Ron Paul: CIA runs the U.S. government

[AlicetheKurious]

Ron Paul kicks some ass again!
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Oh, yes.

[23]

Dr. Paul has been kicking the CIA's ass for over 20 years.

1988:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vEBQ-rK ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBh_hzU- ... re=related

Same voice, same message. Only the ears have changed.

[Nordic]

Nordic wrote:

They'll probably at the very least fuck with him.

You know, "someone" will hack his bank account on his birthday, wipe out his money, annoying things like that ....

Oh wait, that's what happened to me.

He'll get much worse.

Geez, Nordic, that sounds simply awful. Care to get into it? Ie, Elaborate?? Presumably you were running against the grain? I'll understand if you'd rather not.

Well I was sort of joking. But not really. That did happen to me last year. I've also had my phone tapped. Not sure why. Maybe it's all the blogging and rabble-rousing I've done. Maybe it was the time I sent an e-mail to a right-wing nutjob congressman that got the Capitol Police to give me a call.

But yeah, that happened to me last year on my birthday. It seemed kind of odd that some petty crook could have gotten ahold of an exact duplicate of my debit card and then wiped out my bank account on my birthday. Seemed like someone was trying to tell me something, or else maybe I'm just paranoid.

Things have been downhill ever since that day, almost a year ago. I'm probably just being paranoid, because I'm really nothing. I mean there are the Jeremy Scahills of the world who really should be looking out, not me.

[RocketMan]

I'm probably just being paranoid, because I'm really nothing. I mean there are the Jeremy Scahills of the world who really should be looking out, not me.

I bet it's easier to fuck up your life than Jeremy Scahill's... Either way, it's a bummer and I hope things will improve with you. I've landed in pretty dire straits myself, but it's due to my own stupidity and short-sightedness, not my political activism, unfortunately.

[barracuda]

It's a secret government. Congress has no idea what the CIA is doing, because nobody knows, other than what the CIA is. It is one of the things that is not characteristic of a free society.

He has identified one of the reasons the CIA will be nearly impossible to dismantle: even the CIA doesn't know what the CIA is doing.

[MacCruiskeen]

It's a secret government. Congress has no idea what the CIA is doing, because nobody knows, other than what the CIA is. It is one of the things that is not characteristic of a free society.

He has identified one of the reasons the CIA will be nearly impossible to dismantle: even the CIA doesn't know what the CIA is doing.

If you concede that it's nearly impossible, you're making a self-fulfilling prophecy. Dismantling it will mean demolishing it. Of course that won't be pretty. As an extremely wealthy and brutal state-within-a-state, the CIA won't go down without a fight. (Nor will Congress or the Senate.) But where there's a will...

Btw, barracuda:

Ron Paul kicks some ass again!
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I know what a limited hangout is, but I don't know what that second line means.

[sunny]

The CIA no longer cares if we know they are running the government. Having us know without being able to do anything about is a big part of their victory over us.

Smashing the CIA into a thousand pieces and scattering it to the winds in 1962 or so would have been the way to go but...

[Nordic]

The CIA no longer cares if we know they are running the government. Having us know without being able to do anything about is a big part of their victory over us.

The blatant joke that is the "underwear bomber" makes me think you are absolutely correct.

They're not even trying any more. They don't care if we know or not. Because, yes, it doesn't matter. To them.

[Simulist]

It's a secret government. Congress has no idea what the CIA is doing, because nobody knows, other than what the CIA is. It is one of the things that is not characteristic of a free society.

He has identified one of the reasons the CIA will be nearly impossible to dismantle: even the CIA doesn't know what the CIA is doing.

Good point. "Compartmentalization" gone mad. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmen ... ligence%29)*

Also, the decline of generalists in the population as a whole has helped foster a situation where comparatively few citizens have the knowledge even to ask the right questions or feel confident in being skeptical about what authority figures tell them.

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*The part of my brain that used to know how to embed links has gone missing.

[sunny]

The CIA no longer cares if we know they are running the government. Having us know without being able to do anything about is a big part of their victory over us.

The blatant joke that is the "underwear bomber" makes me think you are absolutely correct.

They're not even trying any more. They don't care if we know or not. Because, yes, it doesn't matter. To them.

To keep us afraid, isolated, placid, it is useful for them to covertly/overtly cast themselves as the Big Bad.

[American Dream]

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Is it true that the CIA is now running the country?

Twenty years ago I would have pretty well agreed with Ron Paul's statement.

Nowadays, I'm not so sure it's really accurate or useful.

The CIA is a big problem. The Federal Reserve the same. Are either- or both- of these the problem? I'm no longer so sure...

[barracuda]

Who, American Dream, would you add to that list?

[JackRiddler]

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You seem to misunderstand the meaning of limited hangout. Unless you think the message was sugar-coated or otherwise designed to shield against complete revelation. It may be powerless, but it's very likely true that he named the two most important power centers (in a more technical sense, "Wall Street" or the concentrated banking capital that has been forced to openly start running the government since Sept. 2008, and the permanent deep state policy apparatus within the military-industrial complex plus its parapolitical extensions, which people tend to think of as "the CIA"). Also, limited hangouts almost by definition are by those who wish to cover up. Anyway, wrt your comment my point is semantic.

[barracuda]

Victor Marchetti wrote: "A 'limited hangout' is spy jargon for a favorite and frequently used gimmick of the clandestine professionals. When their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting - sometimes even volunteering - some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case. The public, however, is usually so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further."

Sorry if my remark was too cryptic. I think Paul acts as a pressure release valve for segments of his rabid base, while evidencing absolutely no ability to create change or momentum by his pronouncements with regard to the Fed, or the CIA. He is a useful tool.

[MacCruiskeen]

Victor Marchetti wrote: "A 'limited hangout' is spy jargon for a favorite and frequently used gimmick of the clandestine professionals. When their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting - sometimes even volunteering - some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case. The public, however, is usually so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further."

Sorry if my remark was too cryptic. I think Paul acts as a pressure release valve for segments of his rabid base, while evidencing absolutely no ability to create change or momentum by his pronouncements with regard to the Fed, or the CIA. He is a useful tool.

Well, this strikes me as just plain daft. Like that recent thread in which Michael Ruppert was suspected of being a CIA agent because a) he looked and sounded too sane, and b) he hadn't brought down the CIA.

Any way you look at it, Ron P said some things there that were both brave and true. And timely to boot. (And no, I certainly do not share his politics.)