Against an Egyptian Origin of the Giza Pyramids

[barracuda]

FWIW, Hancock seems to currently adhere to the mainstream archaeological viewpoint regarding the construction of the pyramids:

"For the record I believe that Khufu did build the Great Pyramid - or anyway most of it (perhaps the subterranean chamber and some other rock-hewn parts of the structure may be earlier)." - Graham Hancock

[Simulist]

Thanks for spelling it out, Seamus. (When I need clarification, I try to ask rather than to "assume" — 'cause we all know what happens then.)

Frankly, I find it both interesting and a little disturbing to note just how regularly the so-called "fringe community" out there seems co-opted to spread right wing and sometimes even racist propaganda. The history of U.S. intelligence working clandestinely through fringe groups in the United States speaks volumes for itself, and has for several decades now.

So do you believe Graham Hancock is an anti-semite?

Why would I or should I "believe" anything about Graham Hancock? I don't know him, I didn't even mention him — and, to answer your question directly: I have no idea.

My remarks concerned the history of U.S. intelligence working through the so-called "fringe community." If you have information about a link between Graham Hancock and U.S. intelligence, it might be interesting to hear it.

Graham Hancock featured him on his website, so by your logic Hancock is an anti-semite also?

LOL

No... I said nothing about Graham Hancock or antisemitism — my remarks were about U.S. intelligence. Sorry if that upset you in some way.

[seemslikeadream]

Is Graham Hancock an anti-semite?

I was questioning Kollerstrom's integrity, not Hancock's. And I have no answers, just questions..

Then quit trying to imply I am an anti-semite for posting Kollerstrom's

[Simulist]

Thanks for filling me in here on what's behind all of this, SLAD. I was totally out in left field on this one.

I had no idea that there had been a history of anyone here trying to label you an antisemite, and I can understand that someone would be sensitive to other comments that might even possibly sound like such a thing.

For the record, such a thought about you had not entered my mind, nor do I see any reason for it to now.

[seemslikeadream]

FWIW, Hancock seems to currently adhere to the mainstream archaeological viewpoint regarding the construction of the pyramids:

"For the record I believe that Khufu did build the Great Pyramid - or anyway most of it (perhaps the subterranean chamber and some other rock-hewn parts of the structure may be earlier)." - Graham Hancock

http://thomasfarrell.com/downloads/Grah ... 20GODS.pdf


Hancock, the author of Fingerprints of the Gods, believed that a very ancient civilization pre-dating the Egyptians built the pyramids on the Giza Plain long before Cheops, or Khufu

[barracuda]

The quote I referenced from Hancock is from 1998, I believe, several years after Fingerprints, by which time he seemed to have pretty much accepted the so-called Vyse forgeries as genuine. I don't know what his current, up to the minute stance is on the issue, however.

[swindled69]

being an avid reader of Mr. Hancock's I find it pretty reprehensible that this kinda of shit is being said, or even insinuated and nothing to back it up with. Maybe try reading his material next time.

Personally I would buy any of his half cocked theories over some of the bullshit that gets thrown around here, at least he has provided at least circumstantial evidence to validate his own formed opinions.

[barracuda]

swindled, if you'll look over the thread closely, no one has really insinuated anything about Hancock.

SLAD - thanks for the .pdf link.

[seemslikeadream]

The quote I referenced from Hancock is from 1998, I believe, several years after Fingerprints, by which time he seemed to have pretty much accepted the so-called Vyse forgeries as genuine. I don't know what his current, up to the minute stance is on the issue, however.

I guess I was thinking about the Sphinx but he did think the Egyptians had knowledge from long before they were constructed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/20 ... gain.shtml
An argument put forward by Bauval and Hancock to support the Orion Correlation Theory is that the construction of the Great Sphinx was begun in 10,500 BC; that the Sphinx's lion-shape is a definitive reference to the constellation of Leo; and that the layout and orientation of the Sphinx, the Giza pyramid complex and the Nile River is an accurate reflection or “map” of the constellations of Leo, Orion (specifically, Orion’s Belt) and the Milky Way, respectively.

[17breezes]

Is Graham Hancock an anti-semite?

I was questioning Kollerstrom's integrity, not Hancock's. And I have no answers, just questions..

And right you were to do so

Let us hope the schoolchildren visitors are properly taught about the elegant swimming-pool at Auschwitz, built by the inmates, who would sunbathe there on Saturday and Sunday afternoons while watching the water-polo matches; and shown the paintings from its art class, which still exist; and told about the camp library which had some forty-five thousand volumes for inmates to choose from, plus a range of periodicals; and the six camp orchestras at Auschwitz/Birkenau, its theatrical performances, including a children's opera, the weekly camp cinema, and even the special brothel established there. Let's hope they are shown postcards written from Auschwitz, some of which still exist, where the postman would collect the mail twice-weekly. Thus the past may not always be quite, as we were told."

[from his article "School Trips to Auschwitz" which I can't find a non-Holocaust revisionist/denial site to link to]


The Holocaust summer camp. What's with them complaining Jews???

[Simulist]

Graham Hancock is quite an interesting chap, actually. He has several compelling ideas, and seems to have a first-rate mind that can creatively process even seemingly opposing truths, simultaneously.

There is a YouTube video about his book, Fingerprints of the Gods, and his book Supernatural: Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind is a must-read in my opinion.

Whatever civilization actually created the great pyramids (and my money is squarely on the ancient Egyptians), their true origin is undoubtedly human; Supernatural by Graham Hancock caused me to think again about these human origins and the mystery of the profound information that I agree is written deeply within us, on our very own cells.

[apologydue]

As for myself, race was the last thing that entered my mind when I asked seamus to clarify.


My money is on the Egyptians too. I suppose its possible that they didn't build them, but it seems likely they did. The math is one of the aspects that really fascinates me. I would love to understand the cosmos the way they did, especially considering the fact that they probably did not have the sophisticated technology we have now. Obviously they were sophisticated in their own right, and I would love to be able to understand it better.

Bruce Rawles (spelling?) has a cool sacred geometry site for anybody that has not seen it.

[apologydue]

Here is the site for Bruce's sacred geometry page.

http://www.geometrycode.com/sg/index.shtml

[Seamus OBlimey]

Then quit trying to imply I am an anti-semite for posting Kollerstrom's

I don't know why you think I'm implying you're anti-semitic unless you're Nick Kollerstrom.

[seemslikeadream]

Then quit trying to imply I am an anti-semite for posting Kollerstrom's

I don't know why you think I'm implying you're anti-semitic unless you're Nick Kollerstrom.

So you believe Kollerstrom is an anti-semitic, a Holocaust denier? I posted the article because of my interest in pyamids, period.... This is the first I have come across Kollerstrom, from Graham Hancock's website.. I do not believe Hancock would give venue to an anti-semitic, period... I figure you pointed to that link to make me look like I find Holocaust deniers acceptable and worthy of posting here. I do not! Just wanted to make sure folks knew that. Anyway looked a bit into Kollerstrom, couldn't find anything else but that one instance you posted, if ya got more I would appreciate letting me know.