List of 75 Right-Wing Terror Plots

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Re: List of 75 Right-Wing Terror Plots

Postby Searcher08 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:32 pm

American Dream wrote:
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American Dream wrote:Certainly no argument from me that government entrapment exists and does matter, but surely we can all agree that there are a lot of hateful, violent, racist people organized under the banner of various Far Right causes?



I'm sure no one here would argue with that, the question is perhaps over how much is 'a lot'.
I'm pointing to the difficulties in quantifying how much of it is free of COINTELPRO.There is also the relevance filter, which is if one is perhaps working in that field, you may have assign a different degree of importance to it than someone who doesn't.

In the UK at least though, the Far Right is weaker than it has been for a long time. The BNP seems a busted flush at the moment.

The situation with infiltration is probably very similar to the US. If you are a woman organising a Knit For Peace circle, you will probably get an undercover MI5 agent who wants to get in your knickers.


My biggest concern with the Far Right is not their military strength relative to the Evil Empire, nor that they have the credibility and numbers to seize power through electoral means, but rather that they have specifically targeted the conspiracy community for recruitment efforts, as we know Stormfront has done against Rigorous Intuition.

Given the current extent of COINTELPRO-type operations, this all would suggest that to some degree the powers-that-be are profiling the psychologically vulnerable to serve as cannon fodder in the "War on Terror" and/or to serve as their proxies in attacking shared enemies.

This very much matters to readers of R.I., as I think we should assume that we and our friends are likely targets for this sorts of recruitment, which would start with legitimate grievances and some "true facts" as it leads us down a dangerous and destructive path.


I didn't know that people from St3rmfr3nt had tried that here and would be interested in finding out more about that (I have not been on RI since the beginning and missed at the DreamsEnd stuff) - I knew there were racists trolls who were unmasked years ago by Jeff and c2w IIRC

I was interested in your idea about the PTB doing psychological profiling.
I think it is being done too, but my take is that the 'conspiracyphile community' are a pretty small percentage group. I think the two biggest sources for that will be social media like Facebook and online dating sites like OKCupid.

Its also a very interesting thought about Far Right people who are vulnerable being targeted - I noticed that in lots of interviews that the BBC did with the English Defense League, FWIW it seemed that (outside of course of the brainless thugs who were there for a good punch-up) - that the average EDL member was in a state of intense genuine bodily fear - these were very stressed out frightened people.
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Re: List of 75 Right-Wing Terror Plots

Postby American Dream » Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:53 pm

Searcher08 wrote:
American Dream wrote:
Searcher08 wrote:
American Dream wrote:Certainly no argument from me that government entrapment exists and does matter, but surely we can all agree that there are a lot of hateful, violent, racist people organized under the banner of various Far Right causes?



I'm sure no one here would argue with that, the question is perhaps over how much is 'a lot'.
I'm pointing to the difficulties in quantifying how much of it is free of COINTELPRO.There is also the relevance filter, which is if one is perhaps working in that field, you may have assign a different degree of importance to it than someone who doesn't.

In the UK at least though, the Far Right is weaker than it has been for a long time. The BNP seems a busted flush at the moment.

The situation with infiltration is probably very similar to the US. If you are a woman organising a Knit For Peace circle, you will probably get an undercover MI5 agent who wants to get in your knickers.


My biggest concern with the Far Right is not their military strength relative to the Evil Empire, nor that they have the credibility and numbers to seize power through electoral means, but rather that they have specifically targeted the conspiracy community for recruitment efforts, as we know Stormfront has done against Rigorous Intuition.

Given the current extent of COINTELPRO-type operations, this all would suggest that to some degree the powers-that-be are profiling the psychologically vulnerable to serve as cannon fodder in the "War on Terror" and/or to serve as their proxies in attacking shared enemies.

This very much matters to readers of R.I., as I think we should assume that we and our friends are likely targets for this sorts of recruitment, which would start with legitimate grievances and some "true facts" as it leads us down a dangerous and destructive path.


I didn't know that people from St3rmfr3nt had tried that here and would be interested in finding out more about that (I have not been on RI since the beginning and missed at the DreamsEnd stuff) - I knew there were racists trolls who were unmasked years ago by Jeff and c2w IIRC

I was interested in your idea about the PTB doing psychological profiling.
I think it is being done too, but my take is that the 'conspiracyphile community' are a pretty small percentage group. I think the two biggest sources for that will be social media like Facebook and online dating sites like OKCupid.

Its also a very interesting thought about Far Right people who are vulnerable being targeted - I noticed that in lots of interviews that the BBC did with the English Defense League, FWIW it seemed that (outside of course of the brainless thugs who were there for a good punch-up) - that the average EDL member was in a state of intense genuine bodily fear - these were very stressed out frightened people.

Other people here would be able to quote chapter and verse about what was said at Stormfart regarding R.I.- it was a bit before my time.

Searcher, I think your thoughts about Facebook and OKCupid being used for psychological profiling sound right on the mark to me.

I would certainly imagine that there are a number of neo-Nazis and whatnot who have been targeted for their psychological vulnerabilties- perhaps others through legal/financia/personal vulnerabilities- but who's to say that's not been done to people more towards "the Left", too- for example with the Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front, to cite but two examples.

A hardcore heroin addict might sell out their best friends for a fix, right?

However, I think this matters also for Rigorous Intuition because not only does all the stupid/oppressive shit pull us off course, it does help strengthen the broad brushstroke dismissals of conspiracy discourse.
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Re: List of 75 Right-Wing Terror Plots

Postby American Dream » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:33 pm

FBI’s Hutaree “Christian” Militia Raid Turned Up Nazi Propaganda, Crack Cocaine, Guns, Gas Masks, Knives …

by Carlin DeGuerin Miller
Crimesider | April 13, 2010


DETROIT (CBS/AP) FBI raids on the self-proclaimed Christian militia group, Hutaree, uncovered more than guns and a plot to kill law enforcement – they also turned up Nazi propaganda, crack cocaine, and steroids, according to court papers released Monday.

Federal agents say they also found gas masks, hand grenade instructions and schematics along with potassium chlorate.

Federal prosecutors say that David Stone Sr. and eight other members of the Michigan-based group plotted the mass killings of police officers in the hope of sparking an anti-government revolution.

The attorney for Hutaree leader David Stone Sr. called the prosecutions assertions “nonsense.”

In all, agents claim to have seized dozens of guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition, as well as other weapons, including swords and machetes. At the Whiting, Ind. home of suspected Hutaree member Thomas Piatek, authorities also found a copy of “My New Order” by Hitler; audio of “The Turner Diaries,” a novel that is popular with white supremacists; a samurai sword; a jeweled dagger; a ballistic helmet; an intrusion detection machine; and a CD titled “Explosives, Ordnance and Demolition.”

Other items ranging from laptops and external hard drives to DVDs and even Mapquest directions to an address in Washington state were carted away.

When the list of items found during the raids was read, William Swor, Stone’s attorney, said: “It sounds like a big ‘So what?’”

The nine defendants are charged with seditious conspiracy, or plotting to levy war against the U.S., and attempting to use weapons of mass destruction. A judge will hold a hearing April 27 to determine whether to keep the nine in custody while they await trial.
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Original headline: “Hutaree Militia Raided: Guns, Knives, Drugs, Gas Masks, Nazi Propaganda Uncovered, says FBI”

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Re: List of 75 Right-Wing Terror Plots

Postby American Dream » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:36 pm

Hutaree Christian Militia: God, Guns, and ‘Evil’ Jews … FBI Reportedly Moves In
March 28 2010

A handful of people have been arrested by the FBI’s anti-terrorism task force in connection with an investigation of an Adrian, Michigan-based Christian militia group — Hutaree, a group that claims it is made up of Christian soldiers preparing for a war with the anti-Christ.

Over the weekend, a large number of agents, aided by helicopters and the Department of Homeland Security, swept through Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana in raids that were apparently part of a probe into the group’s activities, claim numerous news reports from the Detroit area that quote FBI officials and/or unnamed sources.

More will be known tomorrow because suspects are expected to appear in U.S. District Court in Detroit. The arrests are sure to thrust the little-known Hutaree group into the national spotlight.

A group of men dressed in combat gear pose for a photo in a forested area, armed with assault rifles, on the group’s website along with the statement, “Preparing for the end time battles to keep the testimony of Jesus Christ alive.” The group further explains itself on the website: “We, the Hutaree, are prepared to defend all those who belong to Christ and save those who aren’t. We will still spread the word, and fight to keep it, up to the time of the great coming. Being Hutaree is to stay the Testimony of Christ alive, and follow a motto, John15:13, ‘Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.’”

The Hutaree’s website also has online forums, including one called the “Evil Jew Forum,” where people “talk about being an evil Jew and how we are taking over the world in our own private forum where no one else can see. Shalomi or something.” Another forum includes, “Local Threats/Intel,” where participants are invited to “post any intel relating to local threats to the Hutaree such as government operations against us or Ed’s constant playing of Dancing Queen (something wrong with that boy).” Another forum is simply called “Weapons,” where people discuss “the things you kill with.”

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Re: List of 75 Right-Wing Terror Plots

Postby American Dream » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:39 pm

American Dream wrote:I would certainly imagine that there are a number of neo-Nazis and whatnot who have been targeted for their psychological vulnerabilties...


Indicted Hutaree Member made Film about Serial Killer

By Todd A. Heywood | 3/30/10


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In a new twist in the Hutaree Militia story, the internet has yielded a surprising find.

Kris Sickles, a 27-year-old from Huron, Ohio, wrote, directed and acted in a feature length film entitled “Dement Incarnate.” The film, available on a MySpace account created to promote the film, runs nearly one and half hours. It is the story of a child-killing serial killer. Sickles was charged Monday with multiple violations of federal law, including sedition. Federal and state authorities allege Sickles and other members of the Hutaree Christian militia intended to “levy war” on the United States.

The film opens with Sickles — who portrays the killer — sitting on a bench. In a voice over, he muses:

“Just another day. Today I happen to be here at some park. Don’t really care where it is. That’s just it. I really don’t care. I come here every so often. and I see certain people and it just makes me think. I see a blonde here and a little baby. The only thing is I still have to decide which one. I know you are probably wondering: ‘what does he mean by which one?’ Thing is, I’m a serial killer. At least, that’s about the best I can do to describe it. But you know something? It doesn’t matter. It’s all the same. Don’t take your freedom for granted. Me? I take advantage of every opportunity. What can you do when you got so much freedom to work with? What would you do? How will this murder be different? Ah yes. The kid. I haven’t killed one of those yet.”

The film then fades into a scene where the child runs away, and Sickles grabs the child and the film implies he murders him by smashing him against a tree. This is when the credits roll. Between flash images of names, gruesome images of mutilated bodies are shown.

Now, I have done my fair share of theater and films — and with plenty of violence. So I am a bit loathe to ascribe the film as anything but a creative endeavor. But this is not Sickles’ first foray into film. A now removed video, called American Jihad, features Sickles in a war for Christ, wearing Hutaree uniforms.

In an interview with the Sandusky Register, Sickles wife, Kelly, says her husband was a survivalist — not a seditious warrior planning war on America, as federal authorities have charged.

In that story, a friend of Sickles said the films are spoofs. But the story also reveals Sickles was charged in 2004 with disseminating pornographic materials to juveniles. And his own mother turned him into Huron Ohio police authorities because she questioned his mental stability. In fact, she took his guns away.

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Re: List of 75 Right-Wing Terror Plots

Postby American Dream » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:43 pm

Arrested Michigan Militia Leader Was a Ron Paul Fanatic

By Casey Gane-McCalla | NewsOne | March 30, 2010

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Fox News recently interviewed the ex-wife of Hutaree Militia leader, David Brian Stone, who was recently arrested for plotting against police men in Michigan.

When asked what set Stone off, his ex wife said it was the election of Barack Obama and the fact that Stone was a Ron Paul fanatic who thought the government would try and take away his guns.

Several other people who have engaged in anti-government violence have also been big supporters of Ron Paul, including Holocaust Museum shooter, James Von Brunn, Pittsburgh cop killer, Richard Paplowski and Pentagon shooter, John Patrick Bedell.

Ron Paul had previously published a newsletter that included the 10 Militia Commandments. Some of these commandments included, ‘You can’t kill a Hydra by cutting off its head,’ ‘Keep the group size down,’ ‘Keep quiet and you’re harder to find,’ ‘Leave no clues,’ ‘Avoid the phone as much as possible,’ and ‘Don’t fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here’ and warned militias that they were “possibly under BATF [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms] or other totalitarian federal surveillance.”

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Re: List of 75 Right-Wing Terror Plots

Postby American Dream » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:22 pm

Casey Gane-McCalla wrote:When asked what set Stone off, his ex wife said it was the election of Barack Obama and the fact that Stone was a Ron Paul fanatic who thought the government would try and take away his guns.


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Re: List of 75 Right-Wing Terror Plots

Postby Sounder » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:38 pm

Please note that list was scrubbed of all govt. influences. Given our knowledge of govt. meddling in 'plots', the lack of implications in that direction indicates, but is not proof that this agitprop was a govt. endorsed effort.

Frankly you cannot make me scared about a crazy guy with a gun when our surveillance state can bust in on you at any time and while carrying immense firepower and immunity all because of some minor protest as to the prerogatives of the state's power.

These racist killers and their deeds are a natural by product of a culture that is based on paternalism, coercion, and control. These were sad and real losers that never found the promise of control to bear fruit. But these folk do serve their purpose for the control freaks that have indeed found the promise from their passionate commitment to coercion.

They use their loser brethren to scare the shit out of naïve normal folk and distract from the fact that the existing structures of society use American tax dollars to kill in the most disgusting and gory fashions, a million times more brown people than the most avid white nationalist could kill in their best wet dream.

Here is another ‘right wing’ plot

Remember, they play on our fears.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2 ... art_9.html



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Then there was the extraordinary Colonel Edward Lansdale. He was an advertising executive who invented what he called "psywar" when he almost singlehandedly stopped a communist takeover of the Philippines in the 1950s.

To do this Lansdale employed anthropologists to research into the fears and beliefs of the Huk rebels. He then used the information ruthlessly to create more fear. He described how he used the terror of vampires.

"One Psywar operation played upon the popular fear of asuang, or vampire. When a Huk patrol came along the trail, the ambushers silently snatched the last man of the patrol.

They punctured his neck with two holes, vampire fashion, held the body up by the heels, drained it of blood, and put the corpse back on the trail.
When the Huks returned to look for the missing man and found their bloodless comrade, every member of the patrol believed that the asuang had got him and that one of them would be next"

Lansdale said these techniques were incredibly effective.


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Re: List of 75 Right-Wing Terror Plots

Postby The Consul » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:43 pm

I have a friend who has a safe with 23 rifles in it and seven pistols. But he is sane enough for me to lend him money (with his Parazzi MX8 12 guage as collateral). Some people just like guns. Not far down the road is another friend who blows up weapons stockpiles for a living and teaches municipalities domestic and foreign what to do in the first five minutes after a bomb attack. He has shown me weapons that have washed in from Eastern Europe. The US is awash in weapons and explosives. It is easier for FBI/ATF to infiltrate skinheaders, but not easier for them to entrap (ask any US Attorney). The Patriot act makes certain things easier, but it is still politically unsavory to openly name white hate groups as terrorists. Just ask Janet Napolitano re fallout of one phrase "right-wing extremism". I don't doubt that there are agent provacateurs at work within their midst and dishonoring their constitutional rights. Nor do I doubt that somme of them are smart enough to spin them like Koresch did. I also don't doubt, for a second, that their are hundreds of people, probably thousands, who if they got a clear shot they would take it and that they don't sit around talking about it in varying degrees of certainty with their friends. I think American Dreams point is beside all that. If they could reasonably infiltrate and entrap leftists (yes, they have) they would do it all the time. But they can't because there just isn't any of it out there. Only a fool would say there are no neo christian nazi's that would absolutely love to light things up. There is not much of a media narrative over it because none of them want their stations bombed.
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Re: List of 75 Right-Wing Terror Plots

Postby American Dream » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:21 pm

The Consul wrote: I think American Dreams point is beside all that. If they could reasonably infiltrate and entrap leftists (yes, they have) they would do it all the time. But they can't because there just isn't any of it out there. Only a fool would say there are no neo christian nazi's that would absolutely love to light things up. There is not much of a media narrative over it because none of them want their stations bombed.


Oh yeah- I definitely think provocateurs in the militant Left should be a concern also- both historically (SLA, Baader-Meinhof, Red Brigades, probably Weather Underground, Angry Brigade etc.- and also currently- especially as it concerns Earth Liberation Front type actions. But yeah, the armed Right is really the low-hanging fruit. And even if there is lots of entrapment going on, don't even try to tell me there aren't plenty of people that really do want to bomb gay bars and abortion clinics, shoot liberals and leftists, get the Jews and the blacks and the immigrants etc., because I won't believe you!
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Re: List of 75 Right-Wing Terror Plots

Postby Sounder » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:20 am

don't even try to tell me there aren't plenty of people that really do want to bomb gay bars and abortion clinics, shoot liberals and leftists, get the Jews and the blacks and the immigrants etc., because I won't believe you!



But who would say that? Whatever, keep painting that picture of worry, I will paint something different.
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Re: List of 75 Right-Wing Terror Plots

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:05 pm

The Consul wrote:Only a fool would say there are no neo christian nazi's that would absolutely love to light things up. There is not much of a media narrative over it because none of them want their stations bombed.


American Dream wrote:And even if there is lots of entrapment going on, don't even try to tell me there aren't plenty of people that really do want to bomb gay bars and abortion clinics, shoot liberals and leftists, get the Jews and the blacks and the immigrants etc., because I won't believe you!


Probably. But the more immediate catastrophe is the US government channeling of billions of dollars, arming and training of really powerful, massive right-wing militias protected from any legal accountability at all. As Chris Hedges wrote nearly 6 years ago, in America's Holy Warriors:

One of the arguments used to assuage our fears that the mass movement being built by the Christian right is fascist at its core is that it has not yet created a Praetorian Guard, referring to the paramilitary force that defied legal constraints, made violence part of the political discourse and eventually plunged ancient Rome into tyranny and despotism. A paramilitary force that operates outside the law, one that sows fear among potential opponents and is capable of physically silencing those branded by their leaders as traitors, is a vital instrument in the hands of despotic movements. Communist and fascist movements during the last century each built paramilitary forces that operated beyond the reach of the law.

And yet we may be further down this road than we care to admit. ...


And that's not even counting the influential Israel-firsters in the US, with their obsessive hard-on for Muslims globally and suspected "sympathizers".

We're talking about real destruction, real blood, here; to use the word "apocalyptic" in certain cases like Iraq and elsewhere, is not necessarily an exaggeration. But the mainstream media is filled with lies, barely-veiled racist incitement and open calls for bombing countries and launching wars of aggression. How useful have the SPLA and the FBI been in doing anything about that? Especially in the case of the SPLA, I read the OP as an attempt to justify their (lucrative) existence, but not much else.
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Re: List of 75 Right-Wing Terror Plots

Postby American Dream » Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:19 pm

I think these factions of the Far Right are a very big problem for all the victims of their racist, sexist and/or homophobic violence.
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Re: List of 75 Right-Wing Terror Plots

Postby Sounder » Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:26 pm

I think these factions of the Far Right are a very big problem for all the victims of their racist, sexist and/or homophobic violence.


That is true but it is also a tautology in that to 'all the victims' it is a very big problem because they are a victim. And indeed it is a large problem for the rest of us also but it is still dwarfed by institutionalized lack of concern for the sanctity of life.


DU is a example of racism in action that a white power person can only dream about.
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Re: List of 75 Right-Wing Terror Plots

Postby American Dream » Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:16 pm

http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/?p=55593

French Far-Right Leader Jean-Marie Le Pen Convicted over Nazi Remark
18th February 2012

Founder of France’s National Front party is convicted of contesting crimes against humanity for saying the Nazi occupation wasn’t ‘particularly inhumane.’

By The Associated Press and Haaretz
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The founder of France’s far right National Front party has been convicted of contesting crimes against humanity for saying the Nazi occupation wasn’t “particularly inhumane.”

A French appeals court sentenced Jean-Marie Le Pen to a three-month suspended prison sentence on Thursday and a $13,000 fine.

Le Pen, who had made the comments in a magazine in 2005, was not present at the hearing, according to AFP. ….



CONTINUED: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/fre ... k-1.413490
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