UK students clash with police/ Prince Charles' car attacked

[MacCruiskeen]

AP: Reports car containing Prince Charles and Camilla attacked.

http://atdhe.net/watch-bbc-news.php

7.45pm

Car containing Prince Charles and Camilla stopped and kicked by protesters on Regent Street.

http://www.socialistworker.org.uk/art.php?id=23357

They were on their way to the fucking Royal Variety Performance at the Palladium, where they would have rattled their jewellery at the entertaining plebs.

[nathan28]

AP: Reports car containing Prince Charles and Camilla attacked.

http://atdhe.net/watch-bbc-news.php

7.45pm

Car containing Prince Charles and Camilla stopped and kicked by protesters on Regent Street.

http://www.socialistworker.org.uk/art.php?id=23357

They were on their way to the fucking Royal Variety Performance at the Palladium, where they would have rattled their jewellery.

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[MacCruiskeen]

19:58 GMT: Protestors attacking Supreme Court building in Westminster.

http://atdhe.net/watch-bbc-news.php

[nathan28]

19:58 GMT: Protestors attacking Supreme Court building in Westminster.

http://atdhe.net/watch-bbc-news.php

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[beeline]

^^^Ahhh Nathan if only it were so

[MacCruiskeen]

20:10 GMT: All windows of Top Shop* on Oxford St. have been smashed. Many protestors still moving around throughout central London.

Office worker interviewed: Prince Charles's limousine was protected by police motorcycle outriders, but the protestors were "very angry" and "kicking the car" "pretty severely". They managed to smash a window of the car and stain it with paint.

http://atdhe.net/watch-bbc-news.php

*major clothing chainstore owned by notorious multi-billionaire tax-evader "Sir" Phillip Green.

[MacCruiskeen]

Nathan and beeline: no, it's not a revolution yet. But the students (and schoolkids, and lecturers, and teachers, and parents, and many, many others) are not taking this lying down, and god bless them for that. Inevitably, and vomit-inducingly, the hacks are condemning those protestors for their so-called "violence", yet no one mentions the brutal structural violence of condemning an entire generation EITHER to gigantic and probably unpayable debt OR to a future with no formal education beyond the age of sixteen and a gruesome underpaid McJob or no job at all to follow.

I am heartened and inspired by what happened in London today. I support it fully, especially the destruction of property (it's stolen property: it's the former commons). Good on them for trashing, graffiti-ing and attempting to enter those government buildings. Good on them for defying the armoured defenders of the corporate state and the brutally sanctimonious hacks who defend it no less. Good on them for smashing the car windows of the heir-to-the-throne and putting the fear of god into him. (Good on them, too, for neither killing nor injuring nor even slightly hurting him. Who says they have no self-control? Who dares to call them VIOLENT?)

Live coverage continues: http://atdhe.net/watch-bbc-news.php

[82_28]

Fuck yeah! I hope this catches on. Any word on provocateurs at all? This footage is great. Thanks for the BBC link -- even though I already use atdhe.net for sports purposes.

[beeline]

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Thanks MacC, I don't condemn the students at all. In fact I get it---I'm currently $40K in debt to my student loans, and the indentured servitude was a huge reason I quit going to University in the first place. But the U.S. is a debt-oriented society, it's something I had to accept if I were to ever get a university education. Shoulda been a scholar-athlete. Shoulda, coulda, woulda...

So, good for them. And good for them not succumbing to the temptation of violence (I don't really consider smashing property to be violent acts) against the police and so forth.

[MacCruiskeen]

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Thanks MacC, I don't condemn the students at all. In fact I get it---I'm currently $40K in debt to my student loans, and the indentured servitude was a huge reason I quit going to University in the first place. But the U.S. is a debt-oriented society, it's something I had to accept if I were to ever get a university education. Shoulda been a scholar-athlete. Shoulda, coulda, woulda...

So, good for them. And good for them not succumbing to the temptation of violence (I don't really consider smashing property to be violent acts) against the police and so forth.

Thanks, beeline. One of my closest acquaintances here is American and he has has been pissing me off recently by saying things like "Well, goddammit, things are even tougher in the States!" I.e. (though not explicitly): "What the hell are they complaining about??" Well, what they're complaining about is being reduced to the status of an average American, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to complain about. (I am not equating you with him, beeline; I know you're saying something else. But that attitude is dismayingly common among the many Americans in this European town.)

It's a cold night in London and I gather the protestors are now gradually going home. But tonight is not the end of anything. On the contrary. And all those who imagine that things can go on as they are now, or that significant change can be achieved without property being broken and property-owners being frightened and indignant, are deceiving themselves.

82-28: I have no idea whether any provocateurs were involved in the so-called "violence", not least because practically no actual violence took place. The so-called "violence" against windows and walls was entirely justified and extremely moderate as a response to the brutal structural violence now being inflicted on an entire generation of human beings.

How the despicable BBC chooses to spin it is something else. (Cf. Wikileaks.)

http://atdhe.net/watch-bbc-news.php

[gnosticheresy_2]

I am heartened and inspired by what happened in London today. I support it fully, especially the destruction of property (it's stolen property: it's the former commons). Good on them for trashing, graffiti-ing and attempting to enter those government buildings. Good on them for defying the armoured defenders of the corporate state and the brutally sanctimonious hacks who defend it no less. Good on them for smashing the car windows of the heir-to-the-throne and putting the fear of god into him. (Good on them, too, for neither killing nor injuring nor even slightly hurting him. Who says they have no self-control? Who dares to call them VIOLENT?)

This.

I am proud of the students. As I write I'm seeing estimates of over 1000 students on Westminster bridge still being "kettled" plus loads of others running round central London. And this is just the students, we haven't seen anything from the unions or anyone else. Yet

The argument of the broken pane of glass is the most valuable argument in modern politics

[82_28]

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Thanks MacC, I don't condemn the students at all. In fact I get it---I'm currently $40K in debt to my student loans, and the indentured servitude was a huge reason I quit going to University in the first place. But the U.S. is a debt-oriented society, it's something I had to accept if I were to ever get a university education. Shoulda been a scholar-athlete. Shoulda, coulda, woulda...

So, good for them. And good for them not succumbing to the temptation of violence (I don't really consider smashing property to be violent acts) against the police and so forth.

Thanks, beeline. One of my closest acquaintances here is American and he has has been pissing me off recently by saying things like "Well, goddammit, things are even tougher in the States!" I.e. (though not explicitly): "What the hell are they complaining about??" Well, what they're complaining about is being reduced to the status of an average American, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to complain about. (I am not equating you with him, beeline; I know you're saying something else. But that attitude is dismayingly common among the many Americans in this European town.)

It's a cold night in London and I gather the protestors are now gradually going home. But tonight is not the end of anything. On the contrary. And all those who imagine that things can go on as they are now, or that significant change can be achieved without property being broken and property-owners being frightened and indignant, are deceiving themselves.

82-28: I have no idea whether any provocateurs were involved in the so-called "violence", not least because practically no actual violence took place. The so-called "violence" against windows and walls was entirely justified and extremely moderate as a response to the brutal structural violence now being inflicted on an entire generation of human beings.

How the despicable BBC chooses to spin it is something else. (Cf. Wikileaks.)

http://atdhe.net/watch-bbc-news.php

Just like Seattle 1999. It was provocateurs the whole way. I was there. No real damage was really done whatsoever besides a window or two.

[MacCruiskeen]

[AhabsOtherLeg]

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It was no surprise at the last demo when the cops left out a rusty old police van (with livery from the early nineties) as bait in the middle of the "kettle", hoping the crowd would trash it - so it could all be filmed, and used to portray the protest as "violent".

But isn't a bit much to use Charles and Camilla the same way?

Seriously, what were that pair doing there, in that particular place, at that particular time? Blatant provocateuring is no fit activity for people of their age and station.

The news is all outraged about it, as if anyone actually cares about Charles and Camilla.

As for the police van at the last demo, if anyone missed that one, according to some accounts the crowd didn't go for it at first (too obvious a trap) and the cops had to send in some of their own guys undercover to start the actual trashing - until they got shamed into stopping by a gang of girls. They know when they're being set up, or provoked, or led into the standard kettling areas, this lot. It really does make you proud.


Schoolgirls join hands to peacefully stop attacks on a police van during student protests in London

Apparently the guy who was pictured swinging on the flag at the Cenotaph is the son of David Gilmour, guitarist from Pink Floyd. He's not done anyone any favours with that performance, in terms of broader public sympathy, but all those who are up in arms now about the "terrible insult to the dead" really aren't worth listening to anyway, and never were.



"And they marched brothers, they marched, not for money, nor for jobs, but against a system that praises the dead, and condemns the living to misery and starvation..."

[stefano]

But isn't a bit much to use Charles and Camilla the same way?

I actually get the feeling Charles thought he'd wave and his subjects would doff their caps and petition him for succour or whatever.

the guy who was pictured swinging on the flag at the Cenotaph is the son of David Gilmour

Gathered at the Cenotaph
All agreed with the hand on heart
To sheath the sacrificial knifes

I thought a trick was missed failing to point out that Cameron, Johnson and Osborne did a bit of malicious damage to property in their student days as well.