suss website

[Project Willow]

I don't want to do this because the timing is so predictable, right before Xmas and the holiday week, when NSAT and MC survivors are at their most vulnerable states of the year.

And so I'll state clearly that I won't commit to a predictable level of response to this thread because self-care is paramount to any message I might feel obligated generate, no matter what.

I will offer this initial question however, have you, Jeremypsyops, (interesting handle to say the least) considered that you may be manipulating not mentally ill people, but people who've undergone very real torture-conditioning sessions whose symptoms happen to overlap those put forward by traditional TI's? Have you studied torture based mind control at all? Have you considered it in any form?

Let the games begin...

[82_28]

Echoing simulist, I think you need to clear a few things up, J. I don't know what your point is other than what your point is, which is, to me, so what? This really is RI 101 but without any kind of skepticism or self-effacing awareness. I think of all kinds of people who are not "targeted" but may read something like your site and be driven nuts, depending on where they are in their lives at the time. My main question is however, so what if any of us are targeted? Targeted for what and if we are then isn't it already game over? They can target me six ways to Sunday, but they're still not going to get anything of any value. However, fomenting this amorphous, invisible fear of being targeted, I would bet is just ducky for those who actually do the targeting -- though I would view the real damage is done at the macro level not by stalking various people who may happen across your website and feel justified now in their delusions. That certain radio and television broadcasts are fine tuned for each person they have chosen to stalk is absurd in the highest order.

What, for instance, is the income level of those being targeted? What is it they are doing to upset their affluent cart? Are they targeting the poor men and women down the street from me on antipsychotics? Is this only pertinent to American, North American or western Internet users? Is it only pertinent to those who frequent places like RI or cryptogon? Jeremy, what are your expertise and affiliations?

We're targeted on a daily basis. Right now we are within the throes of a fake ass holiday season which we've been targeted all of our lives doing damage to millions of people's lives as it is who make our cheap ass poisonous shit we wind up forgetting about. Knowing that you are targeted is 99.9% of the battle IMO, not the specific "who" in who is doing it. Go to a full football stadium sometime. Look around. You're a nobody. No matter what my emails say or what I've spoken about with others or the words I posted here at RI, I'm nobody. I'm not a dissident, I like to think of myself as a nice person within the grand scheme who sometimes has the ability to wake people up with kindness and sometimes unconventional opinion. But I can still talk sports, shit going on in the media, shit about video games, weather, the economy, technology you name it. I am who I am and if it is illegal to be who I am, then it's illegal. There's not much more we can do about that other than going about what we were doing before. None of us are Jason Bourne starring in a blockbuster action psychological thriller.

Are people targeted? No doubt. Does it warrant a website which makes people predisposed to paranoia to get virtually no a priori evidence as to the tips and tricks as to recognizing whether they are, even though the likelihood of it is slim to none? I don't think so. Ever heard of Facebook? Or how about the old phone book from the past? Somebody somewhere has always known where we are or where they can find us. Contributing to people's neuroses of and within a technology a vast many do not understand is not cool. The way that you personalize it for the random reader while leaving out multiple firm examples of this actually being a widespread technique is also, in my book, irresponsible.

[jeremypsyops]

I'll quote the last two posts...

I don't want to do this because the timing is so predictable, right before Xmas and the holiday week, when NSAT and MC survivors are at their most vulnerable states of the year.

I've been donating to Cryptogon for a while. I can't help it if the thread starter chose this week to post a link to my site.

Jeremypsyops, (interesting handle to say the least)

I used to use "<firstname>stalked", but since I've come to understand the dominant role of psychological operations and disinformation in targeting, I prefer to use a handle like this one when I'm plugging/defending my site's content.

Let the games begin...

Indeed.

The game

Have you studied torture based mind control at all? Have you considered it in any form?

Yes I have. I currently have a targeted Monarch survivor as a room mate.

Jeremy's manipulative, misleading ways

have you considered that you may be manipulating... people who've undergone very real torture-conditioning sessions whose symptoms happen to overlap those put forward by traditional TI's?

I think of all kinds of people who are not "targeted" but may read something like your site and be driven nuts, depending on where they are in their lives at the time... fomenting this amorphous, invisible fear of being targeted [among] various people who may happen across your website and feel justified now in their delusions.

I just wanted to juxtapose those two remarks because taken together, they illustrate what a difficult position I'm in.

I can't tell y'all how fun it is to be criticized by victims and TBMC survivors/sympathizers because my site isn't hard-core enough, while getting the "you're crazy" card from conspiracy theorists and the "you're fueling the paranoia of delusional people" treatment from concerned onlookers.

Now, on to the underlying concerns.

Overlap of TBMC/torture, human experimentation, and targeting

Have you considered [torture-based mind control] in any form?

Yes I have, and in fact, there is a significant overlap between targeted individuals and TBMC survivors. This shouldn't be surprising. Since TBMC survivors' memories are a record of serious crimes committed against them or in their presence, the powerful people or agencies who committed those crimes have an interest in painting them as unreliable witnesses.

I've taken two surveys in which it is revealed that a large minority of targets are exhibiting symptoms consistent with multiple personality disorder, which I assume you know is linked to TBMC and child sexual abuse. More on those surveys in a bit.

What, for instance, is the income level of those being targeted? What is it they are doing to upset their affluent cart?

I don't know what the income level of targets is/was before being targeted, but after being targeted, it is typical for them to be destitute. What seemed to be an unusually large fraction of targets reported being targeted at around the time of a major financial windfall in a May survey I ran, but the data set was small back then, and my survey methods were unsophisticated. I'll have to try a similar survey in 2011 with a much larger crowd and better tools.

What's the profile of a targeted individual? Two recent surveys paint a fairly consistent picture. It's not ethnically based. It doesn't appear to be based on gender, or political affiliation. The four dominant factors in targeting are:
* Having a father in the military;
* Having tested for a high (140+) IQ as a child;
* Exhibiting symptoms of multiple personality disorder, suggesting victimization through TBMC or child sexual abuse;
* Living alone before being targeted.

Survey results, December 2010

Survey results, October 2010

There may also be targeted whistleblowers (see my write up of Jay Carciero's case) and that's important, but we're not going to hear much from them because most of them understand that targeting is a direct attack on their credibility, so they can't talk about it while blowing the whistle.


You so crazy!

That certain radio and television broadcasts are fine tuned for each person they have chosen to stalk is absurd in the highest order.

That's the reaction they want; good dog, here's a biscuit. This tactic is taken directly out of diagnosticians' manuals. The idea is to trick the target into exhibiting the symptoms of delusions of reference.

Notes on tricking targets into reporting the symptoms of mental illness

Note that I have recorded shows where I noticed personalized messages, and compared my copies to the copies available on Hulu, and found the copies differed in exactly the places where I noticed those messages. And pray tell, what is someone supposed to do when they gather that kind of evidence?

Aren't we all targeted?

We're targeted on a daily basis... [we're all getting bombarded with propaganda]... The way that you personalize it for the random reader while leaving out multiple firm examples of this actually being a widespread technique is also, in my book, irresponsible.

I don't think it's widespread. I think that at any given time, the number of people getting this kind of treatment is in the thousands, at most. However, the impact that this is having on your life, due to whistleblowers being silenced/discredited, might be greater than you could imagine. I also think the technology is used in many opportunistic ways, not limited to targeting. Finally, the agenda behind targeting might be very sinister - what if they're planning on rolling this out on a larger scale? What else are they covering up? - and so you should probably be interested in that.

But realistically, I'm trying to get through to targets who still think their situation is unique, and I'm trying to raise the bar for discussions of this nature so that whistleblowers will be willing to talk about it.

[Wombaticus Rex]

^^That was pretty artful. I like the cut of your jib, thanks for swinging through. Please consider sticking around, or at least malingering about.

[tron]

sorry if i offended dude...wish icould have remembered what peaked my suss meter

stick around

i swear i see ppl who are interested in me

can think why, im borings

[nathan28]

I currently have a targeted Monarch survivor as a room mate.

(just getting prepared)

[82_28]

sorry if i offended dude...wish icould have remembered what peaked my suss meter

stick around

i swear i see ppl who are interested in me

can think why, im borings

I think it may be all the garish neon you wear.

Jeremy, I didn't mean to offend either. I'm still all ears. Forgive any skeptical questions I may raise. I still have more, but I'll just keep reading this thread and check in on your site from time to time before I pipe up.

[Occult Means Hidden]

Why can't life be as simple as a Minor Threat discography? Also suss= ron suskind?

[jeremypsyops]

I currently have a targeted Monarch survivor as a room mate.

(Picture of frame-retardant suit deleted)

Yes, I know that there's no government program called "Project Monarch". I don't know what the official name of that program is, and neither do the survivors, but the women call it "Monarch" because Monarch butterflies figure prominently in the programming.

There's a different approach taken with male children, either in the same program or a different program with no known official name, which many survivors call Phoenix.

ps. to tron and others: no hard feelings. This topic triggers a lot of knee jerk reactions.

[nathan28]

There's a different approach taken with male children, either in the same program or a different program with no known official name, which many survivors call Phoenix.

So, let me get this straight. Torture-based mind control in male children was a "Phoenix program"? And this relates to the Chilean mine rescue? Hugh Manatee Wins, please report to the front desk. Paging Hugh Manatee Wins.

[jeremypsyops]

So, let me get this straight. Torture-based mind control in male children was a "Phoenix program"? And this relates to the Chilean mine rescue?

Hey, I was just following your lead and linking random stuff.

I'm sorry, I momentarily forgot that some people have no interest in these threads other than derailing them, or starting flame wars, or both.

[cptmarginal]

Note that I have recorded shows where I noticed personalized messages, and compared my copies to the copies available on Hulu, and found the copies differed in exactly the places where I noticed those messages. And pray tell, what is someone supposed to do when they gather that kind of evidence?

Post the video online, obviously

[nathan28]

So, let me get this straight. Torture-based mind control in male children was a "Phoenix program"? And this relates to the Chilean mine rescue?

Hey, I was just following your lead and linking random stuff.

I'm sorry, I momentarily forgot that some people have no interest in these threads other than derailing them, or starting flame wars, or both.

The link I posted was, in fact, on-topic. What I remain suspicious is the conflation of a US gov't sponsored terror campaign in Vietnam, with actual Sidney Gottlieb-esque programs including the use of BZ on US troops, with torture-based mind-control being deployed on children. In fact, what I do find with the query ""mind control" phoenix" are two late '90s pages that suggest that Phoenix started with the work of Wilhelm Reich and involved by the mid '80s time travel.

Let me try this another way. When I see

gov't drug experiments
mind control programs
overseas terror campaigns
orgone theory
time travel

All in one single page from before 2000, claiming they are in fact all part of one phenomenon, well, check your sources carefully, then check again.

[Project Willow]

Jeremypsyops, please do not assign my grumbling to certainty. I asked a series of questions because I am sincerely interested in the answers.

Back to my original questions, which call for much more detail than simple yes or no. I'll list here some symptoms I see as overlapping between TI's and TBMC survivors, and list the TBMC causes:

1. Ringing, buzzing, static or other tinnitus type noises in the ears, or through the telephone
Alter(s) present or blending who underwent psychic driving or other sound oriented torture/conditioning sessions.

2. Alterations to and/or tampering with dwellings and personal belongings
Perp-compliant or other alter activity

3. Hearing "voices" that sound different from one's accustomed internal thought voice.
Alters speaking or remembering the voices of perpetrators.

4. Feeling dizzy, lethargic, or not in tuned with one's physical self.
Alters blending who've been drugged or who are traumatized into out of body like states, also some programming was designed to mimic symptoms of schizophrenia.

5. Intrusive repetitive thoughts.
Alters up or blending who experienced Cameron type programming or who were bombarded with various repeated messages.

6. Severe anxiety and distrust of others
A completely normal response to having been repeatedly abused and tortured as a child and into adulthood.

7. Being followed or accessed
This is likely to occur as a survivor begins to heal through therapy and/or begins to speak out and the perps wish to reinforce programming.

What are some symptoms of TI's that you feel absolutely demonstrate an electronic origin?

Why don't you list and posit alternative origins (such as TBMC) on your website?

General Questions about the TI Phenomena:

Electronics Should be Detectable
If TI's are attacked via electronic means, no matter what kind of energy wave, it must be machine produced and therefore measurable and detectable. Have there been any cases where a TI has been able to record what he or she was being attacked with? If not, why not?

Why?
Why would the government employ dozens of people around the clock to target one individual? I ask this sincerely as that's the part that never made any sense to me. I can see a cult that was losing a member to therapy perform some plainly threatening gangstalking or street theater, but only on a limited basis. Every organization, even criminal networks, has resource limits and it just doesn't make any sense to invest so much on a single individual when the benefit is either unknown or highly questionable.

[jeremypsyops]

Two sets of answers for the price of one.

In fact, what I do find with the query ""mind control" phoenix" are two late '90s pages that suggest that Phoenix started with the work of Wilhelm Reich and involved by the mid '80s time travel.

Okay, let's do this. You mention some of your life experiences (assuming you have any worth talking about), and some stuff you've studied and found interesting, and I'll use Google to find a page covering some of the same material written by an obvious loon. (It's a variation of Rule 34: if you can talk about it, there's someone crazy writing about it.) Then I'll point and laugh and say, "Look! This person is crazy, therefore everything you're talking about is nonsense!"

If you think this is a reasonable debate tactic, have fun on the Internets; just stay out of this thread. If you don't, then reconsider what you wrote.

I asked a series of questions because I am sincerely interested in the answers.

Back to my original questions, which call for much more detail than simple yes or no. I'll list here some symptoms I see as overlapping between TI's and TBMC survivors, and list the TBMC causes...

What are some symptoms of TI's that you feel absolutely demonstrate an electronic origin?

Why don't you list and posit alternative origins (such as TBMC) on your website?

TBMC is something I haven't covered in the past, because I haven't felt I had good sources on the subject.

As for symptoms that "absolutely demonstrate an electronic origin", first I would have to record the electronic signals. Very few TI's have recorded anything - I'll cover that in a bit - and besides, what do recordings of unusual emissions prove? Think before you answer that.

Most TI's who believe they are getting electronically harassed have very specific reasons for thinking so. What else would "go away" when the TI is inside a steel container, for example?

Electronics Should be Detectable
If TI's are attacked via electronic means, no matter what kind of energy wave, it must be machine produced and therefore measurable and detectable. Have there been any cases where a TI has been able to record what he or she was being attacked with? If not, why not?

A few observations. First, there have been a handful of instances where TI's have recorded unusually high levels of microwave-frequency radiation in their residences. So what do you do with this information? Electronic harassment is only illegal in two states, Maine and Michigan, and good luck proving that a specific person is attacking you to the satisfaction of the police, who are not equipped to investigate this sort of thing. The only relief on this front has come from a civil suit (a restraining order) in one case in Kansas.

Second, if it's actual mind control technology, and let's say the target is implanted with military or intelligence-agency implants, why would you expect to be able to pick up the signals? Do this: find out how much it costs to get your hands on a spectrum analyzer capable of picking up ultrawideband signals or nonstandard frequency-hopping signals of microsecond duration.

Third, even if exotic signal types aren't being used and the target is being attacked with directed energy weapons, you can't afford equipment that picks up extremely high frequency signals, like the 95 GHz signals used in the Active Denial System.

Finally, attacks may be sporadic, and they may be saved for when equipment or investigators aren't listening. Electronic harassment is not like physical assault. In the vast majority of cases, no obvious physical evidence is left behind. You have to catch the attacks as they're happening... do you have any idea how hard that is?

Why?
Why would the government employ dozens of people around the clock to target one individual?

It seems like you're coming into this thread with preconceived notions. I've already addressed this question: I don't think they are employing dozens of people around the clock to go after an individual. I think it's a small handful of people or possibly even one person, using psychological torture protocols, psychological operations, and mind control technology to make himself look much more threatening than he is.

it just doesn't make any sense to invest so much on a single individual when the benefit is either unknown or highly questionable.

Even when you throw in the mind control technology explanation, the fact is that a lot of resources are being expended on a relatively small group of people. My surveys have revealed that these people have unusual backgrounds, with an unusually high percentage of them coming from military families. A handful of them (I've talked to one) "know too much". Quite a few more have personal characteristics suggesting they are actual TBMC survivors, and I've actually talked to a few of them who remember their MKULTRA or Monarch backgrounds, and are being punished for remembering.

So the people getting this kind of treatment are unusual, even if they don't know it, and have ties to military/CIA experimentation in an awful lot of cases. It's a human experimentation and witness eradication program. It's kind of expensive to run programs like these, but they help protect or enrich powerful people - the real purpose of most government activity - and besides, you're paying for it.