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Nordic wrote:Heard the funniest story about Kim Basinger from somebody who worked on LA Confidential. Apparently she has something congenitially wrong with her thumbs. They're either too long or too short or something. Anyway this guy (and others, maybe the whole crew) were told that when she walked in set that whatever you do, do NOT look at her thumbs or there'd be hell to pay. Which of course made everybody want desperately to look at her freaking thumbs. There was more to it but now I can't remember, anyway it was funny as hell and apparently from that and other things this guy said, she is indeed insanely neurotic.
Nordic wrote:They also seem to have frozen Miranda Cosgrove's temporal development at about 14, as well, either through some combination of makeup, hair and wardrobe, or through god only knows what else. Like they did with those two twin boys.
The Consul wrote:Shooting of "The Hugo Pool" had to be stopped because Jr. was so strung out he could hardly stand up straight, let alone say his lines. It was a real bummer for dad since part of what swung the deal was getting Jr. in it. His buddy Seann took him out to the desert and threw him into a tent at sat in a chair by the entrance with a .357. "Come out to do anything but eat, shit or piss and I'll kill you." Emergency forced 3 day detox. It worked for a while, long enough to finish the picture.
But it wasn't much Later Jr. showed up at Altman's place with his girlfriend and everyone was freaked out cause it looked like her right eye was hanging out of the socket. Everyone tried to act normal at first but I think it was Remsen took him in the bathroom and said something to the effect of...jeezuz kid she needs a hospital...
I doubt it's Jr., he's got way too many skeltons with bones all a broken up and stuff to go there....
PART ONE: Sue Ellen, you make me smile. I love arguments about LOGIC. But whenever someone wishes to challenge me on anything, I don’t become offended. One quick question Sue: Do you know who Terry Lenzner is? Don’t Google it or WIki it. Do you know? How about Richard Mellon Sciafe? Or maybe Herb Allen? We’ll come back to that. Not sure of your basis for questioning my “knowing shit” about politics, but - if you re-read - my comments were not about politics…they were about a specific system of criminal justice and spoils/rewards, and how interests are protected. Granted you could apply the realm of politics to that - just as easily as you could evolutionary biology; anthropology; and even the application of more specific manipulative tools such as “Darwinian Economics” by way of the Nash Equilibrium and Game Theory. Or politico-industrial dynamics in a hyper-media state. However, I may have misunderstood your comment. Were you referring to actual politics, as in political science and the application of history, laws, and evolutionary government? Or was your reference to “politics” based upon a passing observation of politics in mass media, tabloid/gossip public opinion games, and/or “politics as theater and entertainment” (aka The Bored Housewife-Votes-Based-On-Scale-of-Cuteness-or-what-Oprah-says)? While I freely admit that my depth of understanding of the specific codes of criminal law and judicial procedure in the state of Colorado are vague…my prior comments were based upon generalizations steeped in very specific knowledge and experience of codes, procedure, and practices in at least two current U.S. states - as well as the same extremely high degree of “knowing shit” relative to the federal system of laws, procedures, and practices (minus perhaps the knowledge, skills, and experience of the federal tax codes). I wonder if maybe you are a school teacher? Did you ever get to explore and analyze the tenets of the Marshall Plan? And the differences between a military ruling Junta and it’s system of favors/spoils vs. a constitutional monarchy’s “peerage” system? Ever read the Magna Charta? Ever know the relationship between the House of Commons and House of Lords and their influences on the modern system of Lobbying in America? Or maybe in college you read “The Fountainhead” and assumed you knew all about Libertarianism and the limited rights of the individual versus the collective control system? Ever have to do an analysis on “Billy Budd” or Huxley’s “Brave New World”? Or study Lenin; or Ethiopia in the 1950’s; or Robert McNamara’s arguments for/against the use of opinion polls and their failed wisdom? Keynesian applications to free market influence? Because they’re all components of modern “politics” and the myth of the common rule of a self-sustainable state. Sue Ellen - do you actually KNOW the theory of sedition which led Virginia to adopt it’s motto? CONTINUED
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Himmmm said…
PART TWO - TO SUE ELLEN: Do you know that motto is Latin: “Sic Semper Tyranis”/”Thus Always to Tyrants”? Do you know that it was Ben Franklin - NOT James Madison who witnessed (as did Jefferson) in France the danger and inevitability of the corruption of the bicameral legislature? (Not to mention the Virginia House of Burgesses who threatened the Second Continental Congress with refusal of ratification). You state that Madison (I assume you mean James), “ensured factions could not rise up and become tyrannical over minorities”? I hope your quaint, nearly childlike naiveté is an attempt at sarcasm and not indicative of your true grasp on how this nation, and indeed, this world - actually work in function and practice. Like when Dwight Eisenhower warned, in his farewell address - of the power of the military-industrial complex. What Madison (and Paine more specifically - although his was more theory, whereas it was Jefferson’s actual implementations) was doing is nearly as antiquated in modern political practice as the notion of “full representative government”. It has NEVER been so. It has ALWAYS been the FEW ruling the MANY. Which is WHY Franklin said “He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither”. Because the authority of a govt over its citizens rests in it’s war powers…AND in its economic system (such as the FED and switching, as Nixon did - to Fiat currency and the loss of the gold standard which put the power into the hands of Wall Street). And, ignoring Franklin - we now are POWERLESS to confront or control our own government to any affect. We - the people - as citizens in the Republic today, are CONSTANTLY ruled by tyranny. Likewise, the “minority” (whether they be ethnic, socioeconomic, geographic, or any minority) are EVERY DAY dominated by the tyrannical elite. In the US, we call those elite “Congressmen” or “Senators” or MAJOR CAMPAIGN DONORS or even “Special Interests”. Don’t believe me? Try this: Start the clock NOW. You have 24 hours. Go out and find a single citizen in this country who does NOT have a net worth of over $100,000; or does NOT have a flag officer’s rank; or does NOT work as an Activist or Lobbyist; or who is NOT a “Celebrity”. Now: if you find such a “regular citizen”, tell this person that you want them to contact a CERTAIN PERSON (more on that in a second). When they make contact, then they must ask to have a single idea which they propose as a NEW Constitutional Amendment to be written, brought before Committee, and passed into the voting body. Too hard? Okay, then let’s make it simple. Your “regular citizen” must have their CONTACT to have the following entered into the Federal Register: ”My name is _________ and I am from __________ and I am an American Citizen. As such, I want the U.S. Government to pay for medical insurance coverage for every citizen.” Or, conversely, they can have the following entered (same name and town): “…I want the U.S. Government to not pass any legislation to regulate any control over health insurance for our citizens.” The CERTAIN PERSON that this “regular citizen” contacts MUST be ANY ONE of the following: The U.S. President; or VP; or a Senior Member of Congress (either Rep. or Senator); or a sitting Governor; A cabinet Secretary; any Bishop of the Church; or the CEO of a FORTUNE 50 Corporation. (And getting a simple “form letter” from their Rep. from the 6th District in Wyoming is NOT the same). Well, Sue Ellen? Guess what? YOU cannot do it yourself(even if you fit the criteria) and likewise THEY (your regular citizen) CANNOT and WILL NOT be able to achieve this in 24 hours. Probably not even in a week. Nor a month. Likely, not EVER. CONTINUED
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Himmmm said…
PART THREE - SUE ELLEN: Why? Because the FEW rule the MANY. Familiar with Pareto’s 80/20 Law? The ELITE TYRANTS rule over the MINORITY. THAT is the “political reality” of the USA. But don’t take my “don’t know shit” opinion, you can read the results yourself. I can actually cite you empirical data and research on this exact topic in a paper published in 1991 by Prof. Ken Mijeski at East. Tenn. State University (and was adopted and hailed as a landmark paper by the Kennedy School of Govt at Harvard). If you disagree, and somehow naively assume that government (at any level) is not simply a mechanism of influence and those who use it to their own ends…then I am only left to indeed question the color of sky in your fantasy world. The “theater of politics” Sue Ellen - is comprised of many variables. You can attribute simple items such as the “Swift Boat” scandal which was engineered against Kerry as a single variable which hurt him. Do you have ANY clue who was behind THAT? It was T. Boone Pickens. DO YOU have any clue on which corporate boards Pickens sits? Or Carl Ichan? Ever do a link analysis of Terry Lenzner’s IGI and his ties to CBS and the NY Times and Wash Post and Time-Warner? Or his relations with the Democrat Party? The SWIFT BOATING was also the work of the Mellon family in PA, along with Pulitzer winner Carlton Sherwood (who is also a FOX News analyst) to name a few. In the next election, it’s Glenn Beck and Bill OReilly. DO you not know who runs FOX News? Ever heard of Roger Alies? A Republican activist who worked for Nixon. Ever hear of Rupert Murdoch and News Corp? Still don’t think Hollywood is not tied to the White House? And it cuts both ways. The Repubs fielded a weak candidate in John McCain for a reason. The Dems fielded a candidate MADE in Hollywood. Would you like to see who donated to the OBAMA campaign? Wanna see what a difference David Geffen made in OBAMA over HILARY? Or Graydon Carter’s power pulls? Or Oprah? Do you NOT really know who Ari Emanuel is? Do you NOT know his brother is the Chief of Staff for Obama? Can you - as a mature adult - tell me that the popular support Obama received, and his media-created Cult of Personality” was because he’s just “so smart and experienced as a leader”? Likewise, do you NOT believe that John Edwards was walking on water politically until he hung himself with his sex scandals and powertrips? Do you NOT know that Edwards was protected by the mainstream media? WHY do you think not a single network or paper or magazine dogged him like they dogged Bush about his drinking/drugs and daughters? WHO broke the story? The ENQUIRER! Do you believe in the Easter Bunny too? You are blind and ill-informed if you don’t think those with power (derivative of money, fame, and muscle) make the kings. We can argue this for eternity. - I’d much prefer to sit on a park bench on a pretty Spring day with you, as a stranger, and offer you half of my sandwich and have you tell me about the first boy you kissed when you were young. Some things are important…some are not. Thank you for your critique and I hope your day is a great one today.
Luther Blissett wrote:I don't believe that Amanda Seyfried, an Allentown girl (and Allen High School grad, an extremely rough spot, no less), would act like that.
Luther wrote:
I don't believe that Amanda Seyfried, an Allentown girl (and Allen High School grad, an extremely rough spot, no less), would act like that.
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