Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed May 08, 2013 9:33 pm

I don't think we should be linking to AFP...you should delete the link

The American Free Press was Founded by Right Wing Ideologue Willis Carto

The American Free Press was founded by Willis Carto, believed by some critics to be the leading exponent of anti-Semitism in the United States in the latter half of the 20th century. Carto, widely considered a white supremacist, was co-founder of the Institute for Historical Review, which has championed Holocaust revisionism and has been accused of being a neo-Nazi organization. Carto also founded The Barnes Review, and the Liberty Lobby, best known for publishing the now-defunct paper The Spotlight. Carto and other editors from The Spotlight went on to establish the American Free Press.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby Jerky » Wed May 08, 2013 9:36 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:you've been watching Glen Beck just a little bit too much :roll: 2002 Karachi, Pakistan; 2004, Uzbekistan; 2004, Saudi Arabia; 2006, Syria; 2007, Athens; 2008, Serbia; 2008, Yemen.


Yeah, that's the feeling I got reading him post, too. Issa, trustworthy?! The guy was a a fucking CAR THIEF before squirming his way into office, where he served as the dirtiest of dirty deedsters in the take-down of a California Democratic governor to be replaced by (yuck) Schwartzenthingy. He wept, then, too, when his dirty deeds didn't get him any higher up the bone-ladder. Remember? This guy's presence signals IMMEDIATE bullshit to me.

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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed May 08, 2013 9:37 pm

just wildly flinging shit against the wall here ...
but could we be living through an attempt by the CIA (backed by who knows who - bankers? the Heat Miser? Mr. Burns?) to destabilize the gov't? The story from the Democrats on the lameness of the Benghazi cover-up is that the CIA actually drafted and re-wrote the 'talking points' which, I guess, included the cockamamie story about the video resulting in an uprising. And it would have been the CIA in large part who did or did not support more security for Stevens in the first place. The CIA was the organization funneling the weapons through the consulate/special missions center in Benghazi to Syria. Add to all of this the blatant mishandling (at the very least) in Boston ...

I don't know, but I do think that the partisanship is blinding a lot of people from the truth.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby Hunter » Wed May 08, 2013 9:38 pm

I am Jewish, you can be sure I wont be posting anything antisemitic and there is nothing in that article that is remotely so, I dont care for AFP either but what is being said in that article is pretty much the same thing everyone else is reporting from the right, which I did point out, it is what the right is saying and I also said I am not endorsing it but I will keep an open mind to it, I am certainly going to close my mind to any of it in some silly attempt to protect the likes of Obama and Clinton.

That happened to be the article that came up quickly on google, among several others saying the same thing, so I ran with it, there is no antisemitic intent at all, I am as Jewish as you can get.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed May 08, 2013 9:39 pm

if you are Jewish why in hell's name would you even be reading that crap
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed May 08, 2013 9:41 pm

AGAIN

The American Free Press was Founded by Right Wing Ideologue Willis Carto

The American Free Press was founded by Willis Carto, believed by some critics to be the leading exponent of anti-Semitism in the United States in the latter half of the 20th century. Carto, widely considered a white supremacist, was co-founder of the Institute for Historical Review, which has championed Holocaust revisionism and has been accused of being a neo-Nazi organization. Carto also founded The Barnes Review, and the Liberty Lobby, best known for publishing the now-defunct paper The Spotlight. Carto and other editors from The Spotlight went on to establish the American Free Press.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed May 08, 2013 9:42 pm

Alchemy wrote:I am Jewish, you can be sure I wont be posting anything antisemitic and there is nothing in that article that is remotely so, I dont care for AFP either but what is being said in that article is pretty much the same thing everyone else is reporting from the right, which I did point out, it is what the right is saying and I also said I am not endorsing it but I will keep an open mind to it, I am certainly going to close my mind to any of it in some silly attempt to protect the likes of Obama and Clinton.

That happened to be the article that came up quickly on google, among several others saying the same thing, so I ran with it, there is no antisemitic intent at all, I am as Jewish as you can get.



It would be a good idea to know your sources before posting
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed May 08, 2013 9:45 pm

if you only read one side, you only know a tiny portion of the story.
IMO, a pre-approved list of books or other reading material is a little bit f.. oops. Can't say that word.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed May 08, 2013 9:46 pm

Willis Carto
Date of Birth: 1926
Groups: Barnes Review
Location: Washington, D.C.
Ideology: White Nationalist
Willis Carto has been a major figure on the American radical right since the 1950s, when he set up his anti-Semitic Liberty Lobby with offices not far from the White House. Although at one time he had access to leading politicians, Carto eventually became infamous for his pro-Nazi and rabidly anti-Jewish views and lost those connections. In 1978, he founded the first major American Holocaust-denial outfit, the Institute for Historical Review. Throughout his career, Carto has been known for his anti-Semitism, anti-black racism and the wild alternative health claims regularly made in his various publications.

In His Own Words
"Without a means of confronting the onrushing third world, white civilization is doomed. It can do nothing else but deteriorate to a third world level with all that implies: the final triumph of liberalism; political correctness; a garbage culture; poverty; the extermination of the middle class and then Marxism. It means Jewish political and cultural domination, including a political tyranny comparable to Stalinism."
— "Is Christianity Relevant?", The Barnes Review website

"The Israelis literally control our press all except a few of us, the American Free Press and The Barnes Review and a few other patriotic, independent publications around the country. They control our Congress… . [A]ny one of them [members of Congress] is liable to rise up on the floor at anytime and deliver a speech praising Jews and Zionists and Blacks and Indians and heaven only knows, but can you imagine any one of them standing up and praising White Christians?"
— Interview by Michael Collins Piper, April 20, 2007

Background
In 1955, Carto founded the Liberty Lobby, which billed itself as a conservative, anti-Communist group but became known for its advocacy of both white supremacy and anti-Semitism. Carto personally held strong anti-Semitic views and claimed to be a devotee of the theories of Francis Parker Yockey, who in his 600-page book Imperium pitched an upbeat message to beleaguered fascists, urging them to engage in a "world-historical struggle" and arguing that the fall of the Third Reich was merely a temporary setback that paved the way for a future triumph. (Carto also was one of the first American writers to deny the Holocaust in print: "‘Gas-chambers' that did not exist were photographed, and a ‘gasmobile' was invented to titillate the mechanically-minded.") Carto's Liberty Lobby promoted Yockey's writings in its newspaper, The Spotlight, and later his publishing outfit, Noontide Press, republished Imperium along with other works promoting a white supremacist worldview.

Carto was very active in the politics of the 1960s. According to Dan T. Carter's book, The Politics of Rage: George Wallace, the Origins of the New Conservatism, and the Transformation of American Politics (1996), Carto was a key supporter of governor George Wallace. In the lead-up to Wallace's 1968 presidential bid, Carto co-authored a pamphlet headlined "Stand Up For America: The Story of George C. Wallace," lauding the candidate as the only one capable of beating back "Blacky" and the Communist-dominated federal government. Carto's Liberty Lobby mailed 175,000 copies to its subscribers and printed an additional 150,000 copies that were provided to the Wallace campaign for distribution.

After Wallace's bid failed, Carto decided to build a more explicitly neo-Nazi organization. He took control of Youth for Wallace and renamed it the National Youth Alliance. The ousted directors of the Wallace youth group grew concerned when they discovered that the movers and shakers behind Carto's political apparatus were part of a subterranean neo-Nazi cult known as the Francis Parker Yockey Society. "They belong to secret cells," columnist Drew Pearson reported in 1969, "where they are known only by code names. ... They sing the old Nazi songs, hoard Nazi war relics and display the swastika at their meetings. ... They seek the overthrow of democracy in the United States." Imperium was even introduced as the founding theoretical text of the National Youth Alliance, which fell apart amidst internecine strife. (It would be reconstituted as the National Alliance by William Pierce, a former acolyte of American Nazi Party founder George Lincoln Rockwell and, until Pierce's death in 2002, America's most important neo-Nazi organization.) For several years, one-time Klan leader David Duke also sold Imperium through his mail-order book catalog.

In 1978, Carto spun off a new organization (under a parent organization called the Legion for the Survival of Freedom) called the Institute for Historical Review (IHR). The IHR presented itself as a legitimate historical research group, devoted to "revisionism" — a term hijacked from a school of credible historians who offered new interpretations for the origins of World War I. In fact, the new organization was made up of white supremacists and Nazi sympathizers, and it would draw expertise from the like-minded from around the world. Its mission was to erase the Holocaust by any means at its disposal — including distortion, misquotation and outright falsification.

IHR's first annual conference was held in 1979. As in subsequent meetings, deniers from around the world attended and helped to introduce some key American extremists to Holocaust denial. David Duke, the neo-Nazi who was then national leader of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, was so taken with the idea that he followed up the conference with an issue of his Crusader newspaper that he dubbed the "Special Holocaust Edition." In the same way, National Socialist Party of America leader Frank Collin enthusiastically embraced denial, saying, "There was no Holocaust, but they deserve one — and will get it."

In 1984, Carto helped to found the far right Populist Party, which soon became a haven for white supremacists and other racial extremists. David Duke, the former Ku Klux Klan leader, captured the party's presidential nomination in 1988, winning 0.05% of the national vote; in 1992, Bo Gritz, the former Green Beret and militia enthusiast, headed the party's ticket, grabbing 0.1%, twice the amount that Duke had received. Behind the scenes, however, infighting was splitting the party's ranks. According to a report by the Anti-Defamation League, before Duke's nomination in 1988, Carto and his followers were pushed from power, forcing him to set up a separate faction under the leadership of Don Wassall, who later broke with Carto over financial and managerial disputes (Wassall would later found his own racist organization, the American Nationalist Union, and become a chapter leader in the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens). Carto then turned on the Populist Party, using the Liberty Lobby's newspaper, The Spotlight, to attack his former organization. By 1994, political infighting had so riven the organization that it was unable to field a candidate in the 1996 election.

In 1993, Carto found himself involved in another political battle, this time for control of the Institute for Historical Review. The leadership of IHR voted to terminate the organization's association with Carto, accusing him of fraud and financial mismanagement. Among other assets, what was a stake was control over millions of dollars in bequests to the IHR's parent corporation. A series of disputes followed, including, at one point, Carto occupying the IHR's headquarters in an attempt to seize control. A number of complicated lawsuits ensued, and the court battles lasted for years. In 1996, a California Superior Court judge ruled against Carto, ordering him to pay IHR over $6 million. In response, Carto and the Liberty Lobby filed for bankruptcy.

During this process, Carto decided to launch a new publication, The Barnes Review, dedicated to historical revisionism, which would compete directly with the IHR's Journal of Historical Review. Initially funded by the Liberty Lobby and staffed by members of The Spotlight newspaper, The Barnes Review has gone on to supplant IHR's Journal as the nation's leading Holocaust-denial publication.

In 2001, after years of stalling and legal wrangling in an attempt to shield his assets from seizure, Carto was ordered by the courts to relinquish control of Liberty Lobby and The Spotlight and to vacate his long held Liberty Lobby offices in Washington, D.C. Soon after, Carto did shutter The Spotlight (its last edition was July 2, 2001). However, a month later, Carto and former staffers of The Spotlight created yet another newspaper, American Free Press. Today, the Press carries stories on Zionism, secret "New World Order" conspiracies, American Jews and Israel. Mixed in are advertisements for outfits like Pete Peter's Scriptures for America and Kingdom Identity Ministries — practitioners of Christian Identity, a theology that claims that Jews are the biological descendants of Satan.

Recently, Carto himself has apparently become an adherent of Christian Identity. In an article posted on The Barnes Review website entitled, "Is Christianity Relevant?," he claimed that the "present day Jews are not the descendants of the group celebrated in the die [sic] Old Testament but as a combination of races in no way connected to it." Instead, Identity adherents believe that the "Aryan white races — the Germanic and Keltic peoples in particular — are literally the chosen people of God," Carto writes. "Based on this reality, one must conclude that the Identity message holds out hope for survival — not only spiritual and cultural survival — but racial survival."
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby Jerky » Wed May 08, 2013 9:48 pm

My point, however, is that nothing IN WHAT THEY'RE SAYING seems to implicate Obama or Clinton in anything all THAT untoward. Watergate? Pshaw. There is NO THERE THERE as far as I can see, certainly far less than in WilsonGate, Iran Contra, October Surprise, etc, etc, etc ad apocalyptum.

Alchemy wrote:I am Jewish, you can be sure I wont be posting anything antisemitic and there is nothing in that article that is remotely so, I dont care for AFP either but what is being said in that article is pretty much the same thing everyone else is reporting from the right, which I did point out, it is what the right is saying and I also said I am not endorsing it but I will keep an open mind to it, I am certainly going to close my mind to any of it in some silly attempt to protect the likes of Obama and Clinton.

That happened to be the article that came up quickly on google, among several others saying the same thing, so I ran with it, there is no antisemitic intent at all, I am as Jewish as you can get.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed May 08, 2013 9:48 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:if you only read one side, you only know a tiny portion of the story.
IMO, a pre-approved list of books or other reading material is a little bit f.. oops. Can't say that word.




I am not going to stand for anyone bringing AFP here it's one side we do not need to hear from...it's just fucking crap
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby Hunter » Wed May 08, 2013 9:49 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:if you are Jewish why in hell's name would you even be reading that crap

Because I dont limit my options when I am researching, I like to read and inform myself to all sides.

Sorry if that offends there is no intent for that, if I want to know what the right is saying I need to go to that side of the fence and see and in fairness I posted that viewpoint here in a thread started by someone asking what this is all about, I trust that person is an adult and is capable of judging the source and doesnt need to me admonished, sheltered and protected like a fucking child.

There is nothing antisemitic in that article so this is a moot point, if there were that would be different, I also did not encourage anyone to click any AFP links and posted the article in full here instead.


Can we get back to Benghazi, I didnt intend for a simple article to stop the entire discussion and take it on another course entirely.


I have made it clear I dont know which side to believe on this so I am keeping my options open.

You dont have to stand for anyone posting that article, you said what you had to say now we can move on.

If the mods dont like the article they can remove it.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed May 08, 2013 9:53 pm

Alchemy wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:if you are Jewish why in hell's name would you even be reading that crap

Because I dont limit my options when I am researching, I like to read and inform myself to all sides.

Sorry if that offends there is no intent for that, if I want to know what the right is saying I need to go to that side of the fence and see and in fairness I posted that viewpoint here in a thread started by someone asking what this is all about, I trust that person is an adult and is capable of judging the source and doesnt need to me admonished, sheltered and protected like a fucking child.

There is nothing antisemitic in that article so this is a moot point, if there were that would be different, I also did not encourage anyone to click any AFP links and posted the article in full here instead.


Can we get back to Benghazi, I didnt intend for a simple article to stop the entire discussion and take it on another course entire.


AGAIN...ONE MORE TIME
READ THIS AND STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR NOT KNOWING YOUR SOURCES


Willis Carto
Date of Birth: 1926
Groups: Barnes Review
Location: Washington, D.C.
Ideology: White Nationalist
Willis Carto has been a major figure on the American radical right since the 1950s, when he set up his anti-Semitic Liberty Lobby with offices not far from the White House. Although at one time he had access to leading politicians, Carto eventually became infamous for his pro-Nazi and rabidly anti-Jewish views and lost those connections. In 1978, he founded the first major American Holocaust-denial outfit, the Institute for Historical Review. Throughout his career, Carto has been known for his anti-Semitism, anti-black racism and the wild alternative health claims regularly made in his various publications.

In His Own Words
"Without a means of confronting the onrushing third world, white civilization is doomed. It can do nothing else but deteriorate to a third world level with all that implies: the final triumph of liberalism; political correctness; a garbage culture; poverty; the extermination of the middle class and then Marxism. It means Jewish political and cultural domination, including a political tyranny comparable to Stalinism."
— "Is Christianity Relevant?", The Barnes Review website

"The Israelis literally control our press all except a few of us, the American Free Press and The Barnes Review and a few other patriotic, independent publications around the country. They control our Congress… . [A]ny one of them [members of Congress] is liable to rise up on the floor at anytime and deliver a speech praising Jews and Zionists and Blacks and Indians and heaven only knows, but can you imagine any one of them standing up and praising White Christians?"
— Interview by Michael Collins Piper, April 20, 2007

Background
In 1955, Carto founded the Liberty Lobby, which billed itself as a conservative, anti-Communist group but became known for its advocacy of both white supremacy and anti-Semitism. Carto personally held strong anti-Semitic views and claimed to be a devotee of the theories of Francis Parker Yockey, who in his 600-page book Imperium pitched an upbeat message to beleaguered fascists, urging them to engage in a "world-historical struggle" and arguing that the fall of the Third Reich was merely a temporary setback that paved the way for a future triumph. (Carto also was one of the first American writers to deny the Holocaust in print: "‘Gas-chambers' that did not exist were photographed, and a ‘gasmobile' was invented to titillate the mechanically-minded.") Carto's Liberty Lobby promoted Yockey's writings in its newspaper, The Spotlight, and later his publishing outfit, Noontide Press, republished Imperium along with other works promoting a white supremacist worldview.

Carto was very active in the politics of the 1960s. According to Dan T. Carter's book, The Politics of Rage: George Wallace, the Origins of the New Conservatism, and the Transformation of American Politics (1996), Carto was a key supporter of governor George Wallace. In the lead-up to Wallace's 1968 presidential bid, Carto co-authored a pamphlet headlined "Stand Up For America: The Story of George C. Wallace," lauding the candidate as the only one capable of beating back "Blacky" and the Communist-dominated federal government. Carto's Liberty Lobby mailed 175,000 copies to its subscribers and printed an additional 150,000 copies that were provided to the Wallace campaign for distribution.

After Wallace's bid failed, Carto decided to build a more explicitly neo-Nazi organization. He took control of Youth for Wallace and renamed it the National Youth Alliance. The ousted directors of the Wallace youth group grew concerned when they discovered that the movers and shakers behind Carto's political apparatus were part of a subterranean neo-Nazi cult known as the Francis Parker Yockey Society. "They belong to secret cells," columnist Drew Pearson reported in 1969, "where they are known only by code names. ... They sing the old Nazi songs, hoard Nazi war relics and display the swastika at their meetings. ... They seek the overthrow of democracy in the United States." Imperium was even introduced as the founding theoretical text of the National Youth Alliance, which fell apart amidst internecine strife. (It would be reconstituted as the National Alliance by William Pierce, a former acolyte of American Nazi Party founder George Lincoln Rockwell and, until Pierce's death in 2002, America's most important neo-Nazi organization.) For several years, one-time Klan leader David Duke also sold Imperium through his mail-order book catalog.

In 1978, Carto spun off a new organization (under a parent organization called the Legion for the Survival of Freedom) called the Institute for Historical Review (IHR). The IHR presented itself as a legitimate historical research group, devoted to "revisionism" — a term hijacked from a school of credible historians who offered new interpretations for the origins of World War I. In fact, the new organization was made up of white supremacists and Nazi sympathizers, and it would draw expertise from the like-minded from around the world. Its mission was to erase the Holocaust by any means at its disposal — including distortion, misquotation and outright falsification.

IHR's first annual conference was held in 1979. As in subsequent meetings, deniers from around the world attended and helped to introduce some key American extremists to Holocaust denial. David Duke, the neo-Nazi who was then national leader of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, was so taken with the idea that he followed up the conference with an issue of his Crusader newspaper that he dubbed the "Special Holocaust Edition." In the same way, National Socialist Party of America leader Frank Collin enthusiastically embraced denial, saying, "There was no Holocaust, but they deserve one — and will get it."

In 1984, Carto helped to found the far right Populist Party, which soon became a haven for white supremacists and other racial extremists. David Duke, the former Ku Klux Klan leader, captured the party's presidential nomination in 1988, winning 0.05% of the national vote; in 1992, Bo Gritz, the former Green Beret and militia enthusiast, headed the party's ticket, grabbing 0.1%, twice the amount that Duke had received. Behind the scenes, however, infighting was splitting the party's ranks. According to a report by the Anti-Defamation League, before Duke's nomination in 1988, Carto and his followers were pushed from power, forcing him to set up a separate faction under the leadership of Don Wassall, who later broke with Carto over financial and managerial disputes (Wassall would later found his own racist organization, the American Nationalist Union, and become a chapter leader in the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens). Carto then turned on the Populist Party, using the Liberty Lobby's newspaper, The Spotlight, to attack his former organization. By 1994, political infighting had so riven the organization that it was unable to field a candidate in the 1996 election.

In 1993, Carto found himself involved in another political battle, this time for control of the Institute for Historical Review. The leadership of IHR voted to terminate the organization's association with Carto, accusing him of fraud and financial mismanagement. Among other assets, what was a stake was control over millions of dollars in bequests to the IHR's parent corporation. A series of disputes followed, including, at one point, Carto occupying the IHR's headquarters in an attempt to seize control. A number of complicated lawsuits ensued, and the court battles lasted for years. In 1996, a California Superior Court judge ruled against Carto, ordering him to pay IHR over $6 million. In response, Carto and the Liberty Lobby filed for bankruptcy.

During this process, Carto decided to launch a new publication, The Barnes Review, dedicated to historical revisionism, which would compete directly with the IHR's Journal of Historical Review. Initially funded by the Liberty Lobby and staffed by members of The Spotlight newspaper, The Barnes Review has gone on to supplant IHR's Journal as the nation's leading Holocaust-denial publication.

In 2001, after years of stalling and legal wrangling in an attempt to shield his assets from seizure, Carto was ordered by the courts to relinquish control of Liberty Lobby and The Spotlight and to vacate his long held Liberty Lobby offices in Washington, D.C. Soon after, Carto did shutter The Spotlight (its last edition was July 2, 2001). However, a month later, Carto and former staffers of The Spotlight created yet another newspaper, American Free Press. Today, the Press carries stories on Zionism, secret "New World Order" conspiracies, American Jews and Israel. Mixed in are advertisements for outfits like Pete Peter's Scriptures for America and Kingdom Identity Ministries — practitioners of Christian Identity, a theology that claims that Jews are the biological descendants of Satan.

Recently, Carto himself has apparently become an adherent of Christian Identity. In an article posted on The Barnes Review website entitled, "Is Christianity Relevant?," he claimed that the "present day Jews are not the descendants of the group celebrated in the die [sic] Old Testament but as a combination of races in no way connected to it." Instead, Identity adherents believe that the "Aryan white races — the Germanic and Keltic peoples in particular — are literally the chosen people of God," Carto writes. "Based on this reality, one must conclude that the Identity message holds out hope for survival — not only spiritual and cultural survival — but racial survival."
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby FourthBase » Wed May 08, 2013 9:55 pm

Let's say a bunch of rotten bullshit-artists are fighting for power. Both sides have a rap sheet of transgressions and lies and black-ops and election-rigging, etc. One side's is far longer and worse than the other's. But, when it comes time to make a power grab by trying to impeach the other side, why bother reaching for a bunch of shit made-up out of thin air, when there'd be ample material that's true to use against your enemies? That is, if the material doesn't harm you or your shadowy allies by uncovering your own pile of rancid shit. Remains to be seen, if there's more than one pile of shit to be discovered here, not just donkey shit but elephant shit, too. I trust Cummings to bring the pachyderm feces up, if there's any to be found. Just like I kind of sort of, yeah, trust Issa in this one narrow temporary context, given his likely goal of undermining the Democratic executive branch, which, what, is there not reason to suspect this current administration of foul play in some places, some actions? Really? The GOPigs tried to bring down Bubba for lying under oath about a hummer. But, would there not have been more authentically-impeachable material to use, had those Repukes wanted to open up some cans of whoopass wormage? Are we supposed to excuse Clinton (and wife) for his corruption just because theoretically he might have been, what, blackmailed sexually or threatened physically for years, or something? That many years? What, he was that powerless to resist? Had to run for president, or else? Twice? He's a fucking slimeball, lol! He was handpicked by many of the same establishment elites who pick every other fucking president. Same with Obama. Dispense with the illusions, folks. There are few good guys who've ever served as one of the 536 elected reps we 250-300 million citizens get to "decide" to decide things on our behalf. The president has not been one of those few since at the very least 1963. Every president since, every year probably, has done some terrible thing worthy of an impeachment trial. This time, one of them might get caught. Do I wish it were Bush being investigated for a future impeachment by Democrats over 9/11. Of course!!! But, I'll take any justice as it comes. And try like hell to make sure Congress is populated by decent honest human beings of any party, for once, via elections.
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Re: Could somebody please explain Benghazi to me?!

Postby Hunter » Wed May 08, 2013 9:57 pm

FourthBase wrote:Let's say a bunch of rotten bullshit-artists are fighting for power. Both sides have a rap sheet of transgressions and lies and black-ops and election-rigging, etc. One side's is far longer and worse than the other's. But, when it comes time to make a power grab by trying to impeach the other side, why bother reaching for a bunch of shit made-up out of thin air, when there'd be ample material that's true to use against your enemies? That is, if the material doesn't harm you or your shadowy allies by uncovering your own pile of rancid shit. Remains to be seen, if there's more than one pile of shit to be discovered here, not just donkey shit but elephant shit, too. I trust Cummings to bring the pachyderm feces up, if there's any to be found. Just like I kind of sort of, yeah, trust Issa in this one narrow temporary context, given his likely goal of undermining the Democratic executive branch, which, what, is there not reason to suspect this current administration of foul play in some places, some actions? Really? The GOPigs tried to bring down Bubba for lying under oath about a hummer. But, would there not have been more authentically-impeachable material to use, had those Repukes wanted to open up some cans of whoopass wormage? Are we supposed to excuse Clinton (and wife) for his corruption just because theoretically he might have been, what, blackmailed sexually or threatened physically for years, or something? That many years? What, he was that powerless to resist? Had to run for president, or else? Twice? He's a fucking slimeball, lol! He was handpicked by many of the same establishment elites who pick every other fucking president. Same with Obama. Dispense with the illusions, folks. There are few good guys who've ever served as one of the 536 elected reps we 250-300 million citizens get to "decide" to decide things on our behalf. The president has not been one of those few since at the very least 1963. Every president since, every year probably, has done some terrible thing worthy of an impeachment trial. This time, one of them might get caught. Do I wish it were Bush being investigated for a future impeachment by Democrats over 9/11. Of course!!! But, I'll take any justice as it comes. And try like hell to make sure Congress is populated by decent honest human beings of any party, for once, via elections.

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