April 19 2011

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Re: April 19 2011

Postby alwyn » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:20 am

hava1 wrote:
although I stopped the habit altogether, so I am in no position to offer reviews of prefered haggada. I find it a bit macabre to celebrate exodus while in slavery under Jewish government in the promised land.


:rofl: :egyptian: :praybow

sweet baby jesus, hava....too poignantly funny. I am glad you are ok, hope the car wreck is not too terribly wallet flattening...

I have to put forth to this list that my boy was born on this day, so it is not all bad. I am currently thinking of passover in terms of the nuclear fukushima we are all getting...wondering what I can put on the lintel for that....maybe bentonite and seaweed and some rose for a homeopathic sort of umbrella....
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Re: April 19 2011

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:55 am

From yesterday April 19th

"Error caused first lady's plane to abort landing
Air controllers blamed as White House jet comes too close to massive military plane "

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Re: April 19 2011

Postby Luposapien » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:59 am

alwyn wrote:I have to put forth to this list that my boy was born on this day, so it is not all bad.


I'll second that! The older of my two daughters was also born on April 19 (as well as her maternal step-grandfather, and one of her best friends from down the street). Dates being the arbitrary things that they are, I prefer to associate it with her and not any of the number of famous/infamous events posted in the original list.
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Re: April 19 2011

Postby norton ash » Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:22 pm

I guess a number of us (but not enough worldwide) had a good April 19. Here's to a good 4/20.

Paranoia Pollyanna says maybe the leaks and anons are forestalling psy-ops and spectacles. Or maybe it's that we're already so terrorized, fed-up and off-balance this spring that the spooks are taking a few weeks off until someone orders up a dramatic twist.

And kids-- I know it's tempting, but just say NO to shooting up the school on 4/20, even if you know the cops are busy today donning their riot gear for the pro-weed rallies.
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Re: April 19 2011

Postby hava1 » Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:55 pm

thanks, turns out I have an insurance , sometimes I am more organized than I thought, or the insurance guy was very smooth to talk me into paying for that sort of "third party insurance". So i'll be ok, except for some 250 $ i need to pay as contribution or something, coz it was my fault. turns out the owners of the car are a nice family living nearby, so that's kind of ok. I wouldnt say a blessing in disguise, but one of those ...well...we have a saying here "let this be your worst problem", meaning, no fuss.


alwyn wrote:
hava1 wrote:
although I stopped the habit altogether, so I am in no position to offer reviews of prefered haggada. I find it a bit macabre to celebrate exodus while in slavery under Jewish government in the promised land.


:rofl: :egyptian: :praybow

sweet baby jesus, hava....too poignantly funny. I am glad you are ok, hope the car wreck is not too terribly wallet flattening...

I have to put forth to this list that my boy was born on this day, so it is not all bad. I am currently thinking of passover in terms of the nuclear fukushima we are all getting...wondering what I can put on the lintel for that....maybe bentonite and seaweed and some rose for a homeopathic sort of umbrella....
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Re: April 19 2011

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:59 pm

I'm on Jury Duty today in NYC, and it just occurred to me that maybe I should have worn my bomb-proof underwear...
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Re: April 19 2011

Postby NeonLX » Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:43 pm

Thanks for the update, hava1!

Happy to hear that things turned out as well as they did.

Maybe I'll look forward to April 19 next year! :thumbsup
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Re: April 19 2011

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:58 pm

Bruce Dazzling wrote:I'm on Jury Duty today in NYC, and it just occurred to me that maybe I should have worn my bomb-proof underwear...


Just got out and I'm happy to report that there were no Court House bombings.
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Re: April 19 2011

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:29 pm

Bruce Dazzling wrote:
Bruce Dazzling wrote:I'm on Jury Duty today in NYC, and it just occurred to me that maybe I should have worn my bomb-proof underwear...


Just got out and I'm happy to report that there were no Court House bombings.


In Littleton Colorado on the 12 year anniversary of Columbine, a pipebomb with two propane tanks was found at the mall.
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Re: April 19 2011

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:01 pm

happy mass shooting anniversary day


ON EDIT ...SHE HAS BEEN FOUND DEAD


purchased gun legally in Colorado

self-inflicted gunshot
Sol Pais found dead near base of Mt. Evans ending massive manhunt, sources say
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/l ... ources-say


Denver schools closed as FBI searches for an armed woman 'infatuated' with the Columbine shooting

(CNN) — Denver Public Schools and almost 20 other local school districts are closed Wednesday as authorities search for a woman whom they described as armed and "infatuated" with the Columbine mass shooting days before the 20th anniversary of the attack.

Local, state and federal officials are searching for Sol Pais, 18. She made "credible" -- but unspecific -- threats after traveling from Miami to Denver on Monday night, and is considered dangerous, said Dean Phillips, the special agent in charge of the local FBI office.

After she arrived, she immediately went to a store and bought a pump action shotgun and ammunition, the FBI said Tuesday night.

Pais is considered a threat to the community and schools, but there is no information on any specific threat to a particular location, Phillips said.

Nearly 20 school districts will be closed


Nearly 20 school districts in the greater Denver area will be closed Wednesday due to security concerns just days ahead of the 20th anniversary of the Columbine High School shooting.

They include the Douglas County School District , Aurora Public Schools, Jefferson County Public Schools and Cherry Creek Schools. Columbine High School is in Jefferson County.

"There are many people that work diligently day in and day out ... that are making the very best decisions they can for the sake of the kids who are in schools each and every day," said Jefferson County Sheriff Jeff Shrader. "We want our schools to be a safe place for kids to learn."

The Colorado Department of Education recommended that Denver area schools conduct lockouts and controlled release Tuesday after the alleged threats.

In a lockout, exterior doors are locked, and school continues as normal.

Columbine High and several schools in the area were part of the lockout, the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office tweeted.

The FBI Denver Division and Jefferson County Sheriff's Office are asking for the public's help locating Pais.
The FBI Denver Division and Jefferson County Sheriff's Office are asking for the public's help locating Pais.
She was last seen wearing camouflage pants


After Pais arrived in the state Monday and purchased a pump action shotgun and ammunition, she went to the foothills, where she was last seen, Phillips said.

"Her comments, her actions that we have heard about from others tend to cause us great concern that she may pose a threat to a school," he added.

Officials released an image of Pais. She is about 5-foot-5 and was last seen wearing a black T-shirt, camouflage pants and black boots, authorities said.

Authorities said they are being especially cautious because Pais' statements don't express a specific plan and were mostly spoken.

"She did make statements that were threatening to schools and she did purchase a firearm ... and that's why she's a credible threat," said Patricia Billinger, a spokeswoman with the Colorado Department of Public Safety.

Anniversary of Columbine shooting is this week


Columbine High School is seen during a lockdown after being alerted to a "credible threat" by authorities on Tuesday.
Columbine High School is seen during a lockdown after being alerted to a "credible threat" by authorities on Tuesday.
The 20th anniversary of the shooting at Columbine High School is days away.

On April 20, 1999, two students killed 12 of their schoolmates and one teacher in a mass shooting at the high school in the town of Littleton -- about 10 miles from Denver.

"I know that this opens a wound, especially on an anniversary week, for those families who were most deeply impacted by this," Shrader said.

At this point, there might not be enough probable cause to arrest Pais, but the federal and state attorneys' offices are working to develop appropriate charges, Phillips said. He said once they detain her, they will hold her for as long as they legally can.

Authorities said they have not identified any connections she has with Colorado and most of her threats were spoken. They are asking for the public's help finding her, and tips can be sent to the tip line at (303) 630-6227 or emailed to denverfbitips@fbi.gov.

CNN's Sheena Jones, Scott McLean and Darran Simon contributed to this report.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/17/us/colum ... index.html



We Need to Bury the Columbine Shooters
Unending focus on the pair who struck in 1999 keeps fueling copycat attackers, our investigation shows.


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Two of the future shooters were just infants and a third wasn’t even born yet when Columbine happened. But by the time they each attacked their schools last year, all three young men had drawn inspiration from the pair who committed suicidal mass murder at their Colorado high school on April 20, 1999.

“I’m thinking about doing my school the same way,” one commented online prior to opening fire at his former high school in Ocala, Florida, 19 years later to the day. “Everybody will know my name,” he added. The shooter in Parkland, Florida, also researched the Columbine attack, and recorded himself on video: “When you see me on the news, you’ll all know who I am.” The high school junior who went on a rampage last May in Santa Fe, Texas, wore a trench coat and insignia that echoed the Columbine perpetrators’ attire.

There have been many others like them: young men (and a few young women) who have plotted or carried out violent attacks that were influenced by the “Columbine effect.” When I first reported in 2015 about this phenomenon and the media’s growing role in motivating mass shooters, our Mother Jones investigation documented the Columbine effect in 74 plots and attacks spanning 30 states. The data, drawn from news coverage, public records, and interviews with mental health and law enforcement experts, revealed some stark behavioral patterns—all linked to the perpetrators’ desire for media attention and notoriety. Some planned to strike on the anniversary of the Columbine attack, like the shooter in Ocala last April. (There have been at least 18 anniversary-related plots and attacks.) Others aspired to outdo the Columbine body count. Many explicitly identified with the Columbine shooters, hailing them as “heroes,” “martyrs,” or “gods.” Some even took pilgrimage-style trips to suburban Denver, from as far away as North Carolina and Washington state, to visit Columbine High School before returning home to carry out shootings.

Today, the Columbine effect is even more grimly pronounced than it was in 2015. Additional cases since then bring the total to more than 100 plots and attacks influenced by the 1999 shooting. And those are just the cases for which there is some kind of public record: In talking with law enforcement and mental health sources who work to prevent such attacks, I’ve learned of dozens more Columbine-influenced threats that never made the news.

“We’ve taken more guns off kids this year than any other year, and it’s not just here. My counterparts I’m talking to around the country are seeing the same thing.”
As the response to the recent massacre in New Zealand showed, public officials and the media have made some improvement on how they react to mass shooters—downplaying their names and faces and choosing not to publish gruesome footage or images—to avoid granting shooters the infamy they seek. But the blitz of media coverage for this week’s 20th anniversary of the Columbine attack has once again put the perpetrators on display. Again, we see the familiar image from surveillance footage of one of them wielding a gun in the school cafeteria. Again, from videos the pair recorded, we see images of them in their trench coats and sunglasses, grinning with their weapons in hand.

Shooter-focused media coverage does not cause a person to commit violence. Nor do various salacious internet sites devoted to Columbine or other high-profile cases. Most mass shooters are motivated by a complex set of factors including entrenched grievances and behavioral health problems, as detailed in a major study from the FBI published last year. But the impact from persistent sensational coverage of the Columbine shooters—produced with what purpose?—keeps showing up in case after case. They often get renewed publicity after the latest school shooting. In the view of several mental health experts I’ve spoken with, such content has fed an enduring false narrative that the pair were social outcasts who took a stand against bullying. (In reality, sociopathy, suicidal depression, and other factors drove their behavior.)

Listen to Mark Follman discuss his investigation into copycat shooters, and how the media, mental health experts and public officials are responding, on the Mother Jones podcast:

Kris Mohandie, a forensic psychologist who has assessed youth offenders fixated on Columbine, says the massacre should no longer be treated as some dark cultural touchstone. “Those two offenders should be made as anonymous as possible,” he says. “I think the reporting needs to downplay the people who did it, while underscoring what we’ve learned about how to manage these kinds of people, the things wrong with them.”

The fact that Columbine grew to be shorthand has itself fueled the problem.

“Every single school shooting, the media calls it a Columbine-style attack,” says John McDonald, a threat assessment expert who oversees security for the 157 public schools serving roughly 85,000 students in Colorado’s Jefferson County, including Columbine High School. The worsening copycat problem has tracked with a rise in threat cases more broadly. “We’ve taken more guns off kids this year than any other year, and it’s not just here,” McDonald told me. “My counterparts I’m talking to around the country are seeing the same thing.” Following a string of workplace shootings in the 1980s, he noted, “It used to be called ‘going postal.’ Now it’s ‘doing a Columbine.’”

JeffCo, as the region is known locally, has seen a sharp rise in threat cases in each of the past several years, including a fresh one that disrupted its school system this week. The district has already logged more than 800 cases in the current school year; until the rate began climbing six years ago, there were fewer than 100 cases annually. As of mid-April, 46 of this year’s cases were serious enough to be elevated from the individual school level to JeffCo’s district-wide threat assessment team, which taps additional expertise to handle the most worrisome cases. The surge in threats has included outsiders increasingly showing up at Columbine, according to McDonald. And the other disturbing behavioral patterns continue: In March, a Texas man armed with a knife told an officer who intercepted him in the Columbine parking lot that “the soul” of one of the shooters “lives in my heart.”

The Columbine effect hasn’t just been exacerbated by news outlets; public officials around the country routinely describe threats to schools as “Columbine-style plots,” sometimes even when there is no specific indication of a copycat factor. The problem has also spread internationally in recent years: There have been at least a dozen Columbine-influenced cases ranging from Canada to countries in Europe and Latin America, including a suicidal mass shooting carried out last month at a school in Brazil by two former students.

With April 20 approaching, public attention should focus on the resiliency of the Columbine survivors and community, and on lessons learned about safety and prevention. One strategic legacy of Columbine is that law enforcement no longer waits to move in and confront active shooters. Experts have learned a lot since 1999 about behaviors and motivations that can lead to gun rampages, including the allure of the media spotlight.

It’s time to bury the Columbine shooters.

To the extent that the focus remains on them, “those two offenders would be nothing but thrilled to see that there’s a two-decade marking of this event,” says Mohandie. “They had this grandiose fantasy that they would be remembered. What’s perverted about the whole thing is that, in a way, they got what they wanted.”
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