The Miscreants Global Bust-Out - the Deep Capture of America

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Searcher-

I'm not personally inclined to read this whole thing in-depth, as I saw enough to set off several red flags.

If you have a different reading of what the thesis is, could you tell us please?

Researchers such as Daniel Hopsicker and Indira Singh have pointed to transnational mafiya - drug - jihadi networks and their intersections.

Just in reading the second chapter, I am seeing organisations that Indira Singh encountered in her investigations into Ptech.

I will report back when I have read the whole thing, but as I said I am reading for a White Hat facts rather than Red Hat feelings / intuition.

Oh certainly jihadis are in the mix- as are mafiosos and jews, for example, but this need not mean that the problems hinge on these factors.

Too many of these sorts of reports use some "true facts" in the service of extremely misleading conclusions. Now certainly a discerning reader could draw from some of the facts marshalled to support their own theorizing but critical analysis of the series would be essential, in my view.

Anyway, please do update us as to your reading of the thesis- I read the concluding sections more thoroughly and do feel that the overall thrust of the text is indeed misleading. It will be interesting to see if you come to a different conclusion.

I think one of the difficulties around investigating deep state issues is that it seems that deep state actors can and do engage in actions which are totally irrational to outsiders (in fact, perhaps that should be 'sane people' rather than 'outsiders').

I agree with your point regarding being aware of biases - one sign that is worth mentioning is that he is not afraid to say that he really doesnt know about an area he is investigating and puts forward evidence for multiple viewpoints. For example his take on Roman Abramovitch who went from 'who he?' to Chelsea FC owning multi-billionaire...

My biggest interest in this will be to see what he reveals about ptech - as that company seems to be very near the 'Heart of Darkness' of 9/11.

I do agree that looking for consistently rational behavior from elites is a mistake- and a classic error of orthodox marxists, to cite just one example.

Also, Ptech- yes a very interesting group with regards to 9/11 but whatever evidence we find of jihadi involvement, we still face alll those very important questions about tails and dogs and all that.

Even a cursory examination of the JFK literature shows how focusing on isolated aspects of a larger ecology can lead to "red herring" problems, sometimes as the conspirators desired...

I think that 'ecology' is a very good word to keep in mind in looking through investigations like this. There are cycles, patterns, fractal-like behaviour, predator -prey relationships... also parasitism - did you see Catherine Austin Fitts?

Also, I think it is important to think - "Well, So What?" - what is the action value of this information, what difference can it make? A question I am really wrestling with TBH




Many years ago I remember talking to a senior "HAL Corporation" exec; he was from New Jersey and said many bright young guys had a choice of either going mafia or going corporate. He said a lot of senior managers he knew managed their corporate territories like dons.

[American Dream]

Many years ago I remember talking to a senior "HAL Corporation" exec; he was from New Jersey and said many bright young guys had a choice of either going mafia or going corporate. He said a lot of senior managers he knew managed their corporate territories like dons.

Sometimes the distinction is very, very fuzzy indeed.

Especially in New Jersey.

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Searcher-

I'm not personally inclined to read this whole thing in-depth, as I saw enough to set off several red flags.

If you have a different reading of what the thesis is, could you tell us please?

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Also germane here: http://www.deepcapturethemovie.com/

Mitchell, I presume, is the reporter described in the "movie" [It's not a movie, but an audiographic presentation of 40 minutes of so] who refused to drop his investigation into the corruption in the financial press and the capturing of the regulatory process. Don't miss slide 52, for sure.

I haven't read any of Mitchell's chapters, so I can't speak for what's contained in them. Nothing about "furriners" in the presentation IIRC

[American Dream]

Searcher-

I'm not personally inclined to read this whole thing in-depth, as I saw enough to set off several red flags.

If you have a different reading of what the thesis is, could you tell us please?

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23370&hilit=Byrne

Also germane here: http://www.deepcapturethemovie.com/

Mitchell, I presume, is the reporter described in the "movie" [It's not a movie, but an audiographic presentation of 40 minutes of so] who refused to drop his investigation into the corruption in the financial press and the capturing of the regulatory process. Don't miss slide 52, for sure.

I haven't read any of Mitchell's chapters, so I can't speak for what's contained in them. Nothing about "furriners" in the presentation IIRC

Eurasian crime organizations and Salafi-type networks grossly profiteering through financial scams shouldn't be very surprising at all- whether they represent the crux of the financial crisis is another matter.

I just don't have the time and mental energy to give this text all the attention it deserves. However if it turns out that I was too harsh or sweeping in my criticism, then apologies will be in order.

That said, I did fell the need to say something, as it does appear that this man paints with very broad brushstrokes.

[American Dream]

,,,, Before I proceed, though, I want to stress that I do not consider people to be guilty by association. Indeed, one of Talat Othman’s closest friends was the guest of honor at my wedding. This Othman friend is a genuine patriot and man of great integrity. Othman has done business with plenty of others (including even President George Bush) who have nothing to do with this investigation. ...

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I find this quote extremely troubling, as is the relative absence of Americans involved with BCCI...