Monarch Program Part 1 Trigger Warning

[8bitagent]

Tim Osman. Dulce New Mexico. Montauk monster experiments. Indeed it seems ever engrained in the conspiratainment folklore to speak of Lady Gaga and Monarch tales in the same breath.
But to me it all comes down to the real winking gaze from the shadows, beneath the conspiracy mythology. For, even when the "it was all 80's Satanic Panic Hysteria, FMS and wives tales...whew, we can all relax now" dust settled...those with a sense of hidden history knew that wasn't the whole story. That even beneath the layer of false stories lies a much more troubling narrative that only a few may glimpse.

There may have not been a specific "Monarch" sub-project, just like the clear mind control of Sirhan Sirhan may have not been part of an on-the-books program. But I've no doubt that people in a position of power(related to mil/intel or not) and or esoterica/institution sects have had a long history of TBMC on children, older youth and adults.

[LilyPatToo]

It's possible that the young woman in the video is just at the stage (of becoming conscious of mind control) where she's using terms she's heard online to describe actual aspects of her life and is not deliberately spreading disinformation. Having been there myself, I try to give the benefit of the doubt to people unwittingly amplifying the Monarch meme at the beginning of their discovery process That said, the video makes my head ache at the futility of trying to see through the murky, muddied water to the truth of nonconsensual human experimentation and trafficking it hides

LilyPat

[Project Willow]

It's possible that the young woman in the video is just at the stage (of becoming conscious of mind control) where she's using terms she's heard online to describe actual aspects of her life and is not deliberately spreading disinformation. Having been there myself, I try to give the benefit of the doubt to people unwittingly amplifying the Monarch meme at the beginning of their discovery process That said, the video makes my head ache at the futility of trying to see through the murky, muddied water to the truth of nonconsensual human experimentation and trafficking it hides

LilyPat

It's a rather impossible situation, isn't it? We none of us can go there and say that someone is a fake no matter how absurd the claims, which is what makes this sort of thing so effective.

It wasn't really the monarch issue that put me off. I know several survivors who still use the term. It was a number of other markers, including her attempt at explaining the tech. Can you imagine the evidence we'd have if they'd been drilling into people's brains for the last 50 years? You and I would be living it up big on our class action settlement money.

[brekin]

Grizzly, post what you want.
If you are unsure how your are running afoul of
certain rules, it is because they are probably
unwritten and idiosyncratic to a few people.

I for one don't find reposting material found on other
parts of the internet troubling. As far as I can tell
80% of the material posted on RI is that with the remaining
10% reaction and commentary to it, with around %10 original
research/narrative material. Absences of a few hours
from RI I also don't find troubling.

Those who disagree with the content of a certain post I think
should layout what they disagree with and perhaps spend less
time questioning the sincerity or thoroughness of those who post it.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Those who disagree with the content of a certain post I think
should layout what they disagree with and perhaps spend less
time questioning the sincerity or thoroughness of those who post it.

Agreed, I would only add that we can all practice the marital art of Not Getting Offended more rigorously, too. Letting little snooty asides go is difficult but very rewarding: it also gets easier with practice.

That said....separating the message from the messenger is probably the more important of the two.

[Project Willow]

I so understand, when you want to have some LULz talking about some bizarre crimes, it's a real pain in the ass to have victims around. It's so fucking oppressive to have to watch what you say, make sure you don't exacerbate the situation. Compassion is a bitch.

[brekin]

I think the lack of compassion shown Grizzly is disappointing.
This is the second time he/she has posted something and has been
"schooled" for not following unclear social byzantine rules on RI. When he/she
doesn't understand or follow the suggested protocol he/she doesn't get it and
the inner circle is aggrieved.

Some of the old guard RI'rs may have long ago tape everything off but
people just showing up I believe should be accorded good faith. Regardless
of people's backgrounds or expertise here people need to realize new members
coming late to the party aren't privy to all that has gone before and may not
be up to speed or even consider anyone expert on anything. Unfortunately we
have to prove ourselves anew everyday on the internet.

If compassion is a bitch, then patience is its mother.

[Simulist]

Regardless of people's backgrounds or expertise here people need to realize new members coming late to the party aren't privy to all that has gone before and may not be up to speed or even consider anyone expert on anything.

"People" do realize that — which is why the SECOND POST in this thread was a gentle attempt to do precisely what you have proposed.

Did Grizzly bother even to read it? Who knows?!

[brekin]

brekin wrote:
Regardless of people's backgrounds or expertise here people need to realize new members coming late to the party aren't privy to all that has gone before and may not be up to speed or even consider anyone expert on anything.

Simulist wrote:
"People" do realize that — which is why the SECOND POST in this thread was a gentle attempt to do precisely what you have proposed.

Did Grizzly bother even to read it? Who knows?!

Yes Simulist that was a polite request. (The third post in the thread about disinfo not so much.)
The wrinkle is Grizzly isn't obligated to read it or respond to it just as you would
no doubt not be obligated to check out some links I suggested to you because
I felt you weren't sufficiently qualified to post a youtube video on a subject.

No matter what the rough consensus is on some issues and attempts to educate
others on the issue are, they are just requests for the other person to share your
point of view. If they don't, then they don't. If the topic is too sensitive or painful for someone
to discuss with those who are green in the matter or wholly ignorant then maybe
it is beneficial for them to not do so on a public conspiracy (deep politics, whatever) forum.

To give a much more sillier example: freuschmen's Subject titles drive me batty with,
what I believe is, their opaqueness and non-sequitur nature related to the post content. I have expressed my
displeasure, requested more clarity and even suggested alternate title possibilities.
But if he chooses not to- then that is his prerogative. He's either unwilling/unable/too busy/ or it's not a high enough priority and
I'm not going to knock him because he doesn't share my point of view or recognize my supposed expertise
in the matter.

[Simulist]

You're right: Grizzly isn't "required" to do anything that's either been suggested or requested. At the same time, taking a few hints in order to get along with the people in the community you're trying to interface with isn't a bad idea either.