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Postby lightningBugout » Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:54 pm

CNN's coverage has a bold call-out of this gem:

They were in and out of our home quite a bit, and there was absolutely never any indication of abuse.
--Bob Ramsey, neighbor of David A. Mohler in Lamoni, Iowa


Fascinating how people often seem to feel they know what "indication[s] of abuse" are.

Not to mention the issue is now "sex" rather than abuse and the spin is on how nice all their neighbors thought they were "Men's sex accusations stun neighbors" (CNN).

God bless America.
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Postby blanc » Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:03 am

It is highly unlikely that anyone who is not in on it will see indications of abuse. That's the way it works. FWIW I know a very committed former detective who worked in child protection and did not see 'indications' of a neighbour ( eventually convicted). If there is one thing I'd like anyone reading threads on RI who has no knowledge of organised abuse to 'get' its that they will not see 'indications' in anyone they happen to know who happens to be involved in organised abuse. That person, or persons, will seem good and trustworthy. That's why child protection has to happen by taking out those who perpetrate the crimes, the hapless but good parent, teacher, doctor, neighbour, has little chance of seeing what goes on, even if it involves children they see every day. (Glass jars quite probably promptly dug up btw and the contents used in as yet buried in the mind sessions, don't think that because abusers seem like unintelligent loners they won't have networked and got advice on how to 'do' ritualised abuse and cover up)
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good points

Postby sw » Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:43 am

Great points, Blanc. People focus on the perps and see nothing. I think poeple expect child rapists to look like Charles Manson when really they often look like (and are) to the outside world, community leaders, church leaders, nicely groomed, highly educated and really fun to be around. My Dad was all of these things. He was charming to most of my friends and neighbors. This used to piss off my mom mostly because he would be a monster to her and us and then go out and act so sweet to neighbors.

It's not like the nice aspects are false either. It's almost like they are DID and have good parts that are real and bad parts that are real.
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Postby Maddy » Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:56 am

That's not DID, that's pathological sociopathic narcissism. :wink:
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Postby professorpan » Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:36 pm

Let's remember that these men are accused, not convicted or "perps."
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Postby lightningBugout » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:49 pm

Where were you to say that about Hasan, Pan?
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Postby Percival » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:54 pm

I grew up around a lot of mormons and these people are mormons, not mainstream LDS but still basically mormon.

Anyway in regards to the buried jars that is a long mormon tradition:

Making a journal jar is one way to make journal keeping easier. A journal jar is a place where you can put slips of paper with simple questions on them. Then each night you can just pull out a slip of paper with a question from your jounal jar and and answer it in your journal. You can make a journal jar using pint jars, with Modpodged fabric on the front and a paper label that said "My Journal Jar", "My Own Personal Heritage", or "I'm the One Who Writes My Own Story" on top of the fabric. Then we just covered the lid with another fabric that matched, tied raffia around the lid with a knot on the front. You can also decorate a matching journal. Just get some report folders and put in some blank paper. Glue on some of the material you used to decorate the journal jars. Journal Jars can be used for both youth and adults. The rest of this page shows sample questions for youth and then adults. But first, here is a poem that can be used to get the journal started:

"Preserve your memories - seal them up well.
What you forget, you can never retell.
But a journal that's kept fresh on the shelf
Will help someone through rough times --
Maybe even yourself!"

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/ywc/journaljars.htm
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Postby lightningBugout » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:06 pm

Fascinating stuff Elder Percival. Thanks.

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New Victim Comes Forward In Mohler Sex Abuse Case

http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-mohler-sex-c ... 8219.story

LAFAYETTE COUNTY, Mo. - There are new charges in the child sex abuse case involving six members of one family. The new victim, a relative of the Mohlers, says she was sexually assaulted between the ages of five and nine-years-old.

Burrell Mohler, Sr faces seven new felony counts involving forcible rape, forcible sodomy and forcing a child into a sexual performance.

Burrell Mohler, Jr faces two new counts of forcible rape and forcible sodomy.

David Mohler is charged with one new count of forcible rape.

Jared Mohler has two new charges of forcible rape and Roland Mohler now is accused of two new counts of forcible rape and forcible sodomy.

The Lafayette County attorney is out with a whole new list of charges against the men charged in the widening child sexual abuse case that broke last week.

These charges are in addition to the charges already filed again Mohler, Sr and his four sons last week in Lafayette County.

These new charges are based on a probable cause statement filed by yet another alleged victim in the case, now a 29-year-old woman and the daughter of Mohler, Jr.

The latest victim is the sister of the woman whose accusations led to last week's charges. She is also the woman whose accusations led to the arrest of Mohler Sr's brother Darrell last week.

The allegations involve sexual assaults against her when she was between five and nine years old in the 1980s.
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Postby lightningBugout » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:20 am

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — Investigators say another woman accusing a Missouri father and his sons of raping her two decades ago claims she became pregnant and the men buried her baby in a box in their farm home's basement.

KCTV-TV in Kansas City reported that a search warrant affidavit released Monday said a radar used by investigators found an anomaly "consistent with the shape of a box" under the basement's concrete floor.

The woman is the sixth person to accuse Burrell Mohler Sr., his four sons or his brother of sexual abuse. The men are facing numerous charges including child rape.

Authorities searched the rural property near Bates City last week where the family once lived. They also were looking for glass jars containing notes written by children about the alleged abuse.

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Postby professorpan » Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:09 pm

lightningBugout wrote:Where were you to say that about Hasan, Pan?


I didn't say anything about Hasan, but so far it looks like a pretty clear example of a guy going nuts and killing people.

In this Kansas case, we haven't seen any actual evidence, so I think it's important to keep in mind that these men are innocent until proven guilty.
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Postby beeline » Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:43 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091117/ap_on_re_us/us_family_sex_crimes

Warrant: Mo. sex abuse case could include slayings

AP – This combination of undated photos released by the Lafayette County Sheriff's Department and the Marion … By MARIA SUDEKUM FISHER, Associated Press Writer Maria Sudekum Fisher, Associated Press Writer – 21 mins ago
LEXINGTON, Mo. – Prosecutors in western Missouri filed 15 additional sex charges against a family already accused of sexually abusing children as a newly released search warrant claims some of the suspects forced their victims to help kill and bury a man in 1988.

The new rape and sodomy charges stem from 1984 to 1989 and accuse Burrell E. Mohler Sr., 77, of Independence, of rape, sodomy and use of a child in a sexual performance. His four sons, Jared Leroy Mohler, 48, of Columbia; Roland Neil Mohler, 47, of Bates City; and David A. Mohler, 52, of Lamoni, Iowa, were charged with rape.

The original complaint, which has allegations that date from 1988 to 1995, includes charges of forcible sodomy, rape with a child younger than 12 and use of a child in a sexual performance.

During a brief court appearance Tuesday, four of the five men said they were still working to find attorneys. Only Jared Leroy Mohler said he had hired a lawyer.

No additional charges were filed against the sixth person accused in the case, Darrel W. Mohler, 72, who is being held in Marion County, Fla. on two counts of rape stemming from 1986. He waived extradition Tuesday, but it was unclear when he would come to Missouri.

The Associated Press is not identifying the children in the case.

The new charges, filed Monday, stemmed from accounts of a 29-year-old woman, who told investigators she and three other children were bound at the wrists and blindfolded while three men raped them.

Authorities last week searched a rural property outside Bates City, about 30 miles east of Kansas City, Mo., where members of the Mohler family once lived. Lafayette County Sheriff Kerrick Alumbaugh said then he believed they may find a body or bodies and buried glass jars with notes written by children who may have documented sexual abuse.

Adults allegedly told children to write down bad memories and bury them there and "the memories would go away," Sgt. Collin Stosberg, spokesman for the Missouri State Highway Patrol, said last week.

The case took another bizarre turn with the release of a search warrant indicating that three of the alleged abuse victims observed "several murders" and were forced to help kill and bury a man.

According to the warrant, a man abducted from his Independence, Mo., home was brought to Mohler Sr.'s property in Bates City. There, the warrant states, Mohler Jr., ordered the children to attack the abducted man and stab him, and threatened to kill the children if they refused.

One of the children then jumped on the man's back and stabbed him, but it was a stab wound from the adult that actually killed the victim, according to the warrant. The children were then forced to help dig a grave for the man and bury him.

The affidavit offers no details about the stabbing victim.

Investigators say they are taking the claims seriously, but insist they are focused on the sexual assault case.

Meanwhile, one of several women who came forward to police told investigators that she twice became pregnant and the men buried her first baby in their basement, according to court documents.

An investigator's affidavit released Monday said a radar used to search the rural property where Burrell Mohler Sr. and his sons lived in the 1980s found an object "consistent with the shape of a box" under the basement's concrete floor.

The woman told investigators that she was locked in the basement and raped in 1988.

She said the baby was buried in a box under the basement's only window. The affidavit said the basement floor was dirt at the time, and "following the delivery of the first baby, Burrell E. Mohler Sr. and Burrell E. Mohler Jr. buried the infant in the basement." The floor was later covered in concrete.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:25 pm

professorpan wrote:
lightningBugout wrote:Where were you to say that about Hasan, Pan?


I didn't say anything about Hasan, but so far it looks like a pretty clear example of a guy going nuts and killing people.

In this Kansas case, we haven't seen any actual evidence, so I think it's important to keep in mind that these men are innocent until proven guilty.


Just cos it looks like a clear case of someone going nuts and killing people... he is still accused and should be considered innocent until proven guilty. (Whether you said anything about him or not. When it comes to actual criminal trials in court people should always be seen as innocent until proven guilty imo. Regardless of my personal feelings on their guilt or innocence.)
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Postby lightningBugout » Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:54 pm

professorpan wrote:
lightningBugout wrote:Where were you to say that about Hasan, Pan?


I didn't say anything about Hasan, but so far it looks like a pretty clear example of a guy going nuts and killing people.

In this Kansas case, we haven't seen any actual evidence, so I think it's important to keep in mind that these men are innocent until proven guilty.


Pan, this double standard is incredible. Because it also looks like a "pretty clear example" of an incestuous family abusing their young.

In both cases so far we have pretty much little more than victim testimony. Yet it is clear that you don't take that testimony as "evidence" in the abuse case whereas you don't even blink in the Hasan case.

People who claim to be abused are NOT more likely to be unreliable narrators than anyone else. That is an insidious myth and it disgusts me that it has become a part of our culture to think so.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:37 pm

lbo in the second post of the thread wrote:If this pans out during trial and if the alleged perps....


Just in case anyone missed it.
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:58 am

lightningBugout wrote:Pan, this double standard is incredible. Because it also looks like a "pretty clear example" of an incestuous family abusing their young.


FWIW, and it's not much, 3rd set of eyeballs on the scene...I agree with the above. Pan, the fact you'd rise to the Hasan bait like that was pretty dang weird!

However, it is tuesday night and you're probably as high as me...no big deal.

So. This story has developed into something large and weird.

It's really starting to look like 2010 might be a breakthrough year for exposing perp networks. This is probably a very ominous sign that something is being stage-managed, but the worst part about being cynical is the success rate.

I'd rather assume that Santa is going to put Nick Bryant on CNN and Fox for 2 weeks straight this year. Let's "Hope."
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