The IanEye Theory of Personality

[Project Willow]

You mean, victim responsibility-restoring? Really, PW, do you think I am blaming victims?

I was referring to the Last Psychiatrist thread and your associated posts in another, and there most definitely is a victim-blaming element to all of it. You can't just ignore the power dynamic, judging and lecturing those who do not share your privileges, in whose shoes you could never walk. You're mirroring a pattern in the very system you seem to want to dismantle.

As for your capability to analyze a theory...
Would you prefer I treat you like a semi-invalid, or like a fully-capable participant?
Personally, I'd prefer the latter. If there's something that can't be achieved, no sweat.
...

I thought I had made it quite clear that Ian's brief encapsulation of DID in his comparison was false, (apparently I wasn't clear enough) so I never expected you to take my question seriously. It was a flippant remark designed to point out the cruelty in repeating stigmatizing disinformation. The comparison to DID isn't essential to further exploration of the central theory, unless your intention is indeed to insult people.

[IanEye]

i just want to jump in here and say this whole thread seems to have started from a little thought bubble i had when i was really high and thinking about stuff.
i did in fact use the word "theory", but i didn't go out of the way to apply any scientific rigor to testing this concept as a theory.

I thought I had made it quite clear that Ian's brief encapsulation of DID in his comparison was false, (apparently I wasn't clear enough) so I never expected you to take my question seriously. It was a flippant remark designed to point out the cruelty in repeating stigmatizing disinformation. The comparison to DID isn't essential to further exploration of the central theory, unless your intention is indeed to insult people.

again, the initial quote from me is from a page that started in the Lounge, i wasn't trying to make any definitive pronouncements about DID or anything else.

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This Brain Wave Generator software is pretty cool:

http://www.bwgen.com/index.htm



I have a Mac now so I don't use it anymore

But it lets you create your own "sessions" and you can even export them as .wav files.

it uses binaural beats and strobes

probably the best thing about it is that it inspired me to make binaural programs for my Waldorf MicroWave XT synth, I feel like I got better "entrainment" with the Waldorf because I could sit there, put on my headphones and dial in the correct frequency based on how I was feeling that day. Plus it is just fun to rock a lowpass filter!

If anyone knows of a quality brainwave generator type program for the Mac, please let me know......

mainly this thread has made me sad that i ever decided to sell my Waldorf MicroWave XT. i could amuse myself for hours by smoking pot and making bleepy bloopy noises with that thing.

now, if you will excuse me, i am off to my puffy cloud to smoke marijuana and play BioShock:



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[Project Willow]

again, the initial quote from me is from a page that started in the Lounge, i wasn't trying to make any definitive pronouncements about DID or anything else.

I know IanEye. Hope you are well.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I wrote a verse about this a few months ago, album should be out by summer. Here's the lyrics:

my stream of consciousness is a constant toxic drip
they say it’s good to get it out but me, I’m not convinced
better left alone...guess we’ll never know, son
cuz I don’t think I’ve ever been inside my head alone once
brain is a radio, three pound receiver
seven billion stations all leak out my speakers
can’t explain it either, took the credit and the blame
even though I know better, just pretending to be sane
lay awake at night, listen to the circuits pop
I can turn it down but I could never turn it off
so there’s no dividing lines inside my mind for certain
no hands behind the wheel, no man behind the curtain
dying to believe what I’m lying through my teeth
denial and deceit, psychiatry that bleeds
the science of complete compliance by degrees
until finally you’re free....I AM THE MACHINE

I have had voices in my head since I was a kid, I take them for granted. It never stops. As such, I cannot help but feel some sympathy towards the subject of this thread.

[FourthBase]

You mean, victim responsibility-restoring? Really, PW, do you think I am blaming victims?

I was referring to the Last Psychiatrist thread and your associated posts in another, and there most definitely is a victim-blaming element to all of it. You can't just ignore the power dynamic, judging and lecturing those who do not share your privileges, in whose shoes you could never walk. You're mirroring a pattern in the very system you seem to want to dismantle.

There is most definitely not.
You are incorrect.

Ignore the power dynamic?
The whole thread is about the power dynamic.

Judging and lecturing, ahhh...you mean, mansplaining?
Shall I get a sex change so you can take me seriously?

Hey, guess what, I was abused by teens as a toddler.
Will you take me seriously now? Or do I still have to have been a girl?

What was that about a mirror, again?

As for your capability to analyze a theory...
Would you prefer I treat you like a semi-invalid, or like a fully-capable participant?
Personally, I'd prefer the latter. If there's something that can't be achieved, no sweat.
...

I thought I had made it quite clear that Ian's brief encapsulation of DID in his comparison was false, (apparently I wasn't clear enough) so I never expected you to take my question seriously. It was a flippant remark designed to point out the cruelty in repeating stigmatizing disinformation. The comparison to DID isn't essential to further exploration of the central theory, unless your intention is indeed to insult people.

From the thread you posted:

Jingo fever: I've wondered about the neuro aspect of DID as well. I don't have an answer but mabye pw will.

I do know that the parts would often have their own dreams. (the host was not dreaming, the part was.)

I also think that I hold my memories (as an integrated person) differently than people who have never been DID. My memories are stored where I can often access them like a CD player would go directly to a song and play it where as other non DID people seem to remember more like the old VHS tapes where the past seems very distant and they have to rewind to get back there in time. I never had the rewind feeling now. It's like the memories are stored differently.

Or this:

The low end on a spectrum of DID would represent the threshold for the diagnosis, the existence of two personality aspects, and perhaps created by a single traumatic event. Moving further into more complexity you might find a small, flamboyant alter system as exemplified by the case of Sybil, while towards the other end would be complex cases involving dozens of major personality aspects and hundreds of fragmental aspects.

How does that description, as one example, not comport with IE's brief and necessarily-incomplete description that he disclaimed as maybe not being the best explanation? It seems like it's in the same ballpark,seems that way to a non-DID person, anyway.

Anyway, in terms of the more metaphysical aspects of this thread, i have a theory about multi personality disorder. i think a "normal" personality is made up of hundreds of personas, and when life poses a puzzle to an individual, these personas attack the puzzle all at once in a big blur and what emerges is a sort of consensus about the best possible way forward.

I think the "defect" of those with multiple personality disorder is that what happens to them is this approach breaks down and they tend to get "stuck" in one personality for much longer than "normal" people do. So, their problem is not that they have more personalities than average, but that they spend much too long in any one mask, where as the average person applies many personas to the puzzle.

How is one personality aspect or alter (from the variegated, cybernetic array IE speculates as all humans having) being isolated and frozen (and then perhaps having other such frozen and isolated aspects/alters added to form a set) differ from the DID explanation you'd provide in an FAQ? Is it missing...what? The brutal method by which the isolating and freezing takes place? Replaced by intransitive wording like "spend much too long" or "get 'stuck'"? Can't speak for IE, but maybe he was reluctant to dwell on the exact genesis of the condition? Please show me I'd be foolish to imagine such a thing as "DID privilege" by patiently explaining exactly how the IE Theory does not accurately describe the experience/condition, please?

[FourthBase]

my stream of consciousness is a constant toxic drip
they say it’s good to get it out but me, I’m not convinced
better left alone...guess we’ll never know, son
cuz I don’t think I’ve ever been inside my head alone once
brain is a radio, three pound receiver
seven billion stations all leak out my speakers
can’t explain it either, took the credit and the blame
even though I know better, just pretending to be sane
lay awake at night, listen to the circuits pop
I can turn it down but I could never turn it off
so there’s no dividing lines inside my mind for certain
no hands behind the wheel, no man behind the curtain
dying to believe what I’m lying through my teeth
denial and deceit, psychiatry that bleeds
the science of complete compliance by degrees
until finally you’re free....I AM THE MACHINE

I set that in my head to a pleasant SMiLE-era Beach Boys tune.
I imagine it'll be more like...hardcore rap or metal?
Regardless, GREAT lyrics.

[Project Willow]

Let's parse it, shall we?

I think the "defect" of those with multiple personality disorder is that what happens to them is this approach breaks down and they tend to get "stuck" in one personality for much longer than "normal" people do. So, their problem is not that they have more personalities than average, but that they spend much too long in any one mask, where as the average person applies many personas to the puzzle.

"Defect" - not language I would choose. I've seen people turned into vegetables or die because they couldn't dissociate adequately enough.

"Not that they have more personalities than average" - All alters are fragmented parts of a whole, they aren't additions in the sense of how they are created, but once created, because of their relative independence, their skills, opinions, feelings, etc. are often developed to a greater degree than a "persona" in someone who doesn't have DID, and sometimes they develop extraordinary abilities.

"This approach breaks down.....stuck in one part" - assumes that only one alter is currently or consistently "out". This is false. Assumes that alters not currently "out" do not react to current scenarios. They often do. Their reactions may be more varied and therefore internally inconsistent to the whole, and some individual reactions may even be unhealthy, but this isn't always a weakness. There's that old adage, sometimes two heads are better than one. Example: I have an internal republican who helps me hone my arguments in political discussions.

Review this list of ten benefits of having DID: http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=488803#p488803

Being able to do more than one thing at the same time.
Always having someone to talk to.
Being able to maintain the joy of a child's perspective.
Being able to take a break even when the outside body has to keep going.
Having the ability to remember so much more of life's experiences.
Having the ability to understand life and events from a variety of different perspectives.
Blocking out pain.
Quite possibly needing less sleep?
Looking younger.
The ability to fit in with a variety of different people.

I could flip all of those on their head and proclaim them comparative defects in so-called normals.

What is your point in hammering on the perceived inadequacies of people with DID if not to castigate us for fucking up the world because we cannot address problems in a more integrated manner? What is the point of telling women we're fucking up the world by inadequately addressing patriarchy? Why are you singling out the "other" for your castigation?

Why can't a man who wants to understand women respectfully inquire, read, and then listen? Why can't people who are interested in DID respectfully inquire, read, and then listen? Why must an insulting proclamation be made which sets the other party on the defensive from the very beginning? I've responded far more than I ever intended to any of these discourses, which are abusive in nature.

[FourthBase]

Thank you. Seriously. We learned. You helped.
What you wound up doing was correcting and improving the theory.
As opposed to discrediting it, dismissing it. Thank you.

What is your point in hammering on the perceived inadequacies of people with DID if not to castigate us for fucking up the world because we cannot address problems in a more integrated manner? What is the point of telling women we're fucking up the world by inadequately addressing patriarchy? Why are you singling out the "other" for your castigation?

Facepalming, sadly.

Why can't a man who wants to understand women respectfully inquire, read, and then listen? Why can't people who are interested in DID respectfully inquire, read, and then listen? Why must an insulting proclamation be made which sets the other party on the defensive from the very beginning? I've responded far more than I ever intended to any of these discourses, which are abusive in nature.

I want to understand the world. Women are part of the world. To deny me the standing, because I am a man, to examine the part of the world which is women, to refuse me the right to make helpful suggestions and whatever, to categorize anything I say which you simply don't like hearing as an insult, as abuse, as blaming the victim (when it is almost precisely the opposite), is not only woefully inaccurate (really, woe) but is an assertion of privilege on your part, not mine. As a sports fan would say "Scoreboard!", I say to you again: "Mirror!"

[Project Willow]

As a human being, not an object, I absolutely have the privilege and the right to tell someone when their approach to me is insensitive and hurtful. Those are my feelings, they are not ideas that are subject to debate.

[FourthBase]

As a human being, not an object, I absolutely have the privilege and the right to tell someone when their approach to me is insensitive and hurtful. Those are my feelings, they are not ideas that are subject to debate.

We are all -- all of us, every human being -- also objects.

My approach is: Whatever Is True.
Sorry about the feelings, but they come second.

[brekin]

I don't have a dog in this fight but...

Fourthbase wrote: I think the "defect" of those with multiple personality disorder is that what happens to them is this approach breaks down and they tend to get "stuck" in one personality for much longer than "normal" people do. So, their problem is not that they have more personalities than average, but that they spend much too long in any one mask, where as the average person applies many personas to the puzzle.

Project Willow wrote:
"Defect" - not language I would choose. I've seen people turned into vegetables or die because they couldn't dissociate adequately enough.

Multiple Personality Disorder has "disorder" in its title. Disorder implies a defect. I don't think it could be simpler.
I also don't see how one can call on the victimhood of those who suffer from multiple personality disorder on one hand and then on the other hand imply that they don't suffer from some defect? It would be like claiming sufferers of PTSD are disordered in the way they perceive and adapt to reality because of past trauma, but that their response shouldn't be construed as defective? Granted their response is probably a normal response to a extreme situation but the prolonged repercussions and results are I would think agreed by everyone a defective adaptation that has outlived its usefulness. That is the tragedy. I don't think that is insensitive to those who suffer from PTSD or MPD. They suffer from a defective, imperfect, way of processing because of past trauma. Wouldn't it be more insensitive to think that they don't suffer from a defective way of processing and they just have some novel adaptation?

[Project Willow]

I never implied any such thing. I don't like the word defect, because it encourages the labeling of others as defective. How would you like it if someone called you that?

Fuck you.

[FourthBase]

Would now be a good time to point out that "defect" was in quotes?

Anyway, in terms of the more metaphysical aspects of this thread, i have a theory about multi personality disorder. i think a "normal" personality is made up of hundreds of personas, and when life poses a puzzle to an individual, these personas attack the puzzle all at once in a big blur and what emerges is a sort of consensus about the best possible way forward.

I think the "defect" of those with multiple personality disorder is that what happens to them is this approach breaks down and they tend to get "stuck" in one personality for much longer than "normal" people do. So, their problem is not that they have more personalities than average, but that they spend much too long in any one mask, where as the average person applies many personas to the puzzle.

Not sure if I am explaining that as well as i could.

[brekin]

Project Willow wrote:

I never implied any such thing. I don't like the word defect, because it encourages the labeling of others as defective. How would you like it if someone called you that?

Fuck you.

Meh, funny thing about words is that they continue to describe things whether we like them or not. Perhaps you don't understand that someone (everyone) can have a defect and yet still not be considered defective? Probably not, because it doesn't seem you engage in subtleties or shades of grey.

And how would I like it if someone called me defective? I'd probably like it less than if they said "Fuck you."
Which I guess is a way of saying to someone they are defective. Isn't that ironic?

[Project Willow]

I cannot believe this is happening on RI. Oh the company you keep....

















DID is a curable condition, not a set of defects.