Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking

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Re: Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking

Postby barracuda » Sat May 08, 2010 5:44 pm

Hawkings' enjoiner to avoid contact may be simply based upon his own peculiar vulnerability to your typical ravenous extraterrestrial horde. From a purely practical point of view, he's gonna have a tough time running away. (I am envisioning a marginally humourous moment from an imaginary invasionary science fiction horror film in which a Hawkings character might have a brief but satisfying cameo.) Not to be cruel, but colloquially, this is known as the "Spam in a Can" problem.

Dvorsky's counter has its own set of biases. The Fermi Paradox at base is contingent upon the puzzling assertion that no observable traces of extraterrestrial intelligence have ever been happened upn by humans. This flies directly in the face of literally thousands of incidents and encounters with completely unexplainable phenomena which have been documented in hundreds of books, official documents and eyewitness reports, to the extent that a variety of highly secretive and rather expensive divisions of ours and other governments and militaries have been devoted to this very issue. Fermi and presumably Dvosky, have never seen a UFO with their own eyes, so apparently evidence of any kind does not obtain. If you look closely enough at the question of UFOs, I believe the question is not "do they exist?" but "where are they from?" However, this perspective may not be as intrinsically cool as conjecturing a slew of objections and dismissals based upon projected mastery of nanotech or falling prey to the techno-singularity, a fate which I have to say, seems to be more something to avoid the more I understand about it.

According to the typical view of transhumanist thought, once the singularity occurs, the species essentially is transformed into a vestigal appendage of the godlike post-biological form which is then free to traverse time and space, wandering in an obsessive search for ever higher modes of computational processing. Boy, that sounds fun. Frankly, if enjoyment on the level of skipping down to the beach with your friends and your kids is beneath the awesome breadth of post-singularity civilisation, then the game's not worth the candle. The pleasures of the mundane must be highly underrated by Kurzweil, et al. Let's just hope that the be-all and end-all of existence doesn't shake down to how fast you can multiply figures in your head.

If exraterrestrial agents exist - and it seems they must - we have already surpassed a few of the milestones which would cause them to take notice of us. We have the ability to destroy our planet, and, if need be, probably the ability to destroy surrounding worlds, and we aren't really far from the ability to destructively affect our own sun, should we put our minds to it. But these aren't the attributes which bring value and substance to human life in the galaxy, rather that importance is likely predicated on our emotional depth. Don't forget how Kirk always overcomes the evil computers - with love.

I sort of figure that earth is located in a backwater area of the galactic disk outside of the usual lanes of interstellar traffic. You can't even see the galactic core form here, obscured as it is from view by huge clouds of opaque dust. I imagine that any real action to be had around here happens much nearer to the center of the galaxy where the stars coat the sky with such an impasto that the planetary evening must go by a different name, and where the giant and mysterious circumnuclear disk of Sagittarius A dominates the spacescapes with possibilites and intrigues. You can't keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen gay Paree.
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Re: Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking

Postby Fixx » Sat May 08, 2010 5:55 pm

We could just be being treated like the Jarawa.
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Re: Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking

Postby nathan28 » Sat May 08, 2010 6:39 pm

Stephen Morgan wrote:
JackRiddler wrote:Dvorsky is a lot more convicing.


No-one mentioning the Singularity is going to convince me that the sky is blue.



Will I be able to get high after the singularity? Will sex still be a possibility?
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Re: Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat May 08, 2010 8:17 pm

nathan28 wrote:
Stephen Morgan wrote:
JackRiddler wrote:Dvorsky is a lot more convicing.


No-one mentioning the Singularity is going to convince me that the sky is blue.



Will I be able to get high after the singularity? Will sex still be a possibility?



Nathan cuts to the chase.
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Re: Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking

Postby operator kos » Sun May 09, 2010 3:06 am

nathan28 wrote:Will I be able to get high after the singularity? Will sex still be a possibility?


Well, in Transmetropolitan, individuals who have uploaded their consciousness into clouds of nanomachines still have sex. I imagine some sort of drug program is available to them as well.
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Re: Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking

Postby Hammer of Los » Sun May 09, 2010 11:34 am

Well, in Transmetropolitan, individuals who have uploaded their consciousness into clouds of nanomachines still have sex. I imagine some sort of drug program is available to them as well.


Phew!

What a relief!
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Re: Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking

Postby Simulist » Sun May 09, 2010 1:13 pm

barracuda wrote:According to the typical view of transhumanist thought, once the singularity occurs, the species essentially is transformed into a vestigal appendage of the godlike post-biological form which is then free to traverse time and space, wandering in an obsessive search for ever higher modes of computational processing. Boy, that sounds fun.

Yeah. Sounds a little like suicide. And a lot like the afterlife. You know... minus the bliss.
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Re: Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking

Postby slomo » Sun May 09, 2010 5:30 pm

Simulist wrote:
barracuda wrote:According to the typical view of transhumanist thought, once the singularity occurs, the species essentially is transformed into a vestigal appendage of the godlike post-biological form which is then free to traverse time and space, wandering in an obsessive search for ever higher modes of computational processing. Boy, that sounds fun.

Yeah. Sounds a little like suicide. And a lot like the afterlife. You know... minus the bliss.

Proto-anthroposophist that I am, it appears to me that this may actually be the Ahrimanic point of it all.
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Re: Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking

Postby Simulist » Sun May 09, 2010 6:27 pm

As I was writing that, I was thinking similar things, Slomo.

Like you, I think there's a lot to be said for Anthroposophy.
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Re: Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking

Postby KeenInsight » Thu May 20, 2010 2:36 am

Respected and/or famous scientists will always say that life (aka, aliens) exist or at least there is likely a high chance. Its been said over and over, there is so much out there and our Earth and solar system is a tiny speck compared to the epic, grand scale of the universe. In other words, its an awful waste of space if Earth is the only planet with plenty of bio-diversity and 'higher' intelligence.

However, as with the late Carl Sagan or Mr. Hawkings, they will never outright come out and say that vastly, intelligent life compared to our species exists that might have already been to Earth or will, because that my friends, would just make them crazy. As far as I'm concerned, Humanity is small fry and if intelligent life are able to travel where-ever the hell they want, would have no interest in our resources, destroying us, or other crap, because they would have already done it by now, snuffing us out the moment we discovered fire.
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Re: Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking

Postby Hammer of Los » Thu May 20, 2010 5:14 am

He suggests that aliens might simply raid Earth for its resources and then move on: “We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet. I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach.”

He concludes that trying to make contact with alien races is “a little too risky”. He said: “If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn’t turn out very well for the Native Americans.”


I would agree that if aliens behave exactly like (largely western) european commercial explorers, colonists and imperalists have done in regard of remote lands and their native inhabitants, then we might be in trouble.

But you know, other possibilities exist. Why should aliens behave like rapacious, destructive, murderous looters, just because the worst elements of humanity have historically done so? It's a pretty bleak cosmic world view man.

Frankly, I would expect a little more from any sentient being I had just met for the first time.

I could be wrong. Maybe Galactus is going to come down and suck the life out of planet earth. He doesn't really need to though, we are doing quite a good job of that all on our own.

On the other hand, perhaps the aliens are already here sucking out our resources with a plan to leave for sunnier climes once they have left a dessicated husk in their wake. Perhaps Stephen knows something we dont.


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