UFOs over Denver - Needs to be seen to be semi believed

[Elvis]

Yes. This can mean only one thing: the Ancient Insect Astronauts have returned.

Seriously, though, I'm not convinced all the examples are insects, but I doubt it's aliens. I'm pretty sure that off-the-shelf technology can do what's in the video, e.g. a souped-up iPhone-controlled minicopter maybe?

[82_28]

When it drops into the trees in what looks like perfect perspective, is what made me scratch my chin. It goes into those trees and no longer looks like an insect. Jesus, I wish this fucking guy would reveal himself as opposed to be anonymous. Chump, drive up north, catch a Broncos game and yourself to this hillside! That's an order.

[82_28]

I mean if the motherfucker goes out to that field a "few times a week" with his tripod and shit he should be pretty easy to spot and his identification known. It should be reproducible. I wish I was in Denver to test it all out. It's not as though dude didn't give up enough information just by the reporter giving the locale of where he sets up shop to capture this footage.

[H_C_E]

Well sure, I'll accept that some of these things can be explained
as human technology. And I don't accept the ET hypothesis. Yet
as someone who has looked deeply into the subject, I still feel that
it is not fair or reasonable to dismiss the idea out of hand, that we
share the planet with other intelligences. Or perhaps these things
are eruptions from the Collective Unconscious.

Whatever all of this UFO\abductions\entities and related might
actually be, it does seem that the phenomena is telling us something
important about the nature of reality, and should be investigated with
an open mind.

Whatever was on that video, I find it difficult to believe that human technology
has gotten good enough to move that fast. But then again, maybe it has.

I might not have believed what I had seen, but we both looked at each other and said, "Did you see that!"

This is the object lesson for me in this. I once believed the Black Helicopter reports to be the product
of overly paranoid minds, and at least partly urban legend, partly misperceived\misunderstood experiences.
Then I saw one myself, up close and under the most hair raisingly bizarre circumstances. And with multiple
other witnesses. I try to remember now to never say merely "yes" or "no" something, but instead to say "maybe."

[undead]

If they aren't insects, then they are surveillance drones looking for pot plants, because that is the main thing that the "aliens" (nazis) are interested in.

[wordspeak2]

There are definitely Nazis passing as aliens, but there are definitely transdimensional beings on this planet, as well, which I can tell you from smoking DMT and encountering them over and over again. And after reading the wildly fascinating book "The Cosmic Serpent: DNA and the Origins of Knowledge," by Jeremy Narby (anyone else?), I'm convinced that this intelligence force has extraterrestrial origins, and that it's embedded in DNA, which is the should-have-been-obvious link between ancient shamanic beliefs and modern biology. DNA represents the same twin serpent- double helix- or "twisting ladder"- that's ubiquitous in shamanic imagery from around the world, from cultures that were geographically disconnected.
There is apparently "other" intelligence on the planet right now; you can see it with your own eyes if you're willing to rip through the matrix, which most people aren't. There's a congruity of of all life, which manifests as what modern science calls DNA and ancient shamanic cultures variously called different things. (quoting Narby, "What scientists call DNA corresponds to the animate essences that shamans say communicate with them and animate all life forms.") Watson and Crick apparently discovered DNA while tripping, which makes a lot of sense. Crick also believed that humans were seeded by extraterrestrials, a little-known fact (Crick went deep into this in one of his books). However, as well as the good/light force/beings/"ecology of souls" that is embedded in ayahuasca/DNA, there is clearly a bad/dark force galactic force present on this planet, and somehow it's taken control of the humans who have taken global political power- Nazis, indeed.
This is all just what's easily knowable; it says very little, really. I have no idea at this point what those "UFO's" are. I'm not seeing insects, personally; they move too fast. I'm curious why justdrew thinks it's most likely a homemade operation- why do you think so? People on the Reddit UFO forum are pointing out that were military aircraft were seen flying all around after the UFO's... if the UFO's were drone tests in the first place, why would the military then go flying after them, and why in a populated area? Well, possibly for various reasons. Here's that thread, btw:
http://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1 ... y_has_the/
Links to other Denver UFO sightings in the past year on that thread.

I personally don't know if Raytheon and their Nazi friends have technology at that level and speed yet, but I would assume that they do. If I had to guess, I would obviously say these things are most likely military/Nazi drones, whether being tested or actually being used in some way (perhaps targeting every marijuana movement leader in Denver for elimination- kidding). Or, maybe they're light force intergalactic beings trying to send some signal or something over Denver, which is undeniably viewed as an energy apex right now. And, notably, Colorado Springs, one of the most reactionary areas in the country (and home of Focus on the Family) is the base for NORAD, and is- what- only a couple hour drive from Denver, right?
Idk, I only just started to look into this... but if it's just some prankster at home- thanks to him or her for getting TV news coverage and making UFO's, interdimensional beings, Nazis, and cutting-edge drone technology live topics.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Ed Zachary.

John Boyd made a name for himself off the core insight that the slowest part of any given aviation system is the human being in the pilot seat. His solution, operating from a 1950's brainpan with a broader horizon than most, was to analyze the cognition behind combat. A cleaner solution, from our modern Automata Era, is to remove the pilot altogether - take the exquisite, nearly pilotless feedback loops of the F-35 control system and just use the computers.

The speeds indicate an object that literally cannot crash. The location indicates that this technology has been iterated and crash tested enough for brass to sign off on routine demonstrations over densely urban areas.

After all, "too fast" for a human pilot means that the visual/spatial picture is updating faster than the human processor can handle. It's worth considering that, not only could a system of networked microprocessors handle a vastly higher "frame rate" than even the most modafinil-ized human, but it could also take really nice, clean, high-resolution photos the whole time.

'City-Sized' Surveillance

Predator-class drones are today's spy tools of choice; the military and CIA have hundreds of them keeping watch over Pakistan, Libya, Yemen, Mexico, and elsewhere. But the Predators and the larger Reapers are imperfect eyes in the sky. They rely on cameras that offer, as the military cliche goes, a "soda straw" view of the battlefield -- maybe a square kilometer, depending on how high the drone flies.

Tomorrow's sensors, on the other hand, will be able to monitor an area 10 times larger with twice the resolution. The Autonomous Real-time Ground Ubiquitous Surveillance Imaging System ("Argus, for short) is a collection of 92 five-megapixel cameras. In a single day, it collects six petabytes of video — the equivalent of 79.8 years' worth of HD video.

Argus and other "Wide Area Airborne Surveillance" systems have their limitations. Right now, the military doesn't have the bandwidth to pull all that video off a drone in real time. Nor it does it have the analysts to watch all the footage; they're barely keeping up with the soda straws. Plus, the camera bundles have had some problems sharing data with some of the military's other spy systems.

But interest in the Wide Area Airborne Surveillance systems is growing -- and not just among those looking to spy overseas. The Department of Homeland Security recently put out a call for a camera array that could keep tabs on 10 square kilometers at once, and tested out another WAAS sensor along the border. Meanwhile, Sierra Nevada Corporation, a well-traveled intelligence contractor, is marketing its so-called "Vigilant Stare" sensor (.pdf), which it says will watch "city-sized fields of regard" for domestic "counter-narcotics" and "civil unrest" missions. Keep your eyes peeled.

— Noah Shachtman

The disconnect, it should be noted, between the high-tech toys of SOF teams vs. the Russian-style crap that your average GI spends their career dealing with....worlds apart. Field commanders are still trying to get into basic intel loops and still being told that troops are just not a priority for this Modern Army.

Of course, another way to deal with the problem of crashing into the ground at thousands of miles per hour would be some Hessdalen / plasma style transient matter that barely exists in any conventional sense to begin with...

[elfismiles]

I'm all for discussion of possible alternative theories for ufos, tulpas and projections of the collective unconcious, dimensional beings etc.

However, when I look at those videos being discussed they remind me of the insects video'd and called "rods" which took the ufo / para world by storm several years ago.

Am I certain of that? No. So HCE and all, I don't consider my reaction "dismissive". I'm just offerring my perspective on how I see the video.

Certainly, it could also be some new drone tech but I also don't buy that personally as we've been following the drone tech pretty closely and it doesn't seem to be within the realm of what we know.

Ok, so perhaps it is some new super hi-tech version. Cool! Let's keep investigating.

My comments on this video aren't meant to detract from the personal sightings of 82_28 or chump etal. In their cases they claim to have seen something with their naked eyes whereas in the case of the video footage in question they say the whatsits were not visible to the nake eye - only discerned on the camera footage after the fact.

[H_C_E]

I'm all for discussion of possible alternative theories for ufos, tulpas and projections of the collective unconcious, dimensional beings etc.

However, when I look at those videos being discussed they remind me of the insects video'd and called "rods" which took the ufo / para world by storm several years ago.

Am I certain of that? No. So HCE and all, I don't consider my reaction "dismissive". I'm just offerring my perspective on how I see the video.

Certainly, it could also be some new drone tech but I also don't buy that personally as we've been following the drone tech pretty closely and it doesn't seem to be within the realm of what we know.

Ok, so perhaps it is some new super hi-tech version. Cool! Let's keep investigating.

My comments on this video aren't meant to detract from the personal sightings of 82_28 or chump etal. In their cases they claim to have seen something with their naked eyes whereas in the case of the video footage in question they say the whatsits were not visible to the nake eye - only discerned on the camera footage after the fact

Fair enough. And I mean that sincerely. You make a valid and important point.
But my comment about being dismissive wasn't for you alone, or isolated to this thread.
I've been watching quietly from the sidelines for quite some time. So my comment encompasses
all of that span of time.

But yes, a healthy open minded skepticism is required. Zeteticism is the word\idea that applies here.

I too read Narby's book. But when it comes to what he, the shamen and others have been told - It's easy
to hear voices or talk with other intelligences. The trick is knowing if they are telling you the truth. Any encounter
a human has with something 'Other' is going to be filtered by species and culture bound perception. So that presents
a second difficulty in dealing with these things. They are tricksters, let there be no doubt.

[Elvis]

If it's insects, wouldn't the same sort of fast-flying objects show up on outdoor videos everywhere, all the time? In my experience, they don't. And 82_28 points out that flying insects in Colorado are now at a seasonal low.

[barracuda]

If they're insects they'd have to be some sort of fairly large, shiny beetle flying rather slowly. They look nothing like most skyfish videos, which typically feature elongation due to interlacing and video frame rate.

[justdrew]

some of the motion does look a lot like insects, but the TV newsreaders says, "it's not insects" so I guess they somehow ruled that out. does seem to go behind clouds in a few shots. but maybe its just being washed out by the cloud background.

too damn bad the guy and/or tv station wont upload some HD video

or catch the same field of view from a different angle, with two cameras

[82_28]

If it's insects, wouldn't the same sort of fast-flying objects show up on outdoor videos everywhere, all the time? In my experience, they don't. And 82_28 points out that flying insects in Colorado are now at a seasonal low.

I didn't think about that aspect of it, but yeah, you're right. You'd see that stuff everywhere on all videos filmed outdoors. I don't know why they don't go down to the neighborhood where they supposedly "launch" from.

[Nordic]

Reminds me if "orbs" which people gor so excited about a few years ago which are nothing but dust bits reflecting camera flash back into the lens, out of focus. What i see are lens placement, lens type, lighting situation, etc combining to photograph insects that are in the foreground giving the illusion that they are further away and thus moving much faster.

The 2nd video Barracuda posted is obviously of something else and far more intriguing, although lights in the sky at night can also look very different than what they actually are.

And if you know me by now, you know i'm extremely openminded about such things. I just think this is a whole lot of nothin. Sorry.

[Freitag]

even the most modafinil-ized human

Great stuff, got me through college