The 9/11 Anti - propaganda onslaught thread.

[Searcher08]

Bush reads "The Pet Goat" for 7 minutes after the planes hit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pet_Goat

And them Troofers think that means something!!

[jam.fuse]

From Der Spiegel – Ex-German Politician Andreas Von Bülow spreads the word in the Bundesrepublik Deutschland:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 73,00.html

Andreas von Bülow used to be a German cabinet minister and member of parliament for the Social Democrats. Now he is a best-selling author who writes books about 9/11 conspiracy theories. His former colleagues no longer want anything to do with him.

Andreas von Bülow says he's never feared for his life. This is despite the fact that he harbors suspicions that the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks were not the work of 19 "suicide Muslims," as he calls them, but rather an ingenious, cold-blooded operation in psychological warfare organized by the United States itself; and despite the fact that he has published this view in book form.

Bülow doesn't commit himself definitively to the position, but he feels fairly certain that either the Bush administration or other, far more powerful groups operating behind the scenes allowed more than 3,000 people to die in order to construct an unassailable argument supporting geopolitically desirable military operations such as those in Iraq and Afghanistan.

These are astonishing theories on the part of a former German government minister, one who spent 25 years representing the center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) in Germany's federal parliament, the Bundestag. He's not saying his theories necessarily represent what really happened, Bülow explains, he's simply posing questions. "This is just another way of thinking," he says. But, the former minister adds, it's a way of thinking that appears quite plausible to its creator.

Others find the theory plausible as well. According to its publisher, Bülow's book "Die CIA und der 11. September" ("The CIA and September 11") has sold 200,000 copies since it was first released in 2003. A new edition of the book, published in time for the 10-year anniversary of the attacks, includes an extensive afterword which casts doubt on the claim that Osama bin Laden was in fact shot in Pakistan by US Special Forces.

[IanEye]

Weird. I just went to http://new.reinvestigate911.org/ to check it out, from the post above, decided to share it on Facebook.

I tried signing on Facebook. No luck. Can't find the server! Is it down, or just me?

Finally I get rid of the https and try http instead.

And it sends me to this site:

http://www.fogcreek.com/fogbugz/

My brower says I'm at facebook.com, but I'm at fogbugz, some kind of sign-on page involving a license, can't sign on, that sort of thing. On edit: Here's what it says:

Install New Licenses

To use FogBugz you must install licenses. You will need the order ID and the email address which you used when you ordered FogBugz.

Email address:
Order ID:

If you don't have your order ID, visit us at Fog Creek Software and we'll look it up for you.

You can purchase additional licenses from the Fog Creek online store.

If this computer is not connected to the public Internet, click here.

WTF?

Did Facebook get hacked, or is the fact that I just went to reinvestigate911 make me get rerouted to fogbugz?

I don't know enough about computers to even be paranoid about this.

ON EDIT:

WOW. I can still access Facebook no problem from my blackberry's browser (I use BOLT). No problem at all.

Something tells me someone hijacked the cookies of reinvestigate 9/11 somehow (forgive my computer ignorance) so that you can't sign onto Facebook after accessing that site.

VERRRRY interesting!

Nordic,

the same thing happened to me when I posted this link on Facebook from nomo's "Understanding 9/11: A Television News Archive" thread:

http://www.archive.org/details/911

it didn't send me to that Fogbugz site (i can't remember where it sent me) but the thing you describe where the browser says you are on facebook but you are not did happen.

i have had similar things happen before. back in January whenever i tried to go to wikipedia it would send me to the CNN.com homepage even though the address bar said i was on wikipedia.

this happened in both FireFox (my main browser) and Safari.

a few days later it goes away. but it does make me paranoid.

oh, back to that archive.org / facebook thing.

i realized right after i posted that link that i couldn't log on back to facebook, so i emailed some friends and asked them if the link i had posted showed up in their facebook news feed at all.

NONE of them could see it. if they clicked directly on to my facebook page it was there but not in any newsfeeds. and they all said that other things i post, like youtube links to music videos always show up for them in their facebook newsfeeds.

[8bitagent]

Bush reads "The Pet Goat" for 7 minutes after the planes hit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pet_Goat

And them Troofers think that means something!!

I personally never did. I still maintain 9/11 was done in such a complex clever way that even a lot of the "bad guys in DC" we as parapolitickers think of as "linked to 9/11" may have genuinely be taken by surprise. Then again I firmly see al Qaeda and bin Laden as part of the same globalist beast that uses America as a tentacle.

[eyeno]

The owner of facebook just got back from the Bilderberg meeting. He was invited. Just sayin...

[Searcher08]

Yes, there is so much "it was all done by Dick Dasterdly Cheney" that the idea of an interlocking plan with multiple deep state actors who may have been unaware of the whole picture, is a cognitive brige too far...

[Nordic]

Weird. I just went to http://new.reinvestigate911.org/ to check it out, from the post above, decided to share it on Facebook.

I tried signing on Facebook. No luck. Can't find the server! Is it down, or just me?

Finally I get rid of the https and try http instead.

And it sends me to this site:

http://www.fogcreek.com/fogbugz/

My brower says I'm at facebook.com, but I'm at fogbugz, some kind of sign-on page involving a license, can't sign on, that sort of thing. On edit: Here's what it says:

Install New Licenses

To use FogBugz you must install licenses. You will need the order ID and the email address which you used when you ordered FogBugz.

Email address:
Order ID:

If you don't have your order ID, visit us at Fog Creek Software and we'll look it up for you.

You can purchase additional licenses from the Fog Creek online store.

If this computer is not connected to the public Internet, click here.

WTF?

Did Facebook get hacked, or is the fact that I just went to reinvestigate911 make me get rerouted to fogbugz?

I don't know enough about computers to even be paranoid about this.

ON EDIT:

WOW. I can still access Facebook no problem from my blackberry's browser (I use BOLT). No problem at all.

Something tells me someone hijacked the cookies of reinvestigate 9/11 somehow (forgive my computer ignorance) so that you can't sign onto Facebook after accessing that site.

VERRRRY interesting!

Nordic,

the same thing happened to me when I posted this link on Facebook from nomo's "Understanding 9/11: A Television News Archive" thread:

http://www.archive.org/details/911

it didn't send me to that Fogbugz site (i can't remember where it sent me) but the thing you describe where the browser says you are on facebook but you are not did happen.

i have had similar things happen before. back in January whenever i tried to go to wikipedia it would send me to the CNN.com homepage even though the address bar said i was on wikipedia.

this happened in both FireFox (my main browser) and Safari.

a few days later it goes away. but it does make me paranoid.

oh, back to that archive.org / facebook thing.

i realized right after i posted that link that i couldn't log on back to facebook, so i emailed some friends and asked them if the link i had posted showed up in their facebook news feed at all.

NONE of them could see it. if they clicked directly on to my facebook page it was there but not in any newsfeeds. and they all said that other things i post, like youtube links to music videos always show up for them in their facebook newsfeeds.

Yeah, it's definitely fishy. Someone here was kind enough to PM me and say it's probably a problem with my DNS servers. I'm gonna check that out when I get a chance.

I almost don't care if I can't ever go to Facebook again, at least on this particular computer in question. But the principle of it really pisses me the hell off.

[8bitagent]

Yes, there is so much "it was all done by Dick Dasterdly Cheney" that the idea of an interlocking plan with multiple deep state actors who may have been unaware of the whole picture, is a cognitive brige too far...

Well hey, get people to ask the wrong questions...

There's a lot of things about the truther narrative that I find as hard to swallow as the official narrative.

Me personally, I absolutely believe bin Laden was fully involved in 9/11. I believe that was his purpose, what he was groomed to do as Bush and Obama were groomed. Maybe it's an esoteric thought,
but I look at these people as actors.

Look at this at 2:10 mark for the next few minutes on



He was a young dedicated Saudi al Qaeda fighter with bin Laden all through 2001 including the time in Tora Bora when Delta and CIA were closing in on him. He still has the radio they used as a keepsake.
I have no reason to doubt him, that he was with bin Laden personally for this time.

But what he says is intriguing...as I've heard this a lot.

He says bin laden was VERY shocked the towers fell. Ive read that bin Laden was also shocked there was no air defenses. My ultimate theory is that a truly black group or presence worked through
the remnants of the Afghan mujahadeen(the Ramzi Yousef, KSM, bin Laden, etc), introducing and implanting ideas and such into their minds while 100% ensuring that no agency would stop them and in some cases knowingly/unknowingly grease the skids. In other words, bumpers on the bowling lanes for kid's day. Now some might say "wait, are you saying you believe in the Lihop theory?" To me its not Lihop if both al Qaeda and the Pentagon spookery are controlled at higher darker levels.

[DoYouEverWonder]

Sorry, dont know what to suggest about a Mac - but it seems odd - I have had issues when running out of hard drive space of with hard drive file corruption - is there a prog that can check your HD?

No, it's nothing like that. It's something that somebody is doing, whereby if you go to the reinvestigate911 site, you will NOT be able to take that same computer, get on Facebook, and share it.

It's very clear that's what it is.

If you try to use a different browser, the same thing will happen.

There is someone trying to make sure that that particular site is not shared on Facebook.

Which makes me just want to share it more.

ON EDIT:

Now my google is all fucked up, so I can't even do a search for some of the key phrases in the post above, that quotes JR's other post.

It goes straight to a "search blogs" results page, I cannot do a basic web search now with any of the phrases from that e-mail that JR posts.

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=e ... 72&bih=965

Nordic,

Your computer has a virus that grabs your browser and redirects it. It's a real pain to get rid of too. Try http://www.bleepingcomputer.com to find the latest fixes. There's a program called rkill that will stop the virus temporarily and there's another one called Combofix that will help clean it out. At least that's what worked a couple of months ago.

Good luck cleaning up your computer.

[Pierre d'Achoppement]

[Wombaticus Rex]

^Cool video, but it would be way stronger if they included footage of an apple, if you know what I mean.

What happens when a building collapses due to fire? What does that look like? How does that look different? Etc. Simple touch that would have made for a way stronger presentation.

[2012 Countdown]

I didn't know where to post this, and since your post had no replies, you're the lucky poster!

A Rough Guide to Trutherism
By Jeremy StahlPoliticsPosted Monday, September 5, 2011 9:55 PM

Over the past 10 years, the 9/11 conspiracy theory—the basic belief that the attacks were not orchestrated by al-Qaida but by, or at least with the permission of, the Bush administration—has spawned a whole slew of corollaries and subtheories. Here’s a guide to 10 of the more prevalent and bizarre of these theories, presented in rough order from provably false to irredeemably paranoid.

http://www.slate.com/slideshow/news-pol ... es#slide_1


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Really, this belongs in the PROPAGANDA thread.

Here's another by him posted just last night-

The Truther Timeline
A look at how 9/11 conspiracy theories have waxed and waned in the 10 years since 9/11.
By Jeremy Stahl
Posted Tuesday, Sept. 6, 2011, at 7:51 PM ET

How did we come up with this chart?
This graph uses both data and judgment to track the popularity of 9/11 conspiracy theories in the decade since 9/11. Where available, it uses relevant poll numbers about Americans' belief in such theories. It also notes events and statements that were important in the development of the theories or Americans' reception of them.

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http://www.slate.com/id/2303036/
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This guy has a new one today too! He must be in charge of 'rapid response' spin control...

The Theory vs. the Facts
9/11 conspiracy theorists responded to refutations by alleging more cover-ups.

By Jeremy Stahl
Updated Wednesday, Sept. 7, 2011, at 7:31 AM ET

It's difficult to pinpoint a precise moment when the popularity of the 9/11 conspiracy theory peaked, though it was probably sometime in 2006. In tracking its decline, however, three dates stand out: July 22, 2004, when the 9/11 Commission released its final report; Feb. 3, 2005, when Popular Mechanics published its 5,500-word article dismantling the movement's claims; and Aug. 21, 2008, when the National Institute of Standards and Technology issued the final portion of a $16 million study investigating the cause of the collapse of the Twin Towers and a third World Trade Center skyscraper that was not hit by a plane.

The bullshit continues here...
http://www.slate.com/id/2302851/

[norton ash]

Stahl's 'related articles' at Slate are just a long list of attacks on theories and investigations. He must have a really boring life as a 'journalist', but I imagine he's well-paid.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Stahl's 'related articles' at Slate are just a long list of attacks on theories and investigations. He must have a really boring life as a 'journalist', but I imagine he's well-paid.

He probably makes less than a secretary working in state govt with a union job. You'd be surprised how little some of these people get paid. We all find our niches and make a living as best we can. It's not like the assholes I work for pay any better than Democracy Now would.

[norton ash]

I dunno, I think certain bloggers/writers might get off-the-books perks and benefits for touting a sociopatholigarchy party line that goes above and beyond their pay, or maybe they're building up their 'consultant' portfolio.

Not that there haven't always been a bazillion writers who just choose to hoe the same row every damn day.