Polish President Lech Kaczynski killed in plane crash.

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Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski killed in plane crash.

Postby elfismiles » Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:48 am


Poland’s Leaders Move to Weaken Currency, Then Die in Plane Crash
April 10, 2010 by flatcap


There’s no telling if the two events are connected, but their timing is mighty interesting.

The Polish government and the National Bank of Poland, in a “rare moment of unity,” agree to weaken Poland’s currency, the zloty, in an act that would benefit Poland’s exporters at the expense of Poland’s trading partners—that is, the European Union, among others. Then, the next day, Poland’s president and the president of its national bank die in a plane crash.

From the Wall Street Journal in an item dated April 9, 2010:

In one of those rare moments of unity, the National Bank of Poland and the Polish government agreed on the need to weaken the Polish zloty, which over recent weeks has rebounded close to its pre-crisis strength. The currency’s strength is now seen a possible threat to economic recovery. After several verbal interventions over the past few days, the central bank intervened with real money Friday, for the first time in more than a decade.

The bank followed through on its Thursday warnings that it is “technologically and psychologically” prepared to enter the currency market to prevent “excessive strengthening of the zloty.” Government officials also said earlier this week that the “strong zloty” is damaging growth and, after Friday’s intervention, said they fully back the central bank’s move.


In moving to weaken the zloty, Poland’s leadership was placing the interests of the people of Poland ahead of the interests of the European collective known as the European Union.

Then, the next day, the president of Poland dies in a plane crash along with numerous other top leaders, including the president of the National Bank. From the Mail Online:

Polish president Lech Kaczynski and his wife Maria have been killed after their plane crashed on approach to Smolensk airport in western Russia.

Russian news agencies reported at least 87 people died in the crash near Smolensk airport in western Russia, citing the Russian Emergencies Ministry. They reported 132 people were aboard the Tupolev Tu-154.

The Army chief of staff, Gen. Franciszek Gagor, National Bank President Slawomir Skrzypek and Deputy Foreign Minister Andrzej Kremer were on the passenger list.


Poland has been dragging its feet in adopting the euro and joining the European Union, having pushed back its target date for doing so until 2015. Here in the U.S., we might say that Poland is not a “team player.” In the New World Order, bad things tend to happen to leaders who aren’t team players.


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Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski killed in plane crash.

Postby RocketMan » Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:18 am

Once again, when the accident happens in Russia, some of my conventionally politically active/conscious friends have started suddenly started meekly asking veeeery conspiracy minded questions in their Facebook statuses etc, along the lines of "So-and-so wonders whether the accident has anything to do with the destination of the trip" and so forth. The same people then join hip, ironic Facebook groups of the genre "This-and-this was AN INSIDE JOB!".

To summarize: it ain't a conspiracy unless it happens in Russia!
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Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski killed in plane crash.

Postby kenoma » Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:36 am

RocketMan wrote:To summarize: it ain't a conspiracy unless it happens in Russia!


Yes, and to the question "What possible benefit does Russia stand to gain from this disaster?", the answer is, "Motive? They don't need motive. They're Russian for Christ's sake!

By the way, Lech Walesa is a buffoon. Nothing he says is to be taken at all seriously.
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Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski killed in plane crash.

Postby Sweejak » Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:25 pm

According to initial reports the pilot was told to land elsewhere, ie, don't land here. Initial reports say there were 3 previous landing attempts. Initial reports say witnesses saw leaking fuel but this was probably vapor trail in the fog.

"Landing systems’ incompatibility may have caused the crash" – military analyst
http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-04-10/landi ... crash.html

So far it looks like the usual combination of human error and technical error. I can hardly believe I'm saying that.
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Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski killed in plane crash.

Postby Sweejak » Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:26 pm

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Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski killed in plane crash.

Postby Sweejak » Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:44 pm

RocketMan wrote:To summarize: it ain't a conspiracy unless it happens in Russia!


Too true, only Russians blow up their own buildings!

This crash is just weird, I mean from the high weirdness viewpoint. With finally some sort of reconciliation being on the verge of becoming possible and maybe even the unheard of; maybe the acknowledgment that such events are parts of cycles and chains... Nah. It reminds me of the lyrics for Sympathy for the Devil.

Lavelle, has some personal observations on Kaczynski, whom he knew.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nucwf6Dv ... re=popular
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Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski killed in plane crash.

Postby Nordic » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:20 pm

Sweejak wrote:So far it looks like the usual combination of human error and technical error. I can hardly believe I'm saying that.


Funny. A buddy of mine once died in a car crash, a guy who had developed a serious drinking problem. Ironically he was stone-cold sober when he died in his car, a crash that was entirely his fault, a one-car wreck.

Reminds me of that, if that is indeed the case.

The fact that Putin says he is going to personally lead the investigation is what makes me go :shock:
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Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski killed in plane crash.

Postby Sweejak » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:53 pm

Nordic wrote:The fact that Putin says he is going to personally lead the investigation is what makes me go :shock:

It would me too, but my understanding is that the Poles will be equally and heavily involved. Putin isn't going to lead any investigation, he will give it high priority but I think he will be watched every step of the way on who he chooses to actually conduct the investigation. Nobody will be buying anything without a lot of Polish involvement.

There are two recent events in the East that don't get me all conspiracized, this one and the rev in Kyrgystan. Not that there won't be a "who benefits" result, but neither of these hits my usual buttons. You think they've put something new in the water?
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Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski killed in plane crash.

Postby 82_28 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:54 pm

One way or the other this is going to play into the hands of all sorts of examples of the "modern sense of fearfulness". Anybody can take this and run with it. It is like a yeast culture. You can give yourself an infection with it, or you can also bake bread. I suspect both will come to pass. Conspiracies are stupid. Conspiracies are legit. Conspiracies only originate in Russia. Conspiracies are only created by the CIA in order frame other entities and regimes and pass them off and let the viral nature of the world today do its thing.

This is why "aeroplanes" seem to be the vector in which these things go (as well as school shootings). Airplanes opened up the planet to much of humanity -- but was also for the time being that one travels a captive audience, all in modern life can appreciate. But you attack at the weak link of people's expectations of modern life, this being the transcontinental airplane, then you inject fear and stupidity into it by making one big boom on a sunny September day. All else from this can easily fall into place whether or not anything nefarious was or is ever done or not. This much was known by those who have perpetrated the various commercial airline disasters which were engineered and those which weren't.

As we all know here, for the most part. We won't ever really know anything, but we can sure as hell witness the game as it happens. And that's at least probably, half the battle.
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Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski killed in plane crash.

Postby Nordic » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:05 pm

Sweejak wrote:
Nordic wrote:There are two recent events in the East that don't get me all conspiracized, this one and the rev in Kyrgystan. Not that there won't be a "who benefits" result, but neither of these hits my usual buttons. You think they've put something new in the water?


Maybe you're just experiencing "conspiracy fatigue".
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Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski killed in plane crash.

Postby Sweejak » Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:51 pm

Probably, but if the initial report pans out it seems there is no way that this could be planned. I want to know if it is a fact the pilot was told to go to another airport by the traffic controllers.

From another forum I have this info:
RE electronic control systems:
PRMG - ahhh! I forgot about it as it is still in use only at military airfields! It is compatible with ILS though, but it requires the crew to (a) make certain adjustments to the system before the final approach and (b) manually change radio frequency on the 20 km marker. Which in normal weather conditions and with no super VIP pasengers on board is a very easy exercise.......

He mentions "super VIP passengers" because his father flew for Brezhnev and "quit the cockpit " because "Brezhnev was quire a daredevil".
Some also point to the crash in 2008 of a Polish jet with the loss of high ranking air force officials:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miros%C5%8 ... r_accident

Here's the accident report:
http://aviation-safety.net/database/rec ... 20080123-0

However regarding Kyrgystan there is this report:
Kyrgyzstan’s self-proclaimed new leadership said on Thursday that Russia had helped to oust President Kurmanbek Bakiyev, and that they aimed to close a U.S. airbase that has irritated Moscow.

Their comments set Wednesday’s overthrow of Mr. Bakiyev, who fled the capital Bishkek as crowds stormed government buildings, firmly in the context of superpower rivalry in Central Asia.

No sooner had presidents Barack Obama and Dmitry Medvedev signed an arms reduction pact in Prague as part of an effort to “reset” strained relations than a senior official in Mr. Medvedev’s delegation urged Kyrgyzstan’s new rulers to shut the base.

The official, who declined to be named, noted that Mr. Bakiyev had not fulfilled a promise to shut the Manas airbase, which the United States uses to supply NATO troops in Afghanistan. He said there should be only one base in Kyrgyzstan – a Russian one.

Omurbek Tekebayev, a former Kyrgyz opposition leader who took charge of constitutional matters in the new government, said that “Russia played its role in ousting Bakiyev”.

“You’ve seen the level of Russia’s joy when they saw Bakiyev gone,” he told Reuters. “So now there is a high probability that the duration of the U.S. air base’s presence in Kyrgyzstan will be shortened.”

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin denied that Moscow had played a part in the turmoil in the former Soviet republic, which Russia regards as part of its own back yard.

But he was the first foreign leader to recognize opposition figure Roza Otunbayeva as leader of Kyrgyzstan, and telephoned her soon after she said she was in charge.

The United States said it had not yet decided whether to recognize Ms. Otunbayeva’s government, and did not say who it believed was in control.

Russia’s top general said 150 paratroopers had been sent to Russia’s own Kant base in Kyrgyzstan, and Mr. Medvedev’s office said they would protect Russian citizens at its embassy and other diplomatic facilities.

Ms. Otunbayeva, who once served as Mr. Bakiyev’s foreign minister, said the interim government controlled the whole country except for Mr. Bakiyev’s power base of Osh and Jalalabad in the south, and had the backing of the armed forces and border guards.

She said the situation in Kyrgyzstan’s economy was “fairly alarming” and it would need foreign aid. She said Mr. Putin had asked how Russia could help.

“We agreed that my first deputy and the republic’s former prime minister, Almaz Atambayev, would fly to Moscow and formulate our needs,” she told Russian Ekho Moskvy radio.

Mr. Putin did not promise a specific sum, she said. “But the fact that he called, spoke nicely, went into detail, asked about details – generally, I was moved by that. It is a signal.”

Ms. Otunbayeva said Mr. Bakiyev was holed up in Jalalabad. “What we did yesterday was our answer to the repression and tyranny against the people by the Bakiyev regime,” she told reporters.

Kyrgyzstan, a country of 5.3 million people, has few natural resources but has made the most of its position at the intersection of Russian, U.S. and Chinese spheres of influence.

Washington has used Manas to supply U.S.-led NATO forces fighting Taliban insurgents in Afghanistan since losing similar facilities in Uzbekistan, apparently after pressure from Moscow.

Mr. Bakiyev announced the Manas base would close during a visit to Moscow last year at which he secured $2-billion (U.S.) in crisis aid, only to agree later to keep it open at a higher rent.

The U.S. chargé d’affaires in Bishkek met Ms. Otunbayeva, while in Washington a top U.S. diplomat received Mr. Bakiyev’s foreign minister, Kadyrbek Sarbayev.

“Our message to both is the same,” State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley told a news briefing. “We will continue to urge them to resolve this in a peaceful way.”

[M]ichael McFaul, a senior White House adviser on Russia told reporters in Prague: “This is not some anti-American coup. That we know for sure, and this is not a sponsored-by-the-Russians coup.”

He said Mr. Medvedev and Mr. Obama had not discussed the base. A U.S. official said they had considered making a joint statement on Kyrgyzstan, but none was issued.

Bishkek awoke to blazing cars and burned-out shops on Thursday after a day in which at least 75 people were killed.

The Pentagon said limited operations were continuing at Manas, and support to Afghanistan had not been seriously harmed.

Pentagon officials say Manas has been central to the war effort, allowing around-the-clock combat airlifts and airdrops, medical evacuation and aerial refuelling, and that alternative solutions would be less efficient and more expensive.

Mr. Bakiyev, himself brought to power by a “people power” revolution in 2005, told Reuters by telephone that he had no plans to step down, but offered to talk to the opposition leaders who have claimed control of Kyrgyzstan.

“I can’t say that Russia is behind this,” he said. “I don’t want to say that – I just don’t want to believe it.”

Speaking to Russia’s Ekho Moskvy radio, he acknowledged that he had little control over events in the capital.

With rioters roaming the streets and widespread looting after a day in which dozens were killed in clashes between protesters and police, the self-proclaimed new interior minister ordered security forces to fire on looters.

Smoke billowed from the seven-storey White House, the main seat of government, as crowds rampaged through it. Looting was widespread and shots could still be heard on Thursday night.

The uprising was sparked by discontent over corruption, nepotism and rising utility prices. A third of the population live below the poverty line. Remittances from the 800,000 Kyrgyz working in Russia make up about 40 per cent of Kyrgyzstan’s GDP.

Another 10 per cent or so comes from the giant Kumtor gold mine, operated by Canada’s Centerra Gold.

Centerra said operations were unaffected by the turmoil, but its shares were down around 5 per cent on the day, following an 11 per cent fall on Wednesday.


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Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski killed in plane crash.

Postby Sweejak » Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:55 pm

Investigators begin analysing Polish Tu-154's recorders
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... rders.html

"MAK says the analysis is being carried out in the presence of Polish
delegates. The Polish prime minister's office, and general
prosecutor's office, stated yesterday that they intended to
participate jointly with Russian investigators in the inquiry."
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Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski killed in plane crash.

Postby Sweejak » Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:57 pm

FWIW
Polish president had history of dangerous landings
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... ion=justin
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Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski killed in plane crash.

Postby Sweejak » Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:38 pm

NYT.

MOSCOW — Investigators examining the crash of the Polish president’s plane appeared Sunday to be focusing on why the pilot did not heed instructions from air traffic controllers to give up trying to land in bad weather in western Russia.

Their inquiry may lead to an even more delicate question: whether the pilot felt under pressure to land to make sure that the Polish delegation would not be late for a ceremony on Saturday in the Katyn forest, where more than 20,000 Polish officers and others were massacred by the Soviets during World War II.

Officials have recovered the flight voice recorder, but on Sunday they did not release transcripts of conversations in the cockpit or the control tower. Still, attention has been drawn to the pilot’s state of mind because of a previous incident involving the Polish president, Lech Kaczynski, who died along with numerous other senior Polish government and military officials in the crash.

In August 2008, during Russia’s brief war with Georgia, Mr. Kaczynski got into a dispute with a pilot flying his plane to the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, according to reports at the time. Mr. Kaczynski demanded that the pilot land despite dangerous conditions, but the pilot disagreed and diverted to neighboring Azerbaijan.

Mr. Kaczynski threatened that there would be consequences for the pilot, the Polish newspaper Dziennik reported. “If someone decides to become a pilot, he cannot be fearful,” Mr. Kaczynski said. “After returning to the country, we shall deal with this matter.”


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Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski killed in plane crash.

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:33 am

Spinning Poland
As I explained to Peoplenomics readers in Saturday's report, the word that was first put out - suggesting the president of Poland had ordered his plane to land in dangerous fog just didn't seem plausible. Too many protocols would have had to break down - and there were too many high ranking Polish officials onboard to swallow the pabulum being fed out the MSM. Sorry, just got to line up a few facts - and as luck would have it, a reader in Poland has sent in a most interesting backgrounder for us to ponder which - after you read it - you'll see points the finger for all these deaths not at the late president, but at the PowersThatBe. Circumstantial? Of course, but then isn't it always?
"Hello George

As I'm writing this from the country overwhelmed with grief after the greatest of its tragedies since some September of 1939,I guess there are few details which western MSM won't probably touch and which I find more than important.

First one is just a clarify-I found few sources claiming that Lech Kaczynski is the first ruler of Poland in the XXth century who died during his term in the time of peace.Not really:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Narutowicz
I really don't appreciate lack of knowlegde of people calling themselves professional journalists.

Coming back to the current event and its interesting place in time and space which you noted on Saturday,I guess I can recommend this links:

"Top Polish leaders opposing euro and swine flu vaccines wiped out in plane crash"

"President and two presidential candidates killed, reports WSJ"

"Polish central bank faces questions after governor killed in plane crash"
Imagine the situation:

Your country three days ago had four candidates for presidential elections set for the early fall, with three of them having real chances for win. Two of them dies at the same time and the third one,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronis%C5%82aw_Komorowski
accidentally being a Marshal of the Sejm (Lower house of polish parliament), due to the constitution accedes official duties of the President, which include deciding when the accelerated elections are going to be set-being the most probable winner at the same time.

Your country's ALL top military commanders, including chief of general staff, chief of land forces, chief of navy, chief of the air forces and chief of the special forces are dead.

Who is the leader of polish army due to the constitution?
Komorowski.

Your country's chef of National Bank and Federal Reserve is dead.
Who decides of whom shall come after him?

Komorowski.

Since this Saturday, for the first time from mid thirties and Pilsudzki (the only guy that even Hitler was afraid of) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilsudski ,
one of the biggest countries in Europe is being formally ruled by one man-at least until elections. And now comes the best.

Komorowski is a close associate, friend and a political student of mr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrzej_Olechowski
whose name can be easily found on the list of Bilderberg meetings...oh, and a member of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission as well.

Poland has become a NWO state in every meaning of this word-get a pun?
If your coffee hasn't sunk in yet, consider something like 'oppose the flu shot' and then 'flew' into the ground. Flu/flew - the PTB has a way with words and deeds, do they not? The "official story" may be true, but circumstantially, things don't seem entirely as they are made out to be.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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