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Re: new twin tower theory

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:43 am

elfismiles wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:Thank you for that - great video!


Yer welcome ... just trying to ascertain what level of explosive reaction this guy's theory could accommodate.


Miles, have you seen this? Well worth watching, especially towards the end


This guys work is outstanding


I wondered if you had thermite inside the 5000 gallon water tank for the WTC sprinkler system? The Mythbusters guy talked about the possibility of thermite becoming aerosolised, which I had never heard before...

I wonder how much energy release would have happened from 5000 gallons of water meeting several tons of thermite?

Also there were some very very odd things related to the company doing the Sprinkler system - with people involved who sounded straight out of Peter Dale Scott's 'Meta' Group and there was a witness killed.





About Magic Heating and Plumbing and Real Estate Laundering

by DefendUSx March 15, 2009 08:59 Link between the Obamas and Magic Heating and Plumbing.

In September of 2006, Kelly J. McCrum sold 1525 S Sangamon St. Unit 707, Chicago IL to a person named Osama Barakat. Kelly J. McCrum is the wife of Craig M. Robinson. Craig Robinson is Michelle Obama's brother. The creditor to the purchaser of the Unit (Osama Barakat) was Berlew Plumbing and Heating (AKA Magic Heating and Plumbing).
Magic Plumbing and Heating who messed up the sprinkler systems in the WTC that failed on 9/11.

SEPTEMBER 5, 2001 : (WTC : HAMMAD DOES WORK ON WTC SPRINKLER SYSTEM --- See MAGIC PLUMBING & HEATING, 9/11 INVESTIGATION, TN LICENSE CASE -- BROOKLYN CELL) Sakher “Rocky” Hammad, who works for Magic Plumbing and Heating on 93rd Street in Brooklyn, is known to have done work on the sprinkler system in the World Trade Center, and when arrested he has a photo ID WTC visitor’s pass for this date. The identity of the tenant who hired him is not known. On 2/5/02, Hammad is one of five Arab men arrested in connection with the fiery murder of Tennessee drivers’ license examiner Katherine Smith several days earlier. Hammad also spent time in the Bay Ridge section of Brooklyn in 2000.
Here are some details surrounding Katherine Smith and Magic Employees:
Katherine Smith dies 10 Feb 2002, foul play pretty well obvious, a day before she was due to appear in court
She was a Tennessee DMV employee, state witness, who helped several 9/11 POI to obtain drivers' licenses
The car she had been driving, registered to Khaled Odtllah, who had been her 'partner in the scheme'
One of the licensees, a man who had shared an address with Odtllah: Sakher Hammad
Sakher Hammad employed 'Sergei Davidenko of Denko Mechanical Ltd' (a Canadian Co. happens to have same name)
Sakher Hammad arrested for questioning in Tenn. ID case on 5 Feb 2002; overstayed visa, 'nationality not given'
Showed them his trade business card, 'Magic Plumbing and Heating'
Also found on his person: 5-6 September 2001 Port Authority visitor's pass for WTC North Tower, basement B1-B6
Hammad told authorities he was "a plumber who worked on the center's sprinkler system."
* Alan Hicks, PA spokesman on 15 Feb 2002: "Which tenant hired Hammad to work on its sprinklers is lost."
But Hicks said the Port Authority, which owned the building, did its own sprinkler work, and that any other work involving sprinklers would have been arranged by an individual tenant. "We don't know (which one) because all our records were destroyed in the World Trade Center, as were some of the people who know that," Hicks said.
On the morning of Feb. 5, authorities say, a gray Dodge Durango and a white Toyota Avalon arrived in Memphis from New York and parked outside the motor vehicles office. Inside the cars sat six Middle Eastern men.

Tennessee is one of four states not requiring a Social Security number to get a license, and many people carry utility bills as proof of residence.
On the morning of Feb. 5, authorities say, a gray Dodge Durango and a white Toyota Avalon arrived in Memphis from New York and parked outside the motor vehicles office. Inside the cars sat six Middle Eastern men.

Tennessee is one of four states not requiring a Social Security number to get a license, and many people carry utility bills as proof of residence.

Shortly after Smith showed up for work, a man from the Toyota, Khaled Odtllah, a native of Jerusalem, joined the morning rush into the building. According to an FBI affidavit, he was clutching four signed driver's license applications.
According to records, Odtllah's last address was the Grove, a gated community in the Memphis suburb of Cordova, with swimming pools, tennis courts and spas.

Police say Odtllah came to the United States about 13 years ago from Jerusalem and had been in Tennessee for about 2 1/2 years.

Smith later told officials she met Odtllah at his gas station. He sold her the Acura, which was still in Odtllah's name when Smith died. Somewhere along the line, police say, Smith and Odtllah became business partners.
As an examiner in an office processing 300 to 400 driver's license applicants each day, Smith screened applicants at a front counter and gave written and road tests.

On the applications Odtllah was carrying on Feb. 5, each man listed as his address 2840 Morning Lake Drive, in another gated community just outside Memphis.

At motor vehicles, the applications were approved and entered into the computer system. When Odtllah walked outside, the FBI was waiting for him.
Agents in New York had received a tip that the men would be traveling to Memphis that day, and the bureau's agents in Tennessee had staked out Smith's home and the motor vehicle office. When Odtllah and the others pulled out of the parking lot, agents flashed blue lights and pulled them over.

With Odtllah, police found Mostafa Said Abou-Shahin, Mohammed Fares and Sakher Hammad and his cousin Abdelmuhsen Mahmid Hammad. An unnamed juvenile also was arrested.
A few months ago, the contents of Sakher Hammad's wallet would have seemed innocuous: two video rental cards; two major credit cards; a card designating him a "charter member" of Team Ford Racing; a New York plumber's business card.

And a pass, dated 09/05/01 that gave him access to the lower basement of One World Trade Center.
Authorities say Sakher Hammad told them that he is plumber and that he and his cousin were in the tower to work on the sprinkler system. New York authorities have no record of a plumber's license for either cousin.

A business card in Sakher Hammad's wallet was for a Magic Plumbing & Heating in Brooklyn. It advertises "custom kitchens, bathrooms, water heaters, boilers, repiping" -- generally residential in nature.
A call to the business produced only a full voice-mailbox for someone named "Rocky." Using a reverse telephone directory, the AP found a list of phone numbers at the company's street address, all of them for individuals, among them Sakher Hammad.
When Smith was arrested, authorities say she admitted helping Odtllah obtain licenses for "cousins" on a half-dozen occasions in the past year. An FBI agent later testified that Odtllah was charging up to $1,200 each to help people get their new identities.
The day Smith was to appear in court, her car sat in an FBI garage in Memphis, the champagne finish bubbled and streaked with trails of melted rubber window stripping. The upholstery was burned away. Police couldn't even tell if Smith had been wearing a seat belt.

However, they had found a residue of gasoline on her body. The fire, the FBI determined, was intentionally set.
Sakher Hammad "has no ties whatsoever to this community," a magistrate noted. "He has substantial ties to Jordan or Gaza, where his mother lives. He has had less than stable employment . . . and a cooperating witness has disappeared under suspicious circumstances."


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Re: new twin tower theory

Postby elfismiles » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:36 pm

Thanks Searcher. I think I've seen at least part or all of both those but maybe not recently. Will look that and the article over.

This is getting some attention:

Were Twin Towers felled by chemical blasts?
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-09-the ... owers.html


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elfismiles wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:Thank you for that - great video!


Yer welcome ... just trying to ascertain what level of explosive reaction this guy's theory could accommodate.


Miles, have you seen this? Well worth watching, especially towards the end


This guys work is outstanding


I wondered if you had thermite inside the 5000 gallon water tank for the WTC sprinkler system? The Mythbusters guy talked about the possibility of thermite becoming aerosolised, which I had never heard before...

I wonder how much energy release would have happened from 5000 gallons of water meeting several tons of thermite?

Also there were some very very odd things related to the company doing the Sprinkler system - with people involved who sounded straight out of Peter Dale Scott's 'Meta' Group and there was a witness killed.

About Magic Heating and Plumbing and Real Estate Laundering

by DefendUSx March 15, 2009 08:59 Link between the Obamas and Magic Heating and Plumbing.
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http://911review.org/Sept11Wiki/DenkoMechanical.shtml
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Re: new twin tower theory

Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:05 pm

DrEvil wrote:http://www.sintef.no/home/Materials-and-Chemistry/Metallurgy/Casting-and-Forming/Employees-Casting-and-Forming/?EmpId=1082

enjoy :yay


Thank you very much Dr. Evil - just sent. I do not anticipate a response, regardless of the innocently inquisitive tone of my email. If he does, I'll be sure to post it.
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Re: new twin tower theory

Postby Mars » Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:31 pm

Thanks everyone, interesting videos. I haven't looked into anything 911 related recently but I see there plenty around here so that might change. I liked the video with the thermite bolts and I would have been a bit disappointed if it wouldn't have worked.
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Re: new twin tower theory

Postby Stephen Morgan » Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:34 am

Here's one for you, which some of you may remember, but which hasn't gotten much play:

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2 ... chive.html

But perhaps it was possible charges were set in other than the conventional fashion, though they would still need a lead time that preceded the crashing of airliners. For what it's worth, there's this new curio to add to the mix:

...the Chinese Companies in WTC tower that specialized in "Spray o­n Demolition Explosives" --called "Slurry Explosives" ..a company that also specialized in high rise demolition ...and it's connection with the company o­n the same floor that specialized in "high rise" fire extinguishing products which happens to have a secret formula that is highly effective to put out Jet Fuel o­n contact.

How fascinating that would be...the "airplanes hit"...the "sprinkle heads start to sprinkler a very foul smelling liquid.." according to some survivors? The jet fuel NEVER caught hold. The fire was from another source. Other explosions were detonated. Then the "slurry" explosives that were used to cover the interior girders of the building instead of the "spray o­n fire-proofing" that was contracted for by the Port Authority. Otherwise, what a silly coincidence for a "Chinese" company that just happens to install both "anti-jet fuel" spray o­n fireproofing and "spray o­n explosives for high rise demolition."

The company was working on the developement of remote control aircraft and on Sept 6th I recieved word that some of my people may have been released from China to work on a change over of ATC Radar. I was told they had been contacted to be in a work detail in the WTC which was being renovated.


Whatever the truth, it may be worth noting that the WTC elevator system was undergoing renovation in early September 2001, which would have provided access to the core columns.
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Re: new twin tower theory

Postby elfismiles » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:28 am

Thanks SM.

This has reminded me of these early post-911 gems:


China's Military Planners Took Credit for 9/11
Sep 25, 2002 – Soon after the horrific attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, two high- ranking Chinese military planners took credit for the 9/11 ...
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/art ... 3618.shtml


China's chance: How 9/11 played into Beijing's plans in Asia
Sep 8, 2011 – Preoccupied with wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the United States has stepped back from its traditional role as policeman of the Asia-Pacific.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... le2159009/



Stephen Morgan wrote:Here's one for you, which some of you may remember, but which hasn't gotten much play:

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2 ... chive.html

But perhaps it was possible charges were set in other than the conventional fashion, though they would still need a lead time that preceded the crashing of airliners. For what it's worth, there's this new curio to add to the mix:

...the Chinese Companies in WTC tower that specialized in "Spray o­n Demolition Explosives" --called "Slurry Explosives" ..a company that also specialized in high rise demolition ...and it's connection with the company o­n the same floor that specialized in "high rise" fire extinguishing products which happens to have a secret formula that is highly effective to put out Jet Fuel o­n contact.

How fascinating that would be...the "airplanes hit"...the "sprinkle heads start to sprinkler a very foul smelling liquid.." according to some survivors? The jet fuel NEVER caught hold. The fire was from another source. Other explosions were detonated. Then the "slurry" explosives that were used to cover the interior girders of the building instead of the "spray o­n fire-proofing" that was contracted for by the Port Authority. Otherwise, what a silly coincidence for a "Chinese" company that just happens to install both "anti-jet fuel" spray o­n fireproofing and "spray o­n explosives for high rise demolition."

The company was working on the developement of remote control aircraft and on Sept 6th I recieved word that some of my people may have been released from China to work on a change over of ATC Radar. I was told they had been contacted to be in a work detail in the WTC which was being renovated.


Whatever the truth, it may be worth noting that the WTC elevator system was undergoing renovation in early September 2001, which would have provided access to the core columns.
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Re: new twin tower theory

Postby Stephen Morgan » Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:12 pm

Anyone know of any links between China and the hijackers?
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Re: new twin tower theory

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:45 pm

Stephen Morgan wrote:Anyone know of any links between China and the hijackers?


The only Chinese link to 9/11 and one that always struck me as very odd - was the done deal for shipping the WTC steel to under high security to Chinese steel works. There was also a story that Michael Riconosciuto put out that the Chinese had supplied SAM missiles to some arms dealer in Canada. It sounded similar to Delmart Vreeland (remember him?) in tone...

It struck me that it would be very easy for the Chinese to save some of that steel and that could be very err embarrassing later if there was a proper investigation.

Sibel Edmonds pointed indirectly to CIA involvement in Islamist proxies in Xinjiang as part of an ongoing Great Game, still in full swing.
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Re: new twin tower theory

Postby eyeno » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:00 pm

Yes, yes..and this...half of the world, or more, is owned by the same bank. So this is not a damn mystery, the Chinese thing...Now that we have had the "arab spring" more than 1/2 is owned by the same bank. No mystery here.

As they say...

"nothing to see here, move along"...
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Re: new twin tower theory

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:05 pm

I thought that I had read that some of the hijacker's jaunts had taken them to China. I could be mistaken about that.

Still no word from the Mr. Simensen.
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Re: new twin tower theory

Postby Nordic » Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:58 pm

Good lord, this moronic story has made it to yahoo news. It's on the front page under "most read" (or something like that). What's so stupid and transparent is that all the "theories" it supposedly debunks have never EVER had their own actual news story, and certainly never one on the front page of yahoo/AP news.

I think they're worried. The "the Saudis did it" limited hangout is really getting some traction in the mainstream, and these things are never accidental.

They seem willing to jettison the official story to blame it on "rogue" Saudis hoping that will contain the damage.

Even insofar as this angle might be true, it's only a small part of the story since the "hijackers" were only patsies. So the Saudis apparently supplied patsies, some money, and some logistical support. For an op that went way beyond just them.
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Re: new twin tower theory

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:26 am

Nordic wrote:So the Saudis apparently supplied patsies, some money, and some logistical support. For an op that went way beyond just them.


For the record, I still strongly believe the Saudis had no idea what they were being set up for, by their "friends".
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Re: new twin tower theory

Postby Searcher08 » Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:24 am

AlicetheKurious wrote:
Nordic wrote:So the Saudis apparently supplied patsies, some money, and some logistical support. For an op that went way beyond just them.




For the record, I still strongly believe the Saudis had no idea what they were being set up for, by their "friends".


Hi Alice! :angelwings:

The evidence points to heavy Saudi involvement with episodes like the US Embassy Visa scandal, ptech (yes, I know there was also Mossad in involvement in that company) , the whole San Diego connection and the only planes flying being 'Bin Laden Air'. Obviously by 'Saudi involvement I mean the top echelons of House of Saud and sections of their Intel service.
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Re: new twin tower theory

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:14 pm

Searcher08 wrote:The evidence points to heavy Saudi involvement.... Obviously by 'Saudi involvement I mean the top echelons of House of Saud and sections of their Intel service.


Of course it does. The Saudis were up to their necks in the joint US-Saudi military-intelligence operation code-named "Al Qaeda", which, being very murky, lent itself nicely to being framed for September 11 by the real perps, double-dealing high-level insiders on the US side.

I first became suspicious when I saw how shaken and off-guard the Saudi rulers were in the immediate aftermath of September 11th. In stark contrast to the US and Israel, it was clear that initially there was no script. At first, the Arab media was filled with pilots and engineers and military experts explaining how the Americans' story made no sense. Evidence emerged from all kinds of sources, proving that it couldn't have happened the way we were told it did -- if you recall, the list of "19 hijackers" initially underwent a number of changes as "hijackers" showed up alive and well, or dead long before September 11. Then, the list stopped changing, even though conflicting evidence continued to emerge. Then, the media closed ranks -- those who had been debunking the official story were yanked off the air, and suddenly the US' official story became the only one allowed.

The Saudi regime, like other dictatorships artificially propped up by the US, is incredibly vulnerable to blackmail. They were told to STFU, or else. Just like the Mubarak regime was told to STFU about Flight 990, and so many other things, and did.

That's my own conclusion, and although I've been willing to debate the issue rather exhaustively and in minute detail in previous threads, it wasn't a waste of time then, because I wasn't 100% convinced and was interested to see if there was persuasive evidence to the contrary. There wasn't, in my opinion.

In any case, there's been a lot of water under the bridge since then and though I am personally satisfied that I understand how it happened, the Saudi involvement in 9/11 has become so widely believed that it might as well be true.
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Re: new twin tower theory

Postby Searcher08 » Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:12 pm

I would be interested in your take on ptech, there seems to be very good evidence from from Indira Singh of Saudi Islamist involvement AND strong research from Chris Bolleyn that points to Mossad involvement in the same company. I have always felt that there are some strange weird connections between the American zionist/Israeli Right and the House of Saud - like that of the alleged successor of the Meyer Lansky crime family, the uber wealthy Malnik family in Florida.
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