Vallee on occult films (Eyes Wide Shut, the 9th Gate) etc.

[barracuda]

obversations

That may be a typo, but it's my new favorite word, applicable to much of the dialogue around here.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Jacques Vallee was the first author or UFOlogist to really open my eyes into the UFO "world". Unlike him I do wish UFO's were of the nuts and bolts variety. For some reason the alternative just spooks me.

[orz]

This is probably why he suddenly died and why the studio edited his film.

They 'edited' his film because you americans are a bunch of big 19th century babies who can't abide the shocking sight of a bare bum.

[nathan28]

This is probably why he suddenly died and why the studio edited his film.

They 'edited' his film because you americans are a bunch of big 19th century babies who can't abide the shocking sight of a bare bum.

Have you even seen it? The edits to the orgy scene cover more than just "bare bums". And I'm not talking no Masonic secrets, neither, unless you count the "Mouth of Isis".

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

.....
Hugh is getting so rote we could replace him with a bot and I wouldn't notice unless there were typos.

No matter how often I explain the post-WWII military-intelligence social science of:
> semantic priming
> subliminal framing
> inoculation theory
> interference theory
> parasocial interaction

...used in the propaganda and counterpropaganda strategies codified in Army Field Manual FM 33-1 (Psychological Operations) and deployed as a cultural delivery system by the CIA which:

> mass-markets safer-for-power alternative associations to keywords, themes, and images in order to:
> influence memory recall/social retransmission to carry out Pentagon military doctrines including:

> Stability Operations
> Counter-insurgency
> Low Intensity Conflict

...you just won't get it, will you?

Would you like a larger silver platter?

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

1) Kubrick

He was making films for spooks during the Cold War. Psyops.
'Eyes Wide Shut' is about himself as a coerced yet fascinated lowly helper to them.

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He never made so much as one single movie that wasn't absolutely and unambiguously the total antithesis of cold-war spookdom. Not one.

Wrong. He made quite a few. Very sophisticated.
He nested the covert psyops inside of the overt form to keep it subliminal.
This is s.o.p. for effective psyops.

There is a symbiotic relationship between good film-making and good psyops. The movie maker must sustain his craft and reputation as a cover. This gives the psyops script the best vehicle for distribution and embedding in the culture.

This collaboration can be either willing or coercive for the movie maker.

Furthermore, his take on what permanent war, American-style is really all about at the end of the day, as expressed by the final moments of Full Metal Jacket, could practically have been written for you personally and you alone specially to appreciate as no one else could

I've analyzed all Kubrick's post-JFK films and they are ALL PSYOPS.
Just like the hundreds of other films and tv shows I've analyzed.

So I'm not tricked by hit-you-over-the-head-with-telegraphing cutesy devices for the masses such as soldiers singing the 'Mickey Mouse Club' theme. The mnemonic devices of psyops are much more subtle and use the techniques I outlined in my post above to Wombaticus Rex.

Take the title, 'Full Metal Jacket.'
Now take the year it was released, 1987. Prep for the 25th anniversary of Dealey Plaza.
Now examine the character names and stereotypes.

What does the title refer to?
A type of bullet with very distinct traits when it passes through the human body. The ballistics of the 1963 coup in Dallas are extremely problematic to the cover-up and have been the subject of lots of diversions.

Did you know that a Manlicher-Carcano, allegedly used by a disturbed Marine named Lee Harvey Oswald to shoot JFK right after JFK began withdrawal from Vietnam...uses a full metal jacket bullet?

Heck, I thought the title referred to a military flak jacket when the movie first came out, not even anything to do with ballistic properties as such.
So a civilian's perception of this title would serve as a meme-reversal, one of the principle properties of counterpropaganda, also known as 'a direct lie.'

Examine the pictogram poster.
Bullets at the back of the head. Per Warren Commission lies-


Look at the movie's character nicknames again.
"Joker," the journalist. Good description of CIA media.
"Cowboy." LBJ.

Peter Edmund as Private "Snowball" Brown: African-American recruit, the butt of jibes from Hartman about "fried chicken and water melon", and famous for informing him that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy from "that book suppository [sic] building, Sir!".

Are you familiar with the US atrocities best known as the one day My Lai Massacre of over 500 civilians and less well known as seven months of the same behavior by Tiger Force?

Can you see the psyops value of Kubrick's presentation of a 'mass grave of civilians killed by North Vietnamese' versus one trigger-happy GI shooting from a helicopter? Propaganda of disproportionality.

How about this 'mercy killing' of a North Vietnamese woman who has shot the movie's GI's that we have become attached to?-

As Joker, Rafterman, Animal Mother and other Marines of the squad stand over the mortally wounded sniper, they (with the exception of Joker) plan on leaving her to die. She begins to say "It hurts so much" in Vietnamese, but after a pause, she begins repeating "Shoot me" in English. Joker and Animal Mother argue over this request. Animal Mother initially wants to leave her for rats to eat, but changes his mind; he will allow a mercy killing only if Joker, who has much less combat experience, performs it. After a pause, Joker shoots her with his pistol.

Ah. Killing women as a 'mercy killing.' Got it.

Can you figure out how many ways that 'Dr. Strangelove' and '2001' and 'The Shining' and 'Bury Lyndon' and 'Full Metal Jacket' served as counterpropaganda for the dangerous period of US history stretching from 11/22/63 to 2/73?

I can. And Kubrick tried to tell us his story in 'Eyes Wide Shut.' This effort by an aggrieved old man was not appreciated by his former handlers.

[nathan28]

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[Jeff]

Should have done this sooner.

From the posting rules re keyword hijacking hijacks:

3. One reply which introduces the subject to an unrelated thread will be permitted, but all subsequent discussion of "keyword hijacking" must take place in a new thread in either General Discussion or in "Psyops and Meme Management". A link to it may be posted in the original thread.

4. Subsequent off-topic replies will be subject to deletion.

Let's return to the topic at hand.

[compared2what?]

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[compared2what?]

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[thatsmystory]

Topic at hand:

The rituals.

9th gate: The rituals are mocked as pointless. Just a bunch of people playing dress up.

EWS: The rituals seem authentic but the masks indicate (according to one interpretation) the people are ashamed on some level to be participating. The point is made when Bill is told "...if you only knew who was in attendance." Yet he doesn't know because the attendees don't want their identities known. One reason is likely the fear of public disapproval. Secondly, the ritual gives way to an orgy. This suggests the presumably solemn ritual is really BS (self deception) intended to mask (ha ha) the fact that they are there to have sex with hot women.

I've read a lot about EWS and I haven't figured out exactly what Kubrick was trying to say. Having rewatched the film recently I noted that Bill never asked WTF the point of the rituals was. I find it odd that Kubrick put the ritual scene in the movie yet never had any characters address it. If the movie was about husbands and wives deceiving each other then it seems the whole ritual scene could have been left out. So I am guessing the ritual scene (and the elite society which participates) is the most important aspect of the movie. What is Kubrick trying to tell the audience about this? I don't know.

[compared2what?]

Should have done this sooner.

From the posting rules re keyword hijacking hijacks:

3. One reply which introduces the subject to an unrelated thread will be permitted, but all subsequent discussion of "keyword hijacking" must take place in a new thread in either General Discussion or in "Psyops and Meme Management". A link to it may be posted in the original thread.

4. Subsequent off-topic replies will be subject to deletion.

Let's return to the topic at hand.

My apologies. I was doing too many things at once and didn't check the thread before hitting submit. I will subject myself to deletion.

I've read a lot about EWS and I haven't figured out exactly what Kubrick was trying to say. Having rewatched the film recently I noted that Bill never asked WTF the point of the rituals was. I find it odd that Kubrick put the ritual scene in the movie yet never had any characters address it. If the movie was about husbands and wives deceiving each other then it seems the whole ritual scene could have been left out. So I am guessing the ritual scene (and the elite society which participates) is the most important aspect of the movie. What is Kubrick trying to tell the audience about this? I don't know.

I don't either, really. But since the character doesn't wonder, and the movie doesn't particularly invite the viewer to wonder for him, I'd say that the utter non-mystique of it all is kind of hiding in plain sight, from the movie's POV. I'm not down with all that wrong-way-wizardry stuff. It would be an enormous thematic departure from the rest of his work, for one thing. Unless you also think that 2001 is full of hints about some secret people in the know are only allowed to hint at, I guess. But I don't think that. So I only have The Shining left hanging out there like a big fat gopherball for whoever feels like hitting it out of the park.

Off to delete.

[IanEye]

So I only have The Shining left hanging out there like a big fat gopherball for whoever feels like hitting it out of the park.

Off to delete.

well, i guess i'll bunt and say that one observation about The Shining that seems legit to me is that all of the continuity 'errors' in the film are deliberate and are present to instill a subconscious feeling of unease in the viewer.
i'll see if i can track down that particular reviewer's treatise. in the meantime:

[url=http://tinyurl.com/dbsthw]Midnight, The Stars and You
Words & Music by Jimmy Campbell, Reg Connelly & Harry Woods*
Recorded by The Ray Noble Band, Al Bowly vocal, 1932


DM7 D6 DM7 D6 G GM7 G6 G5
Mid - night, with the stars and you;


A7sus4 A7 Em7 A7 Dalt Fdim(IV) G Gdim
Mid - night, and a ren - dez - vous.


Fdim(IV) G Gdim B7 E7/9 E7
Your eyes held a mes - sage ten - der,

Bm7-5 E7/6 E7 G/B A7 Em7 A7 A7+5
Say - ing, "I sur - ren - der all my love to you."


DM7 D6 DM7 D6 G GM7 G6 G5
Mid - night brought us sweet ro - mance,


A7sus4 A7 Em7 A7 B7 Cdim B7
I know all my whole life through


G9 Gdim Gm7
I'll be re - mem - ber - ing you,


DM7 F#7 B7
What - ev - er else I do,


Em7 A7 Em7 Em7/9 A7 D
Mid - night with the stars and you....
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http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewt ... 558#262558

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[brainpanhandler]

A man of genius makes no mistakes. His errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery.-- James Joyce ("Scylla and Charybdis" Ulysses)

Genius ... means little more than the faculty of perceiving in an unhabitual way.-- William James

[IanEye]

ok, i found it:
"MAZES, MIRRORS, DECEPTION AND DENIAL"
i am sure i must have found this here at RI in the first place, so apologies to whoever brought this to my attention.
i don't agree with everything this guy says, but a lot of it is thought provoking at least....