American Dream wrote:Searcher08 wrote:American Dream wrote:Certainly no argument from me that government entrapment exists and does matter, but surely we can all agree that there are a lot of hateful, violent, racist people organized under the banner of various Far Right causes?
I'm sure no one here would argue with that, the question is perhaps over how much is 'a lot'.
I'm pointing to the difficulties in quantifying how much of it is free of COINTELPRO.There is also the relevance filter, which is if one is perhaps working in that field, you may have assign a different degree of importance to it than someone who doesn't.
In the UK at least though, the Far Right is weaker than it has been for a long time. The BNP seems a busted flush at the moment.
The situation with infiltration is probably very similar to the US. If you are a woman organising a Knit For Peace circle, you will probably get an undercover MI5 agent who wants to get in your knickers.
My biggest concern with the Far Right is not their military strength relative to the Evil Empire, nor that they have the credibility and numbers to seize power through electoral means, but rather that they have specifically targeted the conspiracy community for recruitment efforts, as we know Stormfront has done against Rigorous Intuition.
Given the current extent of COINTELPRO-type operations, this all would suggest that to some degree the powers-that-be are profiling the psychologically vulnerable to serve as cannon fodder in the "War on Terror" and/or to serve as their proxies in attacking shared enemies.
This very much matters to readers of R.I., as I think we should assume that we and our friends are likely targets for this sorts of recruitment, which would start with legitimate grievances and some "true facts" as it leads us down a dangerous and destructive path.
I didn't know that people from St3rmfr3nt had tried that here and would be interested in finding out more about that (I have not been on RI since the beginning and missed at the DreamsEnd stuff) - I knew there were racists trolls who were unmasked years ago by Jeff and c2w IIRC
I was interested in your idea about the PTB doing psychological profiling.
I think it is being done too, but my take is that the 'conspiracyphile community' are a pretty small percentage group. I think the two biggest sources for that will be social media like Facebook and online dating sites like OKCupid.
Its also a very interesting thought about Far Right people who are vulnerable being targeted - I noticed that in lots of interviews that the BBC did with the English Defense League, FWIW it seemed that (outside of course of the brainless thugs who were there for a good punch-up) - that the average EDL member was in a state of intense genuine bodily fear - these were very stressed out frightened people.