Predator drones hacked in Iraq operations

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Postby American Dream » Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:31 pm

barracuda wrote:
If you have the time, could you expand your line of thought so that I might understand what point you're trying to make?


Not sure that this was directed to me barracuda, but I will expand a bit:



Since 2006 the U.S. Press has been filled with stories about weaknesses in cyber-security and the need for a giant military cyber-command, which I think they have massively funded for an air base in Texas.

After 9/11 other stories did leak out about cyber-spooks and data-mining, that kind of thing, some of it run by private contractors working for the NSA or the DOD.

So one theory would be that these kinds of stories will be used to justify more funding for information warfare or for more suspension of civil liberties in the United States.
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Postby nathan28 » Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:37 pm

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barracuda wrote:If you have the time, could you expand your line of thought so that I might understand what point you're trying to make?


Mo' money for mo' security!


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Postby barracuda » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:17 pm

American Dream wrote:Since 2006 the U.S. Press has been filled with stories about weaknesses in cyber-security and the need for a giant military cyber-command, which I think they have massively funded for an air base in Texas.

After 9/11 other stories did leak out about cyber-spooks and data-mining, that kind of thing, some of it run by private contractors working for the NSA or the DOD.

So one theory would be that these kinds of stories will be used to justify more funding for information warfare or for more suspension of civil liberties in the United States.


Understood now. But the flip side of the media manipulation conspiracy theory you are suggesting is the implication that our military is so well-run and effective (especially by contrast with the haplessly backward "enemy") that the two-bit hacking of theROVER video feedscouldn't possibly be true, so we must search for a different explanation, one which involves the usual media-wide brainwashing techniques via a leaked comment resulting in a Wall Street Journal article. The end game of this campaign being increased funding for a program payed for within the scope of a budget which, even by the most conservative of estimates, exceeds one trillion dollars for the year 2010.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's highly plausible that the story is fake, or that the encryption of the ROVER feeds was purposeful to allow the "enemy" a cheaply effective defense against robot death from above. It's just that I don't want to fall into the chasm of belief which tends to deify our national security state as existing outside of the possibility of careless stupidity, either.
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Postby Penguin » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:22 pm

You can have it both ways -
theres no encryption since they had to make it quick, accessible and cheap,
and now they need mo money to do it better!

The first thing to expect from a large and expensive organization like a military, is stupidity and inflexibilty, though.
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Postby orz » Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:31 pm

hugh you were so good at not posting you should try it agian
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Postby American Dream » Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:48 pm

I thought of this thread when I read this one.

Possible Psyops campaign?

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/1 ... n-twitter/

December 19, 2009, 11:26 AM

Update on Latest Attack on Twitter

By ROBERT MACKEY


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A screenshot of the page users attempting to access Twitter
and an Iranian opposition Web site on Friday morning were shown instead
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In an article in Saturday’s New York Times, technology reporters Jenna Wortham and Nick Bilton report more details of the attack on Twitter we discussed on The Lede on Friday.

Despite the obvious intention of the attackers to make it seem as if the attack had come from an Iranian group, their report reminds us that we should be cautious in taking the claim of responsibility the attackers posted on the defacement page Twitter users were redirected to for an hour or two at face value.

My colleagues report:

Security specialists say it will be extremely difficult to determine who was behind the attack. There was some indication that the attack came from within the United States, but authorities are still investigating.

That is far from solid proof that the attack did not come from outside the U.S., or from an Iranian-backed group, but it seems wise to not assume that everything hackers say about themselves is in fact true.

One detail of the message from the “Iranian Cyber Army” — the way the e-mail address they printed on the defacement page, “iRANiAN.CYBER.ARMY@GMAiL.COM,” used all capital letters but for the letter “i,” which was lower case — seems as if it could be the sort of apparent mistake English-speaking people trying to disguise themselves as foreigners might fabricate. Keep in mind that similar errors, which may have been fabricated, were a feature in the notes sent by the person who mailed anthrax to public figures in the United States in late 2001.

That said, a leading Iranian opposition Web site was also singled out for attack, and it remains possible that someone sympathetic to Iran’s government could have been behind the attack. Nik Cubrilovic of TechCrunch reported something quite different in a post on Friday, writing:

We have spoken to a number of sources overnight who have told us that the Iranian Cyber Army, unlike other groups with similar national monikers, is a group name that is to be taken literally – ie. it is an Iranian government group.

As we mentioned on Friday, Twitter has been a thorn in the side of the Iranian government, and there are some indications that agents working for the regime have attempted to use the micro-blogging site to fight back against opposition activists.

It is also true that the government of Iran has accused popular Internet sites of being secretly created by the American government with the specific purpose of overthrowing Iran’s Islamic Republic. As The Lede reported in September, a prosecutor in one of the public trials of opposition activists in Iran made the following charge in a Tehran court about two other American Web sites that have been used by members of Iran’s opposition to spread the word about their protests:

The United States supported Web sites such as Facebook and YouTube with the aim of influencing the rioters and undermining the government’s position both nationally and internationally. Sites such as Facebook and YouTube were devised by the United States in order to wage a psychological war against Iran.

If definitive proof of who was responsible for Friday’s attack becomes available, we will let readers know.
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Re: Disinfo story.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:47 am

Please get a clue about psyops.

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:C'mon. Get real, RI. This disinfo story's objective is obvious.

"Ewww. Gross! Lots of dead Afghan babies!
But maybe it was caused by al-Queda trying to discredit the virtuous CIA-Blackwater sharpshooting team!"
:roll:

.....


Told you DAMN WELL so. Pre-emptive deflection before major "collateral damage" as lots of DEAD CIVILIANS/CHILDREN-

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cruise-mi ... 236&page=1

US Attack Kills 120 In Yemen

Obama Ordered U.S. Military Strike on Suspected "Terrorists"

December 18, 2009 "ABC News" -- On orders from President Barack Obama, the U.S. military launched cruise missiles early Thursday against two suspected al-Qaeda sites in Yemen, administration officials told ABC News in a report broadcast on ABC World News with Charles Gibson.
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President Obama placed a call after the strikes to "congratulate" the President of Yemen, Ali Abdallah Salih, on his efforts against al Qaeda, according to White House officials.
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Along with the two U.S. cruise missile attacks, Yemen security forces carried out raids in three separate locations. As many as 120 people were killed in the three raids, according to reports from Yemen, and opposition leaders said many of the dead were innocent civilians.
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e24226.htm
U.S Kill 63 Civilians, 28 Children in Yemen Air Strikes

By Press TV - Video Report

Posted December 18, 2009

Yemen's Houthi fighters say scores of civilians, including many children, have been killed in US air-raids in the southeast of the war-stricken Arab country.

The Shia fighters on Friday reported the deaths of 63 people, including some 28 children, in the southeastern province of Abyan.

Almost 90 people were also injured in the attacks by US warplanes in the village of Bakazam, they added.

Yemen's southern provinces have recently been the scene of US airstrikes which Washington claims to be aimed at uprooting an al-Qaeda cell operative in the Persian Gulf state.
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On Friday, the Houthis said over 160 missiles hit regions along the border with the neighboring kingdom, which they accuse of pounding civilians in villages within the Yemeni territory.

The Saudis have conducted more than 70 air raids in less than 24 hours.
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Postby nathan28 » Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:29 am

Hugh, your after-the-fact justifications and your denialism, and myopia, all boggle the mind. Or are you saying that Al Jazeera, which has had its stations target in old-fashioned bombing rather than PSYOPS, which has been reporting both stories, is a US psyop?
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:01 am

nathan28 wrote:Hugh, your after-the-fact justifications and your denialism, and myopia, all boggle the mind. Or are you saying that Al Jazeera, which has had its stations target in old-fashioned bombing rather than PSYOPS, which has been reporting both stories, is a US psyop?

I can't even tell what you meant by this.

Let me re-spell it out for you.

> Just before a massive drone/missile attack campaign which will inevitably produce lots of dead civilians...

> we are given a disinfo story about drones ...

> which is meant to mitigate the disparity of military force between the US and poor people in Afghanistan whose children are being blown up by the US...

> by suggesting that poor Afghanis are equally or even better able to exploit US technology.

AND I PREDICTED IT ACCURATELY.

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Postby barracuda » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:08 am

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:AND I PREDICTED IT ACCURATELY.

Get it?


Well, here's your earlier post:

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:C'mon. Get real, RI. This disinfo story's objective is obvious.

"Ewww. Gross! Lots of dead Afghan babies!
But maybe it was caused by al-Queda trying to discredit the virtuous CIA-Blackwater sharpshooting team!"
:roll:

And that kind of nonsense also leads to-
"Planes hijacked by software on 9/11? Maybe it was al-Queda outsmarting the entire US military avionics industry!"

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Where, exactly, within that post do you make a prediction of any kind? Uh, nowhere, except maybe some vague notion regarding 911 or something.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:19 am

You are being intentionally obtuse, barracuda. And over atrocity.

I made an exaggerated characterization of the psyops move due to my contempt for it, an OBVIOUS referrance to mitigating atrocity as policy, as if you didn't know.
"Ewww. Gross! Lots of dead Afghan babies!
But maybe it was caused by al-Queda trying to discredit the virtuous CIA-Blackwater sharpshooting team!"


Are you trying be confusing? If so, stop it.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:20 am

If even RI is this hostile to exposing psyops, the spooks can breathe easier.
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Postby barracuda » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:26 am

You are not really making sense, Hugh. I still don't see any "predictions" there. Are you saying that you "predicted" that people would die in an ongoing theater of war?

Good call, then.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:33 am

Duh, sure, barracuda. Nothin' psyops worthy about 120 killed in one strike.
...hmmm....

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Base, December 2, 2001. Spann was the first known American combat death in the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan,
which is aimed at destroying Osama bin Laden, his al Qaeda network and the Afghan Taliban movement, which sheltered him."
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Re: Predator drones hacked in Iraq operations

Postby MinM » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:46 am


A couple of red flags for me when this story was first making the rounds of that days "news" cycle.

1) NPR hyped the alleged involvement of Iran as being behind this. Which, as pointed out earlier here, plays into the Iran-Twittergate story. Giving the M$M a couple more angles to sell the inevitable War on Iran.

2) Sharon Weinbergerrr ... oops :oops: I mean Declan McCullagh as one of the original 'reporters' on this pstory is another major red flag.

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