Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight

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Re: Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight

Postby Simulist » Wed May 08, 2013 1:15 pm

norton ash wrote:http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/05/07/psychic-on-the-montel-williams-show-said-amanda-berry-was-dead/

A psychic on The Montel Williams Show told Amanda Berry’s mother that her missing daughter was dead. Amanda Berry was found very much alive Monday, after she went missing a decade earlier.

A story that was first published in the Cleveland newspaper The Plain Dealer on Nov. 18, 2004, and republished on May 7 after Berry was located, tells the sad story of Louwana Miller, Berry’s mother. Miller appeared on The Montel Williams Show where psychic Sylvia Browne told her: “She’s not alive, honey. Your daughter’s not the kind who wouldn’t call.”

Miller said she believed the psychic “98 per cent” and packed up her daughter’s room. Until then, she had been holding out hope that her daughter was still alive.

“Please don’t misunderstand me. I still don’t want to believe it,” she told the newspaper at the time. “I want to have hope but, after a year and a half, what else is there? It seems like the God-honest truth. My daughter would always call home.”

Berry’s mother died in March 2006 of heart failure, still thinking her daughter was dead. Miller was 44 when she died.



Well done, psychic Ms. Browne. Well done.

Yes. Also Montel Williams should be remembered for enabling Sylvia Browne's deceit for so many years.
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Re: Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight

Postby Project Willow » Wed May 08, 2013 1:29 pm

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/08/us-usa-missing-ohio-suspect-idUSBRE94704Z20130508

Hints of a dark side in Cleveland abduction suspect's life
By Daniel Trotta

CLEVELAND | Wed May 8, 2013 1:23am EDT

(Reuters) - In hindsight, there were signs of a darker side to Ariel Castro, the Cleveland man suspected of abducting three girls and holding them captive for around a decade.

Divorced years ago and never seen in the company of women, Castro suddenly started showing up in the largely Latino, working-class neighborhood with a 6-year-old girl. It was his girlfriend's child, he told neighbors.

Castro, 52, was believed to have lived alone, yet on his lunch break would bring home enough bags of fast food and beverages for several people.

He was a school bus driver given mostly "excellent" marks on his performance appraisals, but was repeatedly disciplined, including for one incident when he was accused of calling a young student a "bitch" and leaving the child alone on a bus. These incidents eventually caught up with him, and he was fired last November.

Castro was arrested in 1993 after a domestic violence complaint, though a grand jury decided not to indict him.

Family, friends and neighbors were shocked when police rescued three women locked inside Castro's house on Monday and found a 6-year-old girl who police believe was born in captivity. The three women, today aged 32, 27 and 23, went missing from 2002 to 2004.

Castro and two of his brothers, Onil, 50, and Pedro, 54, were taken into custody on Monday and were expected to be charged within 36 hours of their arrest.

"It could be he was hiding a personality, because if it did happen you would have to have two personalities," said Julio Cesar Castro, 77, the arrested brothers' uncle and owner of the Caribe Grocery half a block from Ariel's home. "He appeared to be something, and be something else."

LATIN MUSICIAN

For years, Castro's neighbors on Seymour Avenue saw him as a friendly but private person, an accomplished musician who played bass in Latin bands such as Borin Plena and Grupo Fuego. He liked motor-bikes and showed up at neighborhood barbecues in a vacant lot on Seymour Avenue. He was a self-taught mechanic who loved to talk about cars.

He owned an unremarkable, two-story house in a somewhat dilapidated part of Cleveland. Built in 1890, the home had an assessed value of a mere $13,200 in 2011, according to property records. Its windows were covered to block views from the outside.

One childhood friend said a music session with Castro, who was born in Puerto Rico, suddenly turned bizarre.

"Ariel was in my garage probably five or six years ago. We were recording a song, an idea we had - a little hard rock with some Latin," said Joe Popow, 45, a father of six who said he has known the Castro brothers since childhood.

"And - you're going to laugh - he said he was in the CIA. And I don't know if he was joking or not, but it's the way he said it, how serious he said it. I didn't know what he was capable of. That just put me on defense, and I just started stepping away," Popow said.

Intensely private for years, Ariel Castro recently had been seen taking a young girl to the park and to the playground at the local McDonald's restaurant, neighbors said.

One of those neighbors, Israel Lugo, 39, said it was the same little girl who was in the arms of one of the abducted women, Amanda Berry, when she and the others were freed from the Castro home. He was there to witness them leave the house, he said.


"I've seen him with the little girl once or twice. He said it was his girlfriend's daughter," said Lugo, a self-employed roofing contractor.

When family and friends of missing Cleveland woman Gina DeJesus held a vigil last month to mark nine years since her disappearance, one of those attending was Castro, a longtime neighbor said.

"He came to a vigil and acted as if nothing was wrong," said Anthony Quiros, 24, who lived next door to Castro's house growing up.

'LAY DOWN, BITCH'

Lugo said his sister once noticed Castro park his school bus in front of his home and enter with a large bag of food and tray of drinks. His mother called the police, who simply advised Castro not to park his bus there, Lugo said.

Castro was a bus driver for the Cleveland school district for years, driving children as young as preschool to various schools in the city.

He was fired from that job effective November 6, 2012, after a fourth incident that resulted in disciplinary action, documents released by the school district said.

In the most serious incident, a witness told investigators that on January 27, 2004, Castro left Wade Park Elementary School with a child still on the bus and drove to a Wendy's restaurant, the documents said. The gender and age of the child were not given.

"Lay down, bitch," Castro is quoted by the witness as saying to the child. He then left the student alone on the bus and went into the Wendy's for lunch.

The Cuyahoga County Department of Children and Family Services, which serves Cleveland, investigated the allegation and concluded the complaint was "unsubstantiated." Even so, Castro was temporarily suspended by the school district over the complaint.

At the same time, his record includes performance appraisals with dozens of check marks in the "excellent" boxes on the form.

"I do want to say that I have known Mr. Castro to be an effective bus driver," Joshua Gunvalsen, a school principal, wrote in a letter in one of the disciplinary cases. "I have witnessed him trying to work with students, families and myself to handle student issues."

Castro was arrested on December 27, 1993, in connection with a domestic violence complaint and released on $10,000 bail, but case was dropped when grand jury declined to indict him, court records show. They did not say who brought the complaint.

According to neighbors who have lived there since before the Castros moved in, that complaint would have come near the end of Castro's marriage, which people in the neighborhood said produced two or three children.

Authorities had twice responded to the house where the women were held, once in 2000 and a second time in 2004, said Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson.

"So now after all this has happened, I think, 'Oh my God. What did I miss?'" said Popow, the childhood friend of the Castros. "This person came to my house. He was in my garage. I have a daughter the same age."

(Additional reporting by Kim Palmer, Chris Francescani, Robin Respaut and Greg McCune; Editing by Greg McCune and Philip Barbara)
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Re: Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight

Postby 8bitagent » Wed May 08, 2013 5:09 pm

norton ash wrote:http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/05/07/psychic-on-the-montel-williams-show-said-amanda-berry-was-dead/

A psychic on The Montel Williams Show told Amanda Berry’s mother that her missing daughter was dead. Amanda Berry was found very much alive Monday, after she went missing a decade earlier.

A story that was first published in the Cleveland newspaper The Plain Dealer on Nov. 18, 2004, and republished on May 7 after Berry was located, tells the sad story of Louwana Miller, Berry’s mother. Miller appeared on The Montel Williams Show where psychic Sylvia Browne told her: “She’s not alive, honey. Your daughter’s not the kind who wouldn’t call.”

Miller said she believed the psychic “98 per cent” and packed up her daughter’s room. Until then, she had been holding out hope that her daughter was still alive.

“Please don’t misunderstand me. I still don’t want to believe it,” she told the newspaper at the time. “I want to have hope but, after a year and a half, what else is there? It seems like the God-honest truth. My daughter would always call home.”

Berry’s mother died in March 2006 of heart failure, still thinking her daughter was dead. Miller was 44 when she died.



Well done, psychic Ms. Browne. Well done.


Like many "para" "experts", psychics are not real. At least not the ones you see cavorting about on tv or shops. I mean while I do believe millions of people genuinely shared unexplainable psychic like dreams relating to 9/11 before hand, not a single psychic has come forward to explain the truth of 9/11. Or any event. If they have it's rare or it's a lucky guess.

Now what really sucks is this poor woman died in 2006 thinking her daughter was dead. These three brothers I believe deserve harsh punishment.
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Re: Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight

Postby 8bitagent » Wed May 08, 2013 5:15 pm

Man details of Castro's behavior is so bizarre. Children's bus driver? (Jokingly?) claimed to be CIA. Was seen as normal and active in the community.

There is a strange phenomenon I've seen explored in movies. There's serial killers...but then the idea of a serial collector, like in the 1997 film Kiss The Girls.
Again, how many missing cases are tied together?
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Re: Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight

Postby Novem5er » Wed May 08, 2013 5:45 pm

justdrew wrote:
Novem5er wrote:I'm watching Rachel Maddow on MSNBC right now and she showed that around 450,000 children are reported missing every year... BUT (she assures us) only 2% of those cases are "abduction by stranger".

Wait. Do the math. 2% of 450,000 is still 9,000 children abducted by strangers across America every year. I know that statistically it's a small number, but Jesus Christ! Add up a couple of years and you could fill a football stadium with children who were forcefully taken from their families by complete strangers. Didn't Jeff write a frightening blog entry about this a few years ago?


yes. it's mind boggling. but I still find the 450,000 number hard to believe. that's a substantial percent of ALL children isn't it? sure some of them are misunderstandings or runaways but can there really be that many divorce-nappers?

"Absolutely there is a chance," Allen said. "Justice Department research shows that even in most serious child abduction cases where kids are taken by strangers, in nearly 60 percent of those cases the child comes home alive."


According to the number on Maddow's show, of those 450,000 missing children every year: more than 40% were runaways, another 40+% were simply "misplaced" (I assume, not where they were supposed to be, but quickly found and returned). 8% were lost/injured, 6% were family abductions, and 2% were abducted by a stranger. These percents are not 100% accurate, as I'm going off memory.

I like FourthBase's line of questioning. One perpetrator and it's a crime. Three and it's a conspiracy. Let's keep going with that.
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Re: Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight

Postby justdrew » Wed May 08, 2013 5:48 pm

8bitagent wrote:Man details of Castro's behavior is so bizarre. Children's bus driver? (Jokingly?) claimed to be CIA. Was seen as normal and active in the community.

There is a strange phenomenon I've seen explored in movies. There's serial killers...but then the idea of a serial collector, like in the 1997 film Kiss The Girls.
Again, how many missing cases are tied together?


he could have been setting up a baby farm. Ten years is a long time. I don't think it's medically possible to tell how many children a woman has had, but hopefully the freed women will remember if there were other children born.
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Re: Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight

Postby Hunter » Wed May 08, 2013 7:50 pm

So he claims to be CIA and the story breaks and dominates the news at the same time Benghazi starts to get hot. I am sure its NOT connected but thats a mind blower there.
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Re: Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight

Postby justdrew » Wed May 08, 2013 7:55 pm

Alchemy wrote:So he claims to be CIA and the story breaks and dominates the news at the same time Benghazi starts to get hot. I am sure its connected but thats a mind blower there.


what the fuck?

Benghazi is not hot. what is wrong with people JFC :eeyaa
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Re: Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight

Postby Hunter » Wed May 08, 2013 8:19 pm

justdrew wrote:
Alchemy wrote:So he claims to be CIA and the story breaks and dominates the news at the same time Benghazi starts to get hot. I am sure its connected but thats a mind blower there.


what the fuck?

Benghazi is not hot. what is wrong with people JFC :eeyaa

Well I meant to say I AM SURE IT IS NOT CONNECTED and is just a curious coincidence, and I dont mean that in a smart ass way, just an observation, but the typo didnt help.
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Re: Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight

Postby justdrew » Wed May 08, 2013 8:21 pm

s'alright

I'm sure it is hot in Benghazi, though not due to anything the shameful republican circus clowns can dig up, or that pathetic guilt ridden fool Hicks.
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Re: Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight

Postby Hunter » Wed May 08, 2013 8:33 pm

justdrew wrote:s'alright

I'm sure it is hot in Benghazi, though not due to anything the shameful republican circus clowns can dig up, or that pathetic guilt ridden fool Hicks.


No big deal, I dont mind you calling me on my shit at all, keeps things healthy. But that was an honest typo.


We can def agree to disagree on the temp wrt to Benghazi, do think its warming up. :basicsmile
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Re: Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight

Postby justdrew » Wed May 08, 2013 8:40 pm

Alchemy wrote:
justdrew wrote:s'alright

I'm sure it is hot in Benghazi, though not due to anything the shameful republican circus clowns can dig up, or that pathetic guilt ridden fool Hicks.


No big deal, I dont mind you calling me on my shit at all, keeps things healthy. But that was an honest typo.


We can def agree to disagree on the temp wrt to Benghazi, do think its warming up. :basicsmile


so you think they should have sent Jets to flyover and that special forces who couldn't get there in time should have been sent? Cause that's all they got.
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Re: Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight

Postby Hunter » Wed May 08, 2013 8:48 pm

justdrew wrote:
Alchemy wrote:
justdrew wrote:s'alright

I'm sure it is hot in Benghazi, though not due to anything the shameful republican circus clowns can dig up, or that pathetic guilt ridden fool Hicks.


No big deal, I dont mind you calling me on my shit at all, keeps things healthy. But that was an honest typo.


We can def agree to disagree on the temp wrt to Benghazi, do think its warming up. :basicsmile


so you think they should have sent Jets to flyover and that special forces who couldn't get there in time should have been sent? Cause that's all they got.

Nah I dont know what should have been done, Drew, I just think there is a coverup in play here and I cant really honestly tell you what is being covered I dont know, but my gut tells me nobody involved is on the up and up wrt this It may or may not involved factions or the right or left, I am not trying to blame democrats and praise the right, I just think the whole thing stinks mostly because just about anything the CIA and black ops does.
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Re: Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight

Postby justdrew » Wed May 08, 2013 8:54 pm

well, there are those who's craftiness preys upon such assumptions.

There's no indication republicans give a shit about uncovering any deep dark secrets, they just want to play armchair quarterback and damage the nation with their bullshit, AS ALWAYS.
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Re: Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight

Postby Hunter » Wed May 08, 2013 8:59 pm

justdrew wrote:well, there are those who's craftiness preys upon such assumptions.

There's no indication republicans give a shit about uncovering any deep dark secrets, they just want to play armchair quarterback and damage the nation with their bullshit, AS ALWAYS.

No argument from me about that, the republicans are guilty as charged. But that doesnt mean everything they look in to it a democratic which hunt anymore than it would be fair to say EVERYTHING is a conspiracy, which you take great issue with around here and for good reason.

I am gonna keep an open mind on this one, maybe it is a witch hunt to damage Obama maybe it isnt. One thing seems certain to me, we will likely never really know either way.
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