Higgs Boson Announcement at CERN

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Postby Simulist » Sun Dec 25, 2011 2:58 am

Large Hadron Collider team finds new type of boson

Large Hadron Collider team has found new type of boson. Scientists monitoring the ATLAS experiment at the Large Hadron Collider claim that they have clear evidence of one new particle, though it might not yet be the elusive Higgs boson.

The newly-discovered chi b(3P) boson is a heavier variant of a previously-known particle. It represents a new way of bringing together a beauty quark and its antiquark so that they bind together. Despite being predicted by many theories before, the particle was seen by the scientists for the first time.

Professor Roger Jones, head of the Lancaster ATLAS group, said, “While people are rightly interested in the Higgs boson, which we believe gives particles their mass and may have started to reveal itself, a lot of the mass of everyday objects comes from the strong interaction we are investigating using the chi b.”

Unlike the Higgs, the chi b(3P) isn’t made up of smaller particles. chi b(3P) is a combination of two very heavy objects which are held together by the same strong nuclear force which holds the atomic nucleus together.

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Re: Higgs Boson Announcement at CERN

Postby jingofever » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:28 am

On July 4th there will be an announcement and the rumors are that it is a 'discovery'.
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Re: Higgs Boson Announcement at CERN

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:35 am

jingofever wrote:On July 4th there will be an announcement and the rumors are that it is a 'discovery'.


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Re: Higgs Boson Announcement at CERN

Postby jingofever » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:03 pm

JackRiddler wrote:The Goddamn American Particle, Goddamnit.

I think the Europeans are actually trying to upstage America's birthday.
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Re: Higgs Boson Announcement at CERN

Postby DrEvil » Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:56 pm

If it's the American Particle, it will have one heck of a spin-value :bigsmile
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Re: Higgs Boson Announcement at CERN

Postby jfshade » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:12 pm

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Re: Higgs Boson Announcement at CERN

Postby Simulist » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:50 pm

DrEvil wrote:If it's the American Particle, it will have one heck of a spin-value :bigsmile

Yes, it will. The particle that keeps reminding all the other particles, "I'm number one!"

(Now where did I put my particle smasher...)
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Re: Higgs Boson Announcement at CERN

Postby beeline » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:41 pm

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Proof of 'God particle' found

JOHN HEILPRIN and SETH BORENSTEIN

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GENEVA - Scientists working at the world's biggest atom smasher plan to announce Wednesday that they have gathered enough evidence to show that the long-sought "God particle" answering fundamental questions about the universe almost certainly does exist.

But after decades of work and billions of dollars spent, researchers at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, aren't quite ready to say they've "discovered" the particle.

Instead, experts familiar with the research at CERN's vast complex on the Swiss-French border say that the massive data they have obtained will essentially show the footprint of the key particle known as the Higgs boson , all but proving it exists , but doesn't allow them to say it has actually been glimpsed.

It appears to be a fine distinction.

Senior CERN scientists say that the two independent teams of physicists who plan to present their work at CERN's vast complex on the Swiss-French border on July 4 are about as close as you can get to a discovery without actually calling it one.

"I agree that any reasonable outside observer would say, `It looks like a discovery,'" British theoretical physicist John Ellis, a professor at King's College London who has worked at CERN since the 1970s, told The Associated Press. "We've discovered something which is consistent with being a Higgs."

CERN's atom smasher, the $10 billion Large Hadron Collider, has been creating high-energy collisions of protons to help them understand suspected phenomena such as dark matter, antimatter and ultimately the creation of the universe billions of years ago, which many theorize occurred as a massive explosion known as the Big Bang.

For particle physicists, finding the Higgs boson is a key to confirming the standard model of physics that explains what gives mass to matter and, by extension, how the universe was formed. Each of the two teams known as ATLAS and CMS involve thousands of people working independently from one another, to ensure accuracy.

Rob Roser, who leads the search for the Higgs boson at the Fermilab in Chicago, said: "Particle physicists have a very high standard for what it takes to be a discovery," and he thinks it is a hair's breadth away.

Rosen compared the results that scientists are preparing to announce Wednesday to finding the fossilized imprint of a dinosaur: "You see the footprints and the shadow of the object, but you don't actually see it."

Though an impenetrable concept to many, the Higgs boson has until now been just that , a concept intended to explain a riddle: How were the subatomic particles, such as electrons, protons and neutrons, themselves formed? What gives them their mass?

The answer came in a theory first proposed by physicist Peter Higgs and others in the 1960s. It envisioned an energy field where particles interact with a key particle, the Higgs boson.

The idea is that other particles attract Higgs bosons and the more they attract, the bigger their mass will be. Some liken the effect to a ubiquitous Higgs snowfield that affects other particles traveling through it depending on whether they are wearing, metaphorically speaking, skis, snowshoes or just shoes.

Officially, CERN is presenting its evidence at a physics conference in Australia this week, but plans to accompany the announcement with meetings in Geneva. The two teams, ATLAS and CMS, then plan to publicly unveil more data on the Higgs boson at physics meetings in October and December.

Scientists with access to the new CERN data say it shows with a high degree of certainty that the Higgs boson may already have been glimpsed, and that by unofficially combining the separate results from ATLAS and CMS it can be argued that a discovery is near at hand. Ellis says at least one physicist-blogger has done just that in a credible way.

CERN spokesman James Gillies said Monday, however, that he would be "very cautious" about unofficial combinations of ATLAS and CMS data. "Combining the data from two experiments is a complex task, which is why it takes time, and why no combination will be presented on Wednesday," he told AP.

But if the calculations are indeed correct, said John Guinon, a longtime physics professor at the University of California at Davis and author of the book "The Higgs Hunter's Guide," then it is fair to say that "in some sense we have reached the mountaintop."

Sean M. Carroll, a California Institute of Technology physicist flying to Geneva for the July 4th announcement, said that if both ATLAS and CMS have independently reached these high thresholds on the Higgs boson, then "only the most curmudgeonly will not believe that they have found it."
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Re: Higgs Boson Announcement at CERN

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:49 pm

beeline wrote:But after decades of work and billions of dollars spent, researchers at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, aren't quite ready to say they've "discovered" the particle.


But they're ready to let the media run with it as they put in for the next round of funding.
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Re: Higgs Boson Announcement at CERN

Postby Nordic » Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:51 pm

JackRiddler wrote:
beeline wrote:But after decades of work and billions of dollars spent, researchers at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, aren't quite ready to say they've "discovered" the particle.


But they're ready to let the media run with it as they put in for the next round of funding.



Funding? For what? If they've found the "God Particle", they're done!
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Re: Higgs Boson Announcement at CERN

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:29 pm

They've invited enough big names, including Higgs himself, to Switzerland for the event that they've got my attention.
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Re: Higgs Boson Announcement at CERN

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Re: Higgs Boson Announcement at CERN

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:57 am

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Ha! good one. striking down with vengeance on the rhetorically iniquitous.

this is too.



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Re: Higgs Boson Announcement at CERN

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Re: Higgs Boson Announcement at CERN

Postby Allegro » Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:09 am

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Higgs! | Bad Astronomy
— July 4th, 2012 3:10 AM

    Scientists using the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva have announced the discovery of a new subatomic particle to very high confidence that is consistent with what we expect the Higgs particle to look like.

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    This plot shows the discovery as seen in one of the LHC detectors. Hang tight, and I’ll explain it!

    OK, the quick version. The Higgs particle is extremely important, because the Standard Model of particle physics – the basic idea of how all particles behave – predicts it exists and is what (indirectly) gives many other particles mass. In other words, the reason electrons, protons, and neutrons have mass is because of this Higgs beastie. Last year, the Guardian put up a nice article explaining this. A more technical discussion is on Discover Magazine’s Cosmic Variance blog from 2007. Sean Carroll has been live-blogging the announcement, and has lots of good info as well.

    This particle is very hard to detect, because it doesn’t live long. Once it forms it decays in a burst of energy and other particles (think of them as shrapnel) extremely rapidly. The only way to make them is to smash other particles together at incredibly high energies, and look at the resulting collisions. If the Higgs exists, then it will decay and give off a characteristic bit of energy. The problem is, lots of things give off that much energy, so you have to see the Higgs signal on top of all that noise.

    So, you have to collide particles over and over again, countless times, to build up that tiny signal from the Higgs decay. The more you do it, the bigger the signal gets, and the more confident you can be that the detection is real. I described all this in detail last December, when preliminary results from LHC were announced. I strongly urge you to read that first!

    Back now? Good. So last year, an excess signal was seen at an energy around 125 GeV – that’s a unit of energy physicists use, and it also indicates the mass of the particle decaying. Because energy and mass are interchangeable at some level, detecting the energy emitted when a particle decays tells you its mass.

    A proton has a mass of about 1 GeV, so this excess found is about 125 times that much. Last year’s results were tantalizing, but the strength of the signal only led to a confidence level of about 90% that it was real. Nice, but not enough to claim a discovery.

    Today that all changed. Two different detectors at the LHC both independently found a strong signal between 125 and 126 GeV at about the 5 sigma level – that means they can claim a 99.9999% confidence this signal is real! This means they found a previously undiscovered particle which, as it happens, is within the range of mass the Standard Model predicts for the Higgs particle! That’s what that plot above shows: a bump in the energies detected, and it’s seen so strongly that it can be called a discovery.

    That’s huge.

    Now technically, that’s all the physicists can say: the particle is definitely there. But is it the Higgs? Well, to be fair, they can’t actually say that. But if it walks like a Higgs, looks like a Higgs, and quacks like a Higgs… yeah.

    So there you have it. A new fundamental particle has been found, and if it’s the Higgs – which it really really really looks like it is – is the first step to our truly understanding such basic concepts as mass and gravity in the Universe. It’s technical, and it’s complicated, and it’s the result of a vast amount of time, money, and effort by thousands upon thousands of people… but it’s real.

    And it’s only the first step. There’s much work to be done. But oh, what a step. The Universe has once again done something wonderful — let us peek behind the curtain and get a glimpse of its inner workings.

    Never forget this either: we humans did this. The discovery of this new particle, and the vast potential it has, was all because we’re curious. This huge machine, the LHC, was built solely because we wanted to find things out, and some people had the vision to fund it and build it. When we wish to explore, when we wish to see what’s over the next hill, wonders unfold before us.

    All we have to do is want it enough.

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