Something About The Present That May Be On Your Mind...

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Re: Something About The Present That May Be On Your Mind...

Postby brekin » Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:16 pm

8bitagent wrote:

our smart phones are our third eye, wide shut...we're already programmed in our every thought pattern, desire, like, language, mannerism, etc...but these smart phones we're so attached to, with zuckerbergian zeal, seem to be an inverted window that is preventing our true growth and human potential.


This to me is the hinge. As Macluhan said:

Each media "adds itself on to what we already are", realizing "amputations and extensions" to our senses and bodies, shaping them in a new technical form. As appealing as this remaking of ourselves may seem, it really puts us in a "narcissistic hypnosis" that prevents us from seeing the real nature of the media.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Understand ... ons_of_Man

All these smart phones, tweets, texts, feeds, social media, etc and constant ocd relationships with social and info networks are really making us dumb. They are creating a low grade schizophrenia where most everyone is neither here (immediate reality) or there (their virtual presence(s) in cyberspace). By extending some superficial aspects of ourselves it is diminishing other ones. I think we are getting to the paradoxical point where you can know almost everything about a person but be unable to engage them in a meaningful dialogue for any prolonged period of time. The technologies for making us more reflective, more engaged, more sentient, more human are so low tech and demanding of non-casual skills now they can hardly compete. I fear that the result will be that the noosphere is going to become inhabitable to sentient life.
If I knew all mysteries and all knowledge, and have not charity, I am nothing. St. Paul
I hang onto my prejudices, they are the testicles of my mind. Eric Hoffer
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Re: Something About The Present That May Be On Your Mind...

Postby brekin » Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:17 pm

8bitagent wrote:

our smart phones are our third eye, wide shut...we're already programmed in our every thought pattern, desire, like, language, mannerism, etc...but these smart phones we're so attached to, with zuckerbergian zeal, seem to be an inverted window that is preventing our true growth and human potential.


This to me is the hinge. As Macluhan said:

Each media "adds itself on to what we already are", realizing "amputations and extensions" to our senses and bodies, shaping them in a new technical form. As appealing as this remaking of ourselves may seem, it really puts us in a "narcissistic hypnosis" that prevents us from seeing the real nature of the media.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Understand ... ons_of_Man

All these smart phones, tweets, texts, feeds, social media, etc and constant ocd relationships with social and info networks are really making us dumb. They are creating a low grade schizophrenia where most everyone is neither here (immediate reality) or there (their virtual presence(s) in cyberspace). By extending some superficial aspects of ourselves it is diminishing other ones. I think we are getting to the paradoxical point where you can know almost everything about a person but be unable to engage them in a meaningful dialogue for any prolonged period of time. The technologies for making us more reflective, more engaged, more sentient, more human are so low tech and demanding of non-casual skills now they can hardly compete. I fear that the result will be that the noosphere is going to become inhabitable to sentient life.

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Re: Something About The Present That May Be On Your Mind...

Postby 82_28 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:29 pm

Goddamn. It took me close to an hour. But I was once invited to write an essay for a super awesome guy who ponders really really big shit. It was on his now dormant site, huge-entity.com.

He now runs http://machinemachine.net/

Anyways, those pictures of the glowing screens of phones reminded me of this essay I was invited to write and hadn't thought of in years. (Goddamn, I once knew how to write ;))

Nine Reasons Why 'You' Don't Exist...
Monday, February 13, 2006 → by Danieru
Pushbutton Automation

by JK
DunneIV (that's me)


There is a mystical “I” awakening. It is being stirred by events unseen and of uncertain origin. When it wakes up what will it be?

Inexistence is a nice concept. It works in that soporific marketing kind of way because inexistence is more user friendly than its more anal sister named Existence – given a choice, people dig the bliss and carelessness of inexistence more. Existence asks of its multitudinous rapt egos that they be engaged and aware. But anymore, engagement and awareness are “tasks” to be doled onto tiny gadgets running algorithms and automated signals sent by servers via radio and rapidly focused light. Thus I submit, that at an ever quickening pace, the Ego is now and will be forever more, an automated AI, adding layer upon complexifying layer everyday, hectoring the skin of life and callousing Existence's ability to recognize her brother: Inexistence, hidden, mired behind a cloud of tough, translucent flesh. We are becoming supernatural through the silent seduction of the nascent I's cries.

It is for our inexistence that I write these randomized, pontificating thoughts in order to contribute something, anything to this “World Wide Web” we came of age in continual contact with. We are striking out into it because, at our cores, we do not exist fully, but seek communion with something as equally empty nonetheless. We are not noticed, yet are, only when we take the time to notice the other for ourselves. And we, ourselves, do not notice when we do not take the time out of our “existences” to care about the general act of “noticing” the fact that ultimately, innumerable unknowable others do as well. Thus many do not care about their necessary existence because they seek to not be noticed in and of this perceived chaos that lurks in the darknesses everywhere. For, we find, that there is nothing for us “supernaturals” to warrant being noticed for! So we hide. To exist fully in the open, devoid of inhibition and perpetually brimming with energy, is to knock yourself out of existence so to speak.

I am at a club in the cobblestoned past of a cellar that now houses Drum and Bass DJs on Saturday nights. It is dark and the marijuana and beer I have consumed, the people I have seen grimace and pose, the telltale mode of police state security through a billion lenses and miniature glowing personal screens has made the place a node for the virtualscape underworld. There are lapping tails and braying claws on the periphery. In the center there are automatons with occasional facial illumination as they check. They check they check they check. I see them check as they bob to the ever enveloping cadence. So I, like a pupil of a professor who yawns in front of class, check mine too – bobbing in time. I proceed to fire up a conversation with someone in Chicago then text a joke to someone's cellphone 5 miles away. And yet the immediate darkness persists.

The glows of various human faces lit up by uniform devicery becomes more clear and lucid as more people pile into the venue made of brick and deep blue neon. Like an ooze of a swimming luminescent jellyfish, the humans communicate into and out of networks, networking their brainwaves with the dude who stands in front of two record players – texting their thoughts elsewhere as their voices and senses have been muted. Images of flatly illuminated faces come and go, some bearing teeth like a warbuilt chimp–potential brutality, like the sounds of the launching bullets embedded within the music the body involuntarily sways to. Others still illuminated here and there by a virtualworldly LED blue, only to flash out of existence once again – with an unheard soundfile as its been swallowed by vibrations of the bigger and more powerful speakers in its vicinity. Indeed, inexistence. For $1.99 a sound and ten bucks to get in.

You cannot talk but you can text. You also need your personal and paid-up artifact to make you glow when you're amidst a noise, a net, you cannot network, let alone swim your way out of if you wanted. You are ensnared. Is this the user-friendly universe built upon the notions of packaging and traveling and refueling our coffeecards that we've been waylaid into accepting as a default limitless future? Is this the world of pushbutton automation where out dreams are but a click away? Is the universe a place now that it is represented by variously themed menu schemes? Or does it, like ourselves, not exist either, its conventional understanding of which having been “automated” out of any high soaring human relevance whatsoever?


http://www.huge-entity.com/2006/02/nine ... exist.html

Anyways, those pictures and thread reminded me of that write-up. . . Which incidentally, dude's website is going back into my bookmarks from three computers ago.
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Re: Something About The Present That May Be On Your Mind...

Postby justdrew » Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:36 pm

remember when the complain was about people talking on their phones on the bus?

"hi. yeah, hi. I'm on the bus... wh.. h... I'M ON THE BUS. YEAH. OK. SURE. When... What? HALF HOUR or so, traffics bad. OK, SEE YOU THERE. BUH BUY"

I remember telling people about text messaging before it caught on. "It's big in Japan" Most people though it sounded nuts. No way they'd ever do that.

Now it's quiet on the buses again.
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Re: Something About The Present That May Be On Your Mind...

Postby blanc » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:32 pm

Here's a crazy idea. What if in the future a new priest class comes into being, drawn from those too poor or too old and cranky to have obliterated their thought processing capacity with repeated texting.
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Re: Something About The Present That May Be On Your Mind...

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:41 am

Its funny watching people texting while walking tho. It'd be fun to make a video of people texting while walking while an accomplice runs around putting banana peels in their way.

Or is that too misanthropic?

probably not. If people are that unconcerned with situational awareness they probably deserve to be prey to something or other.

I just happened to watch the video for Bittersweet symphony by the verve before and if you know that video, or don't watch it and count the mobile phone users...
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Re: Something About The Present That May Be On Your Mind...

Postby tazmic » Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:37 am



"I remember telling people about text messaging before it caught on. "It's big in Japan" Most people though it sounded nuts. No way they'd ever do that."

If I remember the story right for the first phone marketed with txtability, the inventors didn't believe that anyone would want to type in a message using their thumbs on a device that could actually call people. But they stuck with it for some reason.
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Re: Something About The Present That May Be On Your Mind...

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:54 pm

For some reason virtually if not all females I know use text, while most my guy friends simply just call. Not sure why that is
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Re: Something About The Present That May Be On Your Mind...

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:22 pm

This us tv news report is worth watching (just barely) for 2 reasons - one is the cop who thinks the answer is cracking down on people by ticketing them the other is a clown on a unicycle and how many people fail to notice.

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Re: Something About The Present That May Be On Your Mind...

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:57 am

Joe Hillshoist wrote:This us tv news report is worth watching (just barely) for 2 reasons - one is the cop who thinks the answer is cracking down on people by ticketing them the other is a clown on a unicycle and how many people fail to notice.




Lordy. I think we're inching closer to Idiocracy the movie more than a William Gibson novel
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Re: Something About The Present That May Be On Your Mind...

Postby Crow » Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:02 pm



Indian summer
Fresh mown grass
Girls in the attic
looking on them
Indian summer
call me back
Someone tell me there is another way

Is it loud
Is it autumn that you're talking about
Is it why
Is it lost on what I'm talking about
Is it just that you can't find a way out
Find another way
teach me how to pray

Indian Summer
Through the year
On the medicine wheel
Call me back
Trap me in between
somewhere west
somewhere south
it seems these days
anything west gets the blade
gets wasted

Is it right
Is it real what you're talking about
Everything that I feel
you're talking about
Sometimes I don't know what I'm hearing now
Is there another way
There is another way
another way to pray

Here, here, here, here

Girls take your hands like you pray
over the ground
then back on your body
Girls take your hands like you pray
through the blades of grass
gently, gently, gently
There is another way
yes, another way
another way to pray

Indian summer
Fresh mown grass
Can you Mr Bush
light the sage
Can you, anyone that's listening
find a way
It is clear, it is clear
that we need another way
another way to pray

Do you feel
Do you feel now
what I'm talking about
everywhere that I look
I know no one's coming out
out of it
what it is
and what they're feeling now
There is another way
another way to pray
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Re: Something About The Present That May Be On Your Mind...

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:14 pm

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Re: Something About The Present That May Be On Your Mind...

Postby Hammer of Los » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:18 am

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blanc wrote:Here's a crazy idea. What if in the future a new priest class comes into being, drawn from those too poor or too old and cranky to have obliterated their thought processing capacity with repeated texting.


Hehe.

You're too funny blanc.

Which is to say: Amen!

I don't even have a mobile phone.

They're evil, man.

I'm not that old though.

Poor and cranky, check.

Oh, and yes, 82_28. Clearly there is a mystical I Awakening.

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