worst human trafficking case I've ever heard of

[8bitagent]

I'm sure he's not saying it's all a psyop. Look at the Drug War, They aren't really trying to stamp out the drug trade but they still put out all sorts of fearmongering about it while profiting from it at the same time.

Oh absolutely. I mean shoot, propaganda blackbox Fox News did a piece two years ago with Geraldo in Helmand Province Afghanistan interviewing army crew protecting poppy crops and helping locals facilitate illegal narcotic trafficking. Well's Fargo's Wachovia bank was caught knowlingly laundering an insane 384 BILLION dollars in drug money, and a UN official said that drug money has helped keep the banks afloat. Meanwhile some of the biggest drug lords in Afghanistan have been shown to be on the CIA payroll, and it's well known for awhile a lot of ecstacy rings were part of Israeli Mossad.

My view on child sex slavery is that like Islamic terror groups, arms smuggling and the drug trade it all leads back to the same globalist entities. Rather than human traffic numbers being somehow propaganda pushed by imperialist Western governments, human trafficking is itself stage managed by these fascist networks. I've seen quite a number of mainstream articles from the 90's to present showing corridors of power within the United Nations itself, private companies, defense, and heads of governments from Dubai to Portugal deeply involved with this sickening phenomenon. So systemic, like the endless slavery/drug/arms routes of Kosovo and Albania by the globalists, that key fundamental disruptions within this framework seem impossible.

But we're talking about one of the most key horrific attrocities going on in the world. If Darfur was corporations using Sudan to clear a path for oil contracts, this phenomenon seems wholly predicated on fulfilling the sick jollies of soulless people in power or others in complete moral decay.

The imperialist powers LOVE slavery, look how Haliburton KBR and Dyncorp(caught once again running child kidnapping in Afghanistan just a few years ago) tried desperately to stop a ban on human slavery in 2005.

[8bitagent]

Communities hold the key to solving their own issues. It can only be done from the grassroots. Not Aid agencies, not Intl NGOs, not Christian evangelists, not army, not cops, not drones, not government - It's people.

Sadly, NGO's have been caught involved in kidnapping children.

But wait...if you're saying Western imperialist powers are inflating/hyping the advent of child kidnapping for propaganda purposes(even though, nothing has been done by them to even attempt to stop it)
why is it the imperialist powers themselves continually caught being involved in this stuff?

United Nations involved in worldwide pedofile networks and child kidnapping rings worldwide...from Haiti and Liberia to the Congo, Kosovo and everywhere in between
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6195830.stm

Top Portugese and South African officials involved in pedofile ring
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3355621.stm

Top Chilean officials accused of involvement in child sex rings
http://boston.com/news/world/articles/2 ... _congress/

UN staff accused of raping children in Sudan
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Sudan.html

UN ship found with crates filled with East Timorese child sex slaves
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_pag ... 01,00.html

Dyncorp and United Nations fought hard to coverup deep involvement in underage sex slavery in Bosnia during the late 1990's
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature ... index.html

There's hundreds of these articles dating back to 1997, a lot of them are more recent. They also include articles on child slavery in Dubai and Saudi Arabia connected to top officials.

These are all the Western powers, the real axis of evil as you're making clear. But far from being used as propaganda, they definitely would like to keep this hush hush...just like the fact they control the Islamic terrorists.

[Stephen Morgan]

Of course, but just because it's a real problem doesn't mean it isn't being manipulated, or exagerated in scale, so as to produce a certain response. Islamic terrorism may be controlled, but it exists, and the threat was massively overplayed to cause outrage and fear-driven hysteria. And drugs, which have a certain level of threat to them, have the fear of the reefer madness pushed by the same people who protect the trade. So the sort of hysterical, bed-wetting panic you get in the papers about human trafficking should be seen in the same light.

[8bitagent]

Of course, but just because it's a real problem doesn't mean it isn't being manipulated, or exagerated in scale, so as to produce a certain response. Islamic terrorism may be controlled, but it exists, and the threat was massively overplayed to cause outrage and fear-driven hysteria. And drugs, which have a certain level of threat to them, have the fear of the reefer madness pushed by the same people who protect the trade. So the sort of hysterical, bed-wetting panic you get in the papers about human trafficking should be seen in the same light.

I get what you're saying. I just find it interesting there's no war to save children from sex or labor trafficking, yet America has invested countless billions in the "war on drugs" and "war on terror".
I also get fear for fear sake, but for the purposes of using propaganda to stir up the public to support imperialist wars...the topic of child slavery I can't recall ever being used as a kind of casus beli by the West.
The statistics do sound striking, if believable...as the numbers given by groups or officials sounds staggering and at pandemic levels. Who knows what to believe...tho when you see in UK news documentaries
reporters going to southeast asia and witnessing small children in brothels or in cages, it puts in stark color a reality to horror.

[blanc]

Where is the hysteria over human trafficking or the panic over organised child abuse please? I somehow have missed it.

[wintler2]

Where is the hysteria over human trafficking or the panic over organised child abuse please? I somehow have missed it.

If i understand Parel, it is within the article at the start of this thread and others of its type, rather than say an everpresent phenomena in current mainstream media.

[wintler2]

.. yet another well honed debunk of the experience of so many people ..

I don't see that in Parels posts, can you point to it?

[parel]

Ten years of war. What part of that is not being understood? I am angry because many in this thread are supporting a WAR.
http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/index.htm

Are peope being wilfully ignorant?

These tragic stories are embedded in an violent machine. It is disingenuous to peruse them and not view them in the context of the war.

A fully kitted, funded WAR.

[barracuda]

Same goes for the other Imperialist scum in this thread.

Parel, it would be appreciated if you might keep it civil here. Most people on this board are fully aware of the manner in which the Imperium uses hot buttons of human rights, trafficking, the drug trade, etc., to justify their wars. If you can depersonalise your fellow posters as "scum" in the course of a discussion such as this one, I find it hard to view your perspective as containing the empathic qualities I expect from those outside the core of that empire's influence.

[parel]

Yes of course. Heaven forbid anybody would get angry about being trapped in a DEATH CULT with people whose politics seem otherwise sound, but ONE particular topic are prepared to make an exception. Enjoy your war good, well-meaning, moral, butter-wouldn't-melt-in-our mouth people.

[Stephen Morgan]

Where is the hysteria over human trafficking or the panic over organised child abuse please? I somehow have missed it.

If i understand Parel, it is within the article at the start of this thread and others of its type, rather than say an everpresent phenomena in current mainstream media.

It's generally ignored and occasionally dredged up on special occasions. The world cup, for example, always gets talk of hundreds of thousands of sex slaves being dragged in to service the supposedly bestial market for football (the Oympics also).

[crikkett]

#@%!!!1!

Lashing out doesn't win anyone to your side. It allows people to presume that whatever you're writing is bullshit and a waste of time, and therefore to skip over your posts.

Just a note of constructive criticism. You might have something worthwhile to say, and will catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

[stefano]

The big question in my mind is : WHY WOULD ANYONE trust the US government to SAVE ANyONE??

You seem to be projecting here: no-one has connected the US Government to any of this in any way. Nor is anyone calling for some kind of pseudo-humanist intervention. As barracuda pointed out, most of us here know what the score is. And the fact that these things are used as a casus belli is no reason to feel that it's better not to discuss them. That's what I think, although I've also fallen foul of the more conventional liberal thinkers here.

Also, there are manifestations of nastiness that are far older than industrial empire, and what I like about this place is the effort some posters (and Jeff) expend in connecting them to the control system you're talking about. I'm interested in them, at any rate, and thank operator kos for his post.

[hanshan]

The big question in my mind is : WHY WOULD ANYONE trust the US government to SAVE ANyONE??

You seem to be projecting here: no-one has connected the US Government to any of this in any way. Nor is anyone calling for some kind of pseudo-humanist intervention. As barracuda pointed out, most of us here know what the score is. And the fact that these things are used as a casus belli is no reason to feel that it's better not to discuss them. That's what I think, although I've also fallen foul of the more conventional liberal thinkers here.

Also, there are manifestations of nastiness that are far older than industrial empire, and what I like about this place is the effort some posters (and Jeff) expend in connecting them to the control system you're talking about. I'm interested in them, at any rate, and thank operator kos for his post.

ayup... goes w/out saying, but tx sayin' it anyways...




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[blanc]

It's generally ignored and occasionally dredged up on special occasions. The world cup, for example, always gets talk of hundreds of thousands of sex slaves being dragged in to service the supposedly bestial market for football (the Oympics also).

I've no idea what this is about Stephen Morgan. I tend to see catatonia rather than hysteria in the face of complaints brought by victims of the crimes I referred to. Were the cases I personally know of to have been investigated in anything but the most desultory or dismissive way if at all, or were even say one in fifty of them to have been pursued
in a manner likely to bring the guilty to court...... I could get my head round what appears to be an invitation to a trip through a hall of mirrors. Perhaps I just don't read the same newspapers as you do.

Wintler2 I can't see a part of the report cited at the start of the thread which strikes me as hysterical. Which part? Well honed debunk didn't refer to a poster here but rather to the link.