeshiva, one of whose leading rabbis wrote the following incendiary words of incitement: "[Civil] Administration inspectors have not dared to enter Yitzhar since the freeze edict. Their experience with Yitzhar, and its heat, are responsible for the fact that every entry into the settlement by hostile elements requires large forces and ends with extensive damage to army and police equipment, even greater damage to Arab persons and property, and a region that continues to burn in every direction for several days" (Rabbi Yosef Elitzur, Hakol Hayehudi, December 4, 2009).

At the same time, U.S. officials could consider how a tax exemption for donors to Friends of Ateret Cohanim and The City of David jibes with official American policy regarding the presence of right-wing Jewish organizations in the heart of Palestinian neighborhoods in Jerusalem's Holy Basin.

Human rights organizations and Jewish peace activists in the United States have started giving information to the authorities about foundations that support dubious right-wing organizations in Israel. They are asking why the administration only shuts down funds that send charitable donations to associations affiliated with Hamas.