News to Me: Ayn Rand worshipped...William Hickman

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Postby undead » Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:46 pm

They (Native Americans) didn't have any rights to the land, and there was no reason for anyone to grant them rights which they had not conceived and were not using. What was it that they were fighting for, when they opposed white men on this continent? For their wish to continue a primitive existence, their 'right' to keep part of the earth untouched, unused and not even as property, but just keep everybody out so that you will live practically like an animal, or a few caves above it. Any white person who brings the element of civilization has the right to take over this continent.

Source: Q and A session following her address to the graduating class of The United States Military Academy at West Point, New York, March 6, 1974 - found in Endgame: Resistance, by Derrick Jensen, Seven Stories Press, 2006, pg 220


Ayn Rand, the woman who succeeded where Adolph Hitler failed. Can't you imagine them singing "Anything you can do I can do better" together?
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Re: News to Me: Ayn Rand worshipped...William Hickman

Postby slomo » Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:00 pm

^^^^^ I will admit, that is a really awful sentiment. I forgot about that gem.

As I said, I'm no Ayn Rand fan, not even close. But for some strange reason I am compelled to understand souls that have been severely damaged, when there is sufficient information about the circumstances of their life.
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Re: News to Me: Ayn Rand worshipped...William Hickman

Postby Searcher08 » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:23 pm

slomo wrote:^^^^^ I will admit, that is a really awful sentiment. I forgot about that gem.

As I said, I'm no Ayn Rand fan, not even close. But for some strange reason I am compelled to understand souls that have been severely damaged, when there is sufficient information about the circumstances of their life.


I share a similar sentiment. She was caught in a world that was monochromatic and Aristotelian, she choose being right as more important than aliveness and sooner or later most of those close to her ended up on the wrong side of her. Her readings of native culture and wisdom were howlingly shallow and she was an total Israel firster.

However she was also capable of great loyalty and kindness and had a brialliant mind devoid of intellectual snobbery; detested fascism as much as communism and saw the US as in danger of falling to the former rather than the latter. Her own life was perhaps more fascinating and conflicted than Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead. The book The Passion of Ayn Rand by Barbara Branden is well worth reading even if you disagree with her philosophy profoundly.

Curiously, I have found that the people I have most respected on the Left have been ones who had a natural tremendous sense of the importance of individuality, of being accountable to oneself, of the importance of persuasion over coersion. In terms of activism, these folks have often been very effective.

A really fun interview with her former lover Nathaniel Branden - still very sharp at 80...
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Re: News to Me: Ayn Rand worshipped...William Hickman

Postby brekin » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:59 pm

Searcher08 wrote:

However she was also capable of great loyalty and kindness and had a brialliant mind devoid of intellectual snobbery;


I don't want to get into an Ayn Rand demonizing fest but I think it is a stretch to say "she had a brilliant mind devoid of intellectual snobbery." If anything she was a hard line fundamentalist intellectual. I think part of her appeal is she creates an airtight system self enclosed system that only works isolated from other viewpoints and criticism.

How many philosophers does she mention in her novels or essays that she agrees with? (I ask partly because I haven't read all her writings.) And from what I remember Barbara Branden's book has many examples of her lack of loyalty and cruelty to members who disagreed with her or strayed slightly.

I think it was in the film version of The Passion of Ayn Rand she herself joked to a meeting of Objectivists that "We are a collective." Under the banner of individualism and her definition of selfishness she created a organization that recreated much of the mysticism, group think, collectivism and plain conformity that she wrote against.
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Re: News to Me: Ayn Rand worshipped...William Hickman

Postby undead » Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:24 pm

brekin wrote:I don't want to get into an Ayn Rand demonizing fest


That's okay, because I will. Really it's unnecessary to say anything to that effect, since it's so evident to anyone who isn't a lizard, so I'd rather address the apologists. Anyone defending Ayn Rand is either fucked up or ignorant, or both. I would suggest defending Dick Cheney instead, because it would be more respectable. As far as I am aware Dick Cheney hasn't published any of his rape fantasies in novel form yet.

Edited to add:

I am allowing one exception for Marc Emery, because I know he would defend her. I don't mean to associate Marc with Ayn Rand more than necessary, but I know that she was a major inspiration for him and that he considers himself a capitalist. That just goes to show how much a person's choice of drugs effects their personality.
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Re: News to Me: Ayn Rand worshipped...William Hickman

Postby Searcher08 » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:04 pm

brekin wrote:I don't want to get into an Ayn Rand demonizing fest but I think it is a stretch to say "she had a brilliant mind devoid of intellectual snobbery." If anything she was a hard line fundamentalist intellectual. I think part of her appeal is she creates an airtight system self enclosed system that only works isolated from other viewpoints and criticism.


I think her appeal is that her novels speak to something in the human spirit around self-reliance, self-responsibility and freedom to live ones life without interference or coercion. I think she herself would have agreed with your characterisation however her 'closed system' view is not the only approach to her philosophy. There is a view of her philosophy as an 'open system' (see David Kelley) and there has been some great dialogue between integral philosopher Ken Wilber and Nathaniel Branden (who are personal friends).

How many philosophers does she mention in her novels or essays that she agrees with? (I ask partly because I haven't read all her writings.) And from what I remember Barbara Branden's book has many examples of her lack of loyalty and cruelty to members who disagreed with her or strayed slightly.


She was inspired by Aristotle (and binary Aristotelian logic) more than anyone AFAIK
I think trying to create a closed system as she did is doomed at the onset by Godel's work - also the extensive research in more recent years into the biology of cognition by Maturana and Varela makes much of it's foundations much more shaky.

On her personal side, I was trying to find the link to where her secretary described her working experience over many years with her. It gives a very different and much more humane side; she seemed to have a crippling but unacknowledged depression for much of her later years, especially when her idolised husband Frank O'Connor was afflicted with dementia.

I think it was in the film version of The Passion of Ayn Rand she herself joked to a meeting of Objectivists that "We are a collective." Under the banner of individualism and her definition of selfishness she created a organization that recreated much of the mysticism, group think, collectivism and plain conformity that she wrote against.
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Funny enough, Branden talked about that in the video above, but in context of her love of paradox.
I have not seen the film but was told by Barbara Branden that she was appalled at the end result - a hatchet job on her ex (which the director admitted, as demanded by the funders to increase ratings) and which left out much of what had been filmed that showed a brighter and joyful side of Rand.

My personal take is that Nathaniel Branden's work is much more humane and open minded than Rand's but preserves much of what was good about it without being constrained by her unbending adherence to cognitivism.

I still like her as a writer - and most people i mention her books either love or loathe them but are seldom indifferent to them.
The melodrama of the movie The Fountainhead now also appears (unintentionally!) screamingly camp and well worth checking out :)

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Re: News to Me: Ayn Rand worshipped...William Hickman

Postby slomo » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:20 pm

undead wrote:Anyone defending Ayn Rand is either fucked up or ignorant, or both. I would suggest defending Dick Cheney instead, because it would be more respectable. As far as I am aware Dick Cheney hasn't published any of his rape fantasies in novel form yet.

As far as I am aware, Ayn Rand didn't start two wars under false pretenses, wars that would kill at least a million people and bankrupt an empire to enrich a few. Rand may have fantasized about it, but Cheney actually did it.
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Re: News to Me: Ayn Rand worshipped...William Hickman

Postby slomo » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:34 pm

Searcher08 wrote:Curiously, I have found that the people I have most respected on the Left have been ones who had a natural tremendous sense of the importance of individuality, of being accountable to oneself, of the importance of persuasion over coersion. In terms of activism, these folks have often been very effective.

Anything taken to extreme is toxic.

For whatever reason, I've been researching/studying LaVeyan Satanism over the last few days. I've read up on it before, but this more recent cycle was prompted by somebody in a Reddit comment thread posting the 11 Satanic Rules, with which I found myself agreeing more or less. LaVey was a big proponent of Rand as well as Nietzsche. Of course, the opposite approach, Christianity (in its abstracted Gnostic form) is also very attractive to me. The problem is really one of walking the middle ground. Too much collectivism destroys the individual, and too much individuality destroys the world. While we are obligated to live in a material world and play by its harsh rules of predation and survival, we are exalted spiritually by compassion, by taking the long view and understanding the limits of materiality. My main problem with LaVeyan Satanism, and by extension Rand Objectivism, is that they fail to factor in long-range consequences. They seem to me to be tone-deaf to certain spiritual frequencies. But so is Christianity, especially the forms in practice in this day and age. And, weirdly, some forms of 21st Century Christian Christian practice are indistinguishable from LaVeyan Satanism.

Edited to insert the word compassion, which was a critical omission caused by rushing through this post so I could return a phone call.
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Re: News to Me: Ayn Rand worshipped...William Hickman

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:02 pm

undead wrote:
brekin wrote:I don't want to get into an Ayn Rand demonizing fest


That's okay, because I will. Really it's unnecessary to say anything to that effect, since it's so evident to anyone who isn't a lizard, so I'd rather address the apologists. Anyone defending Ayn Rand is either fucked up or ignorant, or both. I would suggest defending Dick Cheney instead, because it would be more respectable. As far as I am aware Dick Cheney hasn't published any of his rape fantasies in novel form yet.

Edited to add:

I am allowing one exception for Marc Emery, because I know he would defend her. I don't mean to associate Marc with Ayn Rand more than necessary, but I know that she was a major inspiration for him and that he considers himself a capitalist. That just goes to show how much a person's choice of drugs effects their personality.


Wow I didn't know that.
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Re: News to Me: Ayn Rand worshipped...William Hickman

Postby undead » Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:12 pm

Emery on Rand

The triumph of ideas

Ideas can change the world, but it isn't always easy to change minds. In Marc Emery's experience, given time and effort, good ideas do triumph over bad.

Marc Emery - April 4, 2008

My advice to anyone who wants to change the world is this: it happens one person at a time and it happens much slower than you think it ought to.

I first hammered an election sign into a front lawn for the 1968 Canadian federal election. I was ten years old and campaigning with my father, a United Auto Workers employee at 3M, the London, Ontario factory where he worked all his adult life in Canada. The 1968 election sign was in support of the London East NDP candidate Alec Richmond, our family’s lawyer, and it was during Trudeau-mania, so I learned about noble lost causes early in life. The Liberal won.

For the May 1979 federal election I campaigned for NDP candidate Rob Martin, a law professor at the University of Western Ontario. During an all-candidates meeting I listened to the Libertarian candidates Greg Utas, Richard Keyes, and an intense guy named David. After the meeting, I approached them and said I liked all their small government ideas “except the one about privatizing the waterways,” and we ended up arguing about that one point of difference instead of our many points in harmony. David handed me a book by Ayn Rand called “Capitalism; The Unknown Ideal” and said “Read this. I doubt you will, but you have potential.” That was in May 1979, and I read it in October.

That book changed the entire course of my life. I was converted and became a zealot for rational capitalism. Since then, for nearly 30 years, I’ve been a man on a mission. I remember reading each page of Rand and over and over again her ideas struck me like a bullet in the cerebral cortex. “I’ve been wrong. Holy Jesus--collectivism, socialism, statism... those are all the real enemies. I’ve been wrong!” I kept saying as I read Ms. Rand.

I called those Libertarian guys up and said, “This book is amazing! I want to campaign for you guys.” We met up and they expressed their delight in getting a convert. “Don’t you meet other people who think these are good ideas?” I asked them. There was a pause, “You’re pretty well the first one.” Within a few weeks, I was running for the Libertarian Party leadership. Recently I learned that my good friend Karen Selick (who writes great columns in the National Post when they let her) was in the existing Libertarian Party structure then and thought I was a mouthy, pushy jerk. Converts are rarely subtle. I settled for coming in second and organizing the campaigns of 12 candidates in southern Ontario in the February 1980 federal election. I was hell-bent to smash the state and expose collectivism, and have been hoping to make converts on the way ever since.

Converts bring a zeal that is often overbearing and intolerant, but when you make a convert out of someone who was once your enemy it’s a sweet victory. When you lose one of your own to the “dark side,” it’s a deep personal loss. Such are the power of ideas and the battle for the hearts and minds of our fellow citizens. When you convert, you get new friends and you lose others. When my brother became a born-again Christian, for a couple of years he said “Amen!” at the end of every sentence at the dinner table or in conversation. It was very weird watching a family member change philosophical course radically and with passion, so I sort of realize how I might have seemed to some way back in 1980 and 1981. My brother, in fact, became an Anglican minister in the 1980s and I became a tax-hating, anti-censorship, anti-prohibitionist, anti-state one-man army. Fortunately, my brother still loves me and has offered his church as sanctuary if my battle with the U.S. federal government (they want to extradite me for my cannabis activism) goes badly and I want to seek sanctuary in God’s house. That was a nice gesture from my brother, but I told him, “I’m not going down like that.”

In 1998, the New York Times was doing an article about me and asked Vancouver Mayor Philip Owen about my cannabis legalization campaign and effect on his city. Owen replied simply, “By the end of the year, Emery will be toast.” Over the next 11 months, I was arrested on eight separate occasions for: selling seeds, selling bongs, giving a half gram of hash away to American tourists, passing a joint, and possessing four grams of pot. I was arrested at my office, on the street, driving off the ferry, at my home, at a girlfriend’s home, and even via a phone message asking me to turn myself in (yet again) for new charges and arrest. I was raided three times in those 11 months. I took the hint and got out of radical retail in Vancouver, closing down my Hemp BC store and retreating to the Sunshine Coast, an hour away from Vancouver.

I wasn’t quite toast during my exile, but knew what it meant to get ass-kicked out of town. Police seized $600,000 in assets (that I never got back) and my bail conditions had me banned from Vancouver’s business district, including the 300 block of West Hastings where my store was (and which is known as The Pot Block, or Vansterdam). Upon each arrest, the police would say they had to do it because I was “rubbing it in our faces all the time.” What I was rubbing in their faces was the truth. I used to go to City Hall every year (even while exiled to Sunshine Coast as Vancouver’s City Hall is not downtown) and insist that City Council cut the funding to the police marijuana eradication unit known as “Growbusters” in the years up to 2001. My pleadings were to no avail, of course; Growbusters continues on in its urban anti-marijuana eradication program.

I met Philip Owen on Seymour Street recently, in early 2008, and talked to him for the first time since I was kicked out of town--rather, Mr. Owen talked to me, as I was caught suddenly with a big pizza slice in my mouth, and he just said, “Eat your pizza. You know, you were right all along on this drug legalization thing. It’s this insane war on drugs from Washington that’s the problem. You shouldn’t have to spend five days in jail, let alone five years.” The former Mayor was downright effusive--much to my shocked delight--and added more: “We’re pushing the farmers of Afghanistan right into the hands of the Taliban with our policies on opium,” explaining in some detail how that was happening. I still was holding that pizza slice awkwardly when I tried to shake his hand goodbye, thunderstruck that the Mayor and I were now “friends” and “allies” in a mutual struggle after all these years. It was the year 2000 when Philip Owen had become a convert to the anti-prohibition cause. I remember my friend Ethan Nadelman of the Drug Policy Alliance calling me up for a dinner one night in the year 2000, while the sting of my exile and arrests were sharp in my mind, and saying “Marc, I know you’ll find this hard to believe, but Philip Owen is coming around.” I couldn’t believe that, but he said, “I know he’s hurt you in these recent years, but our people are speaking to him regularly and you just have to believe that it’s going to happen.” That year, Mayor Owen did indeed become a vocal critic of the war on drugs and a passionate advocate for drug law reform and harm reduction. I wished at the time it had come a few years earlier, but now, in February 2008--ten years after I was banned from the downtown--it was a sweet validation to hear “You were right all along on this drug legalization thing”. A triumph of ideas.

In 1998, while Philip Owen was plotting with Vancouver police to oust me from my Vansterdam fiefdom, I was giving money away to ballot initiatives in the United States, political parties around the world, court challenges in Canada, and more. I was not paying attention to various laws that forbid or regulate foreign participation in elections, figuring that this money--about $500,000 a year to groups or activities that promoted peaceful opposition to the drug war--came from the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand with the understanding that my whole marijuana seed selling operation was a fundraiser to advocate the end of the drug war.

That year, I donated $5,000 to help finance Ballot Initiative 59 in Washington that, if passed, would have legalized medical use of marijuana in the District of Columbia. This ballot initiative in the capital district was intended to be a modest cost experiment to win a ballot initiative in a small population area before trying the ballot initiative model at statewide levels. Polls had been done that showed a majority of DC residents would support the measure, and petitioning to have the initiative put on the November 1998 ballot had been done. After a tussle with the Board of Electors to get the measure on the ballot, the U.S. Congress--urged on by one Robert Barr, a Republican Congressman from Georgia’s 9th District--passed the “Barr Amendment” to the 1999 District of Columbia Appropriations Bill. The Barr Amendment, passing 333 to 92, prohibited “the use of any funding to legalize or reduce the penalty for the possession, use, or distribution of any controlled substance under the Controlled Substances Act.” Initiative 59 was on the DC ballot in the November 1998 general election, and exit polls showed it passed 70 per cent to 30 per cent, but the ballot results were never announced because no money was legally appropriated to count the ballot votes on the measure, let alone to implement the Initiative. Barr’s amendment nixed the needle exchange in DC too, a situation that, ten years later, is still the same.

My $5,000 investment in medical cannabis legality went up in smoke, and I’ve had Bob Barr on my Top 10 Enemies List for many years since then. In his Congressional heyday, Bob Barr was the poster boy for vindictive Southern social conservatism on the drug war. Barr even voted for and lobbied for a ban on industrial hemp products even entering the U.S. When Barr lost his Congressional seat in the 2002 Republican primaries, the U.S. Libertarian Party was overjoyed, trumpeting on their website the end of “U.S. Rep. Bob Barr, the worst drug warrior in Congress.” However, over the last five or six years since, Barr spoke, wrote and commented more and more frequently on the rise of U.S. government power and how it was the greatest menace to American citizens. Barr began to regret his unconstitutional incursions into the lives of Americans, including his support of the Patriot Act and drug laws. Ultimately, he renounced his drug warrior past in late 2006, joined the Libertarian Party in 2007, and will announce his candidacy for the Presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party later this month. More stunningly, the well-heeled Marijuana Policy Project (with $2-$3 million annually from Progressive Insurance founder Peter Lewis) lobby group that operates in all 50 states hired Bob Barr as a Congressional lobbyist to--get this--repeal The Barr Amendment and any other federal impediments to implementing state medical marijuana initiatives.

Bob Barr will be a formidable Libertarian candidate in the November general election, appealing to old-school conservatives, Clinton-haters (Barr led the House Impeachment Republicans), Southerners, and constitutionalists. Additionally, Bob Barr appears to have become a Ron Paul protégé, with the maverick Texan Republican endorsing Barr’s Libertarian bid while Paul himself is still in the race for the GOP nomination. Ron Paul has $5,500,000 from his campaign in the bank and no plans to use it, plus an email and volunteer list of 400,000 zealous donors, converts, and activists. Short of Republican presumptive nominee John McCain having a heart-attack (though, considering his age, it’s not that unlikely), it’s likely Paul will not get the Republican nomination; so, ruling out any support of John McCain, and with his close acolyte Bob Barr getting the Libertarian Party nomination, that $5.5 million and massive contact list is a potential McCain killer in the November election--as if McCain weren’t already behind the eight ball. But it’s clear that Ron Paul Revolutionaries will play a deciding role in the November U.S. election, and it could be thanks to my former archenemy Bob Barr, much to my surprise. Although in 1998 I thought my $5,000 was “stolen” by Barr, the triumph of ideas ultimately prevails and makes the sweetest revenge.
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Re: News to Me: Ayn Rand worshipped...William Hickman

Postby norton ash » Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:44 pm

Not surprised that Emery is a libertarian capitalist, and thanks for this, undead.
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Re: News to Me: Ayn Rand worshipped...William Hickman

Postby conniption » Thu May 22, 2014 10:37 pm

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Saturday, December 28, 2013

Ayn Rand: the Russian Girl

Ayn Rand Mike Wallace Interview 1959 part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ukJiBZ8_4k

I'm reading a book about Ayn Rand. Born Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum in the turbulent Russian motherland which she grew to disdain.

She came to America, birthed the libertarian creed and became an inspiration to countless douche bag college boys who are currently in charge of the House of Representative (and parts of the Senate), seemingly unaware that her atheist, individualist philosophy flies in the face of even the most Protestant interpretations of the "Judeo-Christian" tradition they see as the moral bedrock of this country.

Ah, and why not? It feels so good to be egotistical and Christian all at the same time. Am I right Paul Ryan? Or am I right?

Throughout her life -and especially in her early days of fame- Rand did her best to erase her Russian-Jewish background. But it does shine through her biography.

Much like this Russian expat, she hated small talk and preferred to have deep discussions.

But beyond modes of communications. Its clear that her maximalism, uncompromising nature and her preference for expressing her philosophy through fiction are quintessentially Russian.

But all of this above is really bullshit. What really surprised me about Ayn Rand didn't come through reading about her life but through videos of her interviews I found online.

I expected a rigid, cold ideological but what I found surprised me.

Ayn Rand was sexy.

Not bend-her-over and pull-the-hair-back sexy but still... I can definitely understand young men hanging around her.

A dumb man, if he has a certain ruggedness to him, can still inspire attraction in the opposite sex in his old age. Que John Wayne or that Scottish guy who played James Bond.

Not so much for a woman.

It is still a man's world in many ways (though I don't grasp much of it in my personal life).

XY chromosomes give you the license to be a sexy, old moron.

For a woman, once youth is melted by the acid of time, only a liveliness borne of intelligence can create a similar effect.

So let me bow my head to Ayn Rand's intrinsic, ageless sexiness and flirtatious nature.

A woman who's life and character I find infinitely more compelling that her ideas.

Alas, that last sentence sounded sexist. But what can I do?

Nobody is reading this anyway; and I'll have eons to delete this before I run for governor.

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Dave BFebruary 6, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Apparently Mike Wallace agrees with you. My favorite part was when he lights up a cigarette in the middle of the interview! Just puffing away while calling her philosophy 'Rand-ism'. I wonder when the TV studios decided that lighting up on camera was no longer cool/entertaining.

Perhaps you found her level of confidence sexy? What isn't sexy is how she comes off during the Donahue interviews in '79/80. She wags her finger and berates the audience members, "I did not come here to be judged", and "You asked the question rudely, so I refuse to answer you". If she had such confidence in her philosophy, there would be no need to be defensive.


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IvanFebruary 7, 2014 at 4:37 AM

From the biography of Rand that I read her story comes out pretty tragic. He philosophy did energize a lot of people but carried out to its logical conclusion in her personal life it destroyed relationships and real human warmth. She was a difficult person and it seems Objectivism was used by her for a philosophical underpinning to justify some nasty personal behavior. In the end of the book, I just ended up feeling sorry for her as she passed away as an intellectual giant in the eyes of her adherents and a lonely and often bitter old soul in her personal life.

Anyway, thank you for your comment, Dave.
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Re: News to Me: Ayn Rand worshipped...William Hickman

Postby chump » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:03 pm

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https://atlassociety.org/commentary/com ... on-fascism

Ayn Rand On Fascism
August22, 2017, George H. Smith

In a letter written on March 19, 1944, Ayn Rand remarked: “Fascism, Nazism, Communism and Socialism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous theme—collectivism.” Rand would later expand on this insight in various articles, most notably in two of her lectures at the Ford Hall Forum in Boston: “The Fascist New Frontier” (Dec. 16, 1962, published as a booklet by the Nathaniel Branden Institute in 1963); and “The New Fascism: Rule by Consensus” (April 18, 1965, published as Chapter 20 in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal [CUI] by New American Library in 1967).

Rand knew better than to accept the traditional left-right dichotomy between socialism (or communism) and fascism, according to which socialism is the extreme version of left-ideology and fascism is the extreme version of right-ideology (i.e., capitalism). Indeed, in The Ayn Rand Letter (Nov. 8, 1971) she characterized fascism as “socialism for big business.” Both are variants of statism, in contrast to a free country based on individual rights and laissez-faire capitalism. As Rand put it in “Conservativism: An Obituary” (CUI, Chapter 19):

“The world conflict of today is the conflict of the individual against the state, the same conflict that has been fought throughout mankind’s history. The names change, but the essence—and the results—remain the same, whether it is the individual against feudalism, or against absolute monarchy, or against communism or fascism or Nazism or socialism or the welfare state.”


The placement of socialism and fascism at opposite ends of a political spectrum serves a nefarious purpose, according to Rand. It serves to buttress the case that we must avoid “extremism” and choose the sensible middle course of a “mixed economy.” Quoting from “‘Extremism,’ Or The Art of Smearing” (CUI, Chapter 17):

“If it were true that dictatorship is inevitable and that fascism and communism are the two “extremes” at the opposite ends of our course, then what is the safest place to choose? Why, the middle of the road. The safely undefined, indeterminate, mixed-economy, “moderate” middle—with a “moderate” amount of government favors and special privileges to the rich and a “moderate” amount of government handouts to the poor—with a “moderate” respect for rights and a “moderate” degree of brute force—with a “moderate” amount of freedom and a “moderate” amount of slavery—with a “moderate” degree of justice and a “moderate” degree of injustice—with a “moderate” amount of security and a “moderate” amount of terror—and with a moderate degree of tolerance for all, except those “extremists” who uphold principles, consistency, objectivity, morality and who refuse to compromise.”


In both of her major articles on fascism (cited above) Rand distinguished between fascism and socialism by noting a rather technical (and ultimately inconsequential) difference in their approaches to private property. Here is the relevant passage from “The New Fascism: Rule by Consensus”:

“Observe that both “socialism” and “fascism” involve the issue of property rights. The right to property is the right of use and disposal. Observe the difference in those two theories: socialism negates private property rights altogether, and advocates “the vesting ofownership and control” in the community as a whole,i.e., in the state; fascism leaves ownership in the hands of private individuals, but transfers control of the property to the government.

Ownership without control is a contradiction in terms: it means “property,” without the right to use it or to dispose of it. It means that the citizens retain the responsibility of holding property, without any of its advantages, while the government acquires all the advantages without any of the responsibility.

In this respect, socialism is the more honest of the two theories. I say “more honest,”not “better”—because, in practice, there is no difference between them: both come from the same collectivist-statist principle, both negate individual rights and subordinate the individual to the collective, both deliver the livelihood and the lives of the citizens into the power of an omnipotent government —and the differences between them are only a matter of time, degree, and superficial detail, such as the choice of slogans by which the rulers delude their enslaved subjects.”


Contrary to many conservative commentators during the 1960s, Rand maintained that America was drifting toward fascism, not socialism, and that this descent was virtually inevitable in a mixed economy. “A mixed economy is an explosive, untenable mixture of two opposite elements,” freedom and statism, “which cannot remain stable, but must ultimately go one way or the other” (“‘Extremism,’ or The Art of Smearing”). Economic controls generate their own problems, and with these problems come demands for additional controls—so either those controls must be abolished or a mixed economy will eventually degenerate into a form of economic dictatorship. Rand conceded that most American advocates of the welfare state “are not socialists, that they never advocated or intended the socialization of private property.” These welfare-statists “want to ‘preserve’ private property” while calling for greater government control over such property. “But that is the fundamental characteristic of fascism.”

Rand gave us some of the finest analyses of a mixed economy—its premises, implications, and long-range consequences—ever penned by a free-market advocate. In “The New Fascism,” for example, she compared a mixed economy to a system that operates by the law of the jungle, a system in which “no one’s interests are safe, everyone’s interests are on a public auction block, and anything goes for anyone who can get away with it.” A mixed economy divides a country “into an ever-growing number of enemy camps, into economic groups fighting one another for self preservation in an indeterminate mixture of defense and offense.” Although Rand did not invoke Thomas Hobbes in this context, it is safe to say that the economic “chaos” of a mixed economy resembles the Hobbesian war of all against all in a state of nature, a system in which interest groups feel the need to screw others before they get screwed themselves.

“A mixed economy is ruled by pressure groups. It is an amoral, institutionalized civil war of special interests and lobbies, all fighting to seize a momentary control of the legislative machinery, to extort some special privilege at one another’s expense by an act of government—i.e., by force.”


Of course, Rand never claimed that America had degenerated into full-blown fascism (she held that freedom of speech was a bright line in this respect), but she did believe that the fundamental premise of the “altruist-collectivist” morality—the foundation of all collectivist regimes, including fascism—was accepted and preached by modern liberals and conservatives alike. (Those who mistakenly dub Rand a “conservative” should read “Conservatism: An Obituary” [CUI, Chapter 19], a scathing critique in which she accused conservative leaders of “moral treason.” In some respects Rand detested modern conservatives more than she did modern liberals. She was especially contemptuous of those conservatives who attempted to justify capitalism by appealing to religion or to tradition.) Rand illustrated her point in “The Fascist New Frontier,” a polemical tour de force aimed at President Kennedy and his administration.

Rand began this 1962 lecture by quoting passages from the 1920 political platform of the German Nazi Party, including demands for “an end to the power of the financial interests,” “profit sharing in big business,” “a broad extension of care for the aged,” the “improvement of public health” by government, “an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education,” and so forth. All such welfare-state measures, this platform concluded, “can only proceed from within on the foundation of “The Common Good Before the Individual Good.”

Rand had no problem quoting similar proposals and sentiments from President Kennedy and members of his administration, such as Kennedy’s celebrated remark, “And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what America will do for you—ask what you can do for your country.” The particulars of Rand’s speech will come as no surprise to those familiar with her ideas, but I wish to call attention to her final remarks about the meaning of “the public interest.” As used by Kennedy and other politicians, both Democratic and Republican, this fuzzy phrase has little if any meaning, except to indicate that individuals have a duty to sacrifice their interests for the sake of a greater, undefined good, as determined by those who wield the brute force of political power. Rand then stated what she regarded as the only coherent meaning of “the public interest.”

“[T]here is no such thing as ‘the public interest’ except as the sum of the interests of individual men. And the basic, common interest of all men—allrationalmen—is freedom. Freedom is the first requirement of “the public interest”—notwhamen do when they are free, butthat they are free. All their achievements rest on that foundation—and cannot exist without them.”

The principles of a free, non-coercive social system are the only form of “the public interest.”


I shall conclude this essay on a personal note. Before I began preparing for this essay, I had not read some of the articles quoted above for many, many years. In fact, I had not read some of the material since my college days 45 years ago. I therefore approached my new readings with a certain amount of trepidation. I liked the articles when I first read them, but would they stand the test of time? Would Rand’s insights and arguments appear commonplace, even hackneyed, with the passage of so much time? Well, I was pleasantly surprised. Rand was exactly on point on many issues. Indeed, if we substitute “President Obama,” for “President Kennedy” or “President Johnson” many of her points would be even more pertinent today than they were during the 1960s. Unfortunately, the ideological sewer of American politics has become even more foul today than it was in Rand’s day, but Rand did what she could to reverse the trend, and one person can only do so much. And no one can say that she didn’t warn us.
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Re: News to Me: Ayn Rand worshipped...William Hickman

Postby Elvis » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:40 pm

We get it—collective efforts are bad.

The people who don't want to be part of the community should go live alone, far away in a remote place, so the rest of us can make progress.
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Re: News to Me: Ayn Rand worshipped...William Hickman

Postby DrEvil » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:08 pm

That's weird. I live in a mixed economy (government owns about 30% of all stock traded on the local exchange (plus 1% of all stock traded worldwide. Moahaha!), with controlling interests in most of the largest companies in energy, telecom etc.), and it's been like this since WW2. Still not a fascist/socialist/statist/whatever dystopia. We must be doing something wrong. :starz:

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