Monster jump in greenhouse gases exceeds worst-case scenario

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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:23 pm

The military social controllers are the primary enemy. Yes, even before the wounded planet of disturbed life support systems.

So we better learn who our oppressors are and how they accomplish social control. Might be....with media and covert paramilitary coordinated.
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:29 pm

Uh, I don't think anyone here...or anywhere else, really...is claiming Earth is the "primary enemy."
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Re: Monster jump in greenhouse gases exceeds worst-case scen

Postby jingofever » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:35 pm

Nordic wrote:we need to not only radically cut emissions but plant a lot of trees. and shrubs. and anything else that photosynthesizes.

and quit cutting down rainforests completely.

There will be a feedback loop when people are cutting down trees to build more coffins.
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Re: Monster jump in greenhouse gases exceeds worst-case scen

Postby Skunkboy » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:18 am

A small ray of hope, for the small number of people who survive... nuclear winter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter
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Re: Monster jump in greenhouse gases exceeds worst-case scen

Postby smiths » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:05 am

i got an ad for the new range rover vogue when i watched that video anout 6 degree temp rises

those fuckers would sell tickets to their own lynchings if they had the chance to organise it
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Postby Stephen Morgan » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:11 am

Simulist wrote:
Boden said the latest figures put global emissions higher than the worst case projections from the climate panel. Those forecast global temperatures rising between 4 and 11 degrees Fahrenheit by the end of the century with the best estimate at 7.5 degrees.

A global temperature rise between 4 and 11 degrees Fahrenheit by the end of the century, with the best estimate at a 7.5 degree rise, sounds unsurvivable for our species.

Does anyone have any concrete information on that?

(Because I'd really, really like to be wrong.)


Well, a thousand years ago the world was over a degree centigrade warmer than it is now with no obvious differences.
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Postby smiths » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:46 am

honestly stephen, who really knows or gives a fuck about 1000 years ago

the planet is warming now, it will be catastrophic, we are causing it
and even if it wasnt warming, the poisoning, deforestation, species loss and insanity of our enlightenment world would already be a catastrophic problem

so lets stop talking about a millenium ago and start fundametally changing the way we live
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Postby Hammer of Los » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:45 am

I'm staying out the are we doomed or aren't we debate.

But I'm sure we are not doomed.

I am sure we can all save ourselves and have a bright future.

We are smart enough to do that, you know.

Don't take it out on Stephen. He is innocent of these crimes against nature.
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Postby wintler2 » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:46 am

GHG blowout - nobody is really surprised are they?
But nobody give me any 'too late' horseshit - too late for skiing, or homo sapiens, or all vertebrates, or all complex life?


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Occupying actual extractive or productive capital is an excellent progression from occupying CBD's, and likely to be more effective in concrete change too. CBD actions are ideal for conciousness raising and symbolic actions, both essential but not enough. The 1% can subvert that with ease, see 1965-75.

Imagine the mob occupying the nearest 'working' / actively logged old growth forest (could they sell the emissions savings?) Or a succession of 'bankrupt' businesses and turning them over to symbiotic worker cooperatives. Then hold a combined teach- & park-in to block trade at competing big box retail centres. In my region Kraft has closed & is dismantling a tomato canning plant to ship to New Zealand to can cheaper chinese tomato's. Hmmm..
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Postby justdrew » Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:59 pm

I believe it's not too late...

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Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:45 pm

I long ago here wrote we need not merely minimize emissions, but to eliminate all sources, and that still would not be enough, as we must before 2020 create a condition of negative emissions, ie carbon sinks, if there is any hope at all for avoiding a disastrous beyond fiction future.

Planting trees, while always a good idea, will not do the job; they take too long to grow to maturity when they become most effective as carbon sinks. We just don't have that long to effect the change necessary.

Just like an oven, simply stopping all emissions will not immediately cool the earth. This would take very many years. The Earth will continue to warm for years after all sources of emissions have ended.

We must prevent any new biomass energy plants, which will strip forests of their nutrient replenishing wind-fallen and dead, as well as their living, breathing trees. We must prevent waste incineration in all its modern disguises ~ Pyrolysis, Plasma Arc, Gasification, Fischer-Tropsch, some of which are being called staged incineration.

We need to stop using chemicals with many thousands of times the warming potential of Carbon Dioxide.

And we must eliminate, er, excuse me, remove from power all officials calling for less industrial regulation.

There is always hope, but it's hard to drink, eat or warm yourselves with, though it does warm the spirit.
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Re: Monster jump in greenhouse gases exceeds worst-case scen

Postby Laodicean » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:49 pm

Iamwhomiam wrote:I long ago here wrote we need not merely minimize emissions, but to eliminate all sources, and that still would not be enough, as we must before 2020 create a condition of negative emissions, ie carbon sinks, if there is any hope at all for avoiding a disastrous beyond fiction future.

Planting trees, while always a good idea, will not do the job; they take too long to grow to maturity when they become most effective as carbon sinks. We just don't have that long to effect the change necessary.

Just like an oven, simply stopping all emissions will not immediately cool the earth. This would take very many years. The Earth will continue to warm for years after all sources of emissions have ended.

We must prevent any new biomass energy plants, which will strip forests of their nutrient replenishing wind-fallen and dead, as well as their living, breathing trees. We must prevent waste incineration in all its modern disguises ~ Pyrolysis, Plasma Arc, Gasification, Fischer-Tropsch, some of which are being called staged incineration.

We need to stop using chemicals with many thousands of times the warming potential of Carbon Dioxide.

And we must eliminate, er, excuse me, remove from power all officials calling for less industrial regulation.

There is always hope, but it's hard to drink, eat or warm yourselves with, though it does warm the spirit.


Hemp is a food and an excellent carbon sink. A Perfect rotational crop. Replenishes the soil. Can make everything timber and petroleum products can make, and more. Can be grown virtually everywhere on earth.

Hemp for Victory.

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The Continent of Africa would be an excellent place to start planting the seed.
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Re: Monster jump in greenhouse gases exceeds worst-case scen

Postby Nordic » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:10 am

Right, let's not plant trees. What a terrible idea.

We're doomed after all and the only things that can save us are things that don't exist or that are impossible.

So unless it's the One Great Savior, don't bother.
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