Gregory Bateson

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Re: Gregory Bateson

Postby Sounder » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:31 am

Jim Bliss wrote....
Having said that, I often suspect I detect a tone in some of Bateson’s work that suggests he didn’t think we had a hope in hell of dealing with this crisis effectively. Not because we don’t have the necessary tools or wherewithal. But because we don’t have the vision. Our epistemology is savagely flawed.


Our epistemology sucks because it measures ‘success’ by ones ability to turn anything possible (ones victims) into objects to be manipulated. Not exactly a recipe for integration between Mind and mind. Funny how that works.

I predict that the next frontier for science will be liminal space, or that area where the pre-manifest interacts with the manifest.

The spell checker had nothing for liminal, so I googled it to make sure the spelling was correct and found this; http://www.liminality.org/about/whatisliminality

Hmmm, maybe I should read up on this stuff.

A crude description of Blake’s fourfold vision might be:
• Single Vision – ‘Newton’s sleep’ - linear thinking. Knowledge. Rational. Material.
• Twofold Vision – Appreciating our connection with nature and the environment.
• Threefold Vision – Unconscious processes, memory and intuition.
• Fourfold Vision – The delight of experiencing single, twofold and threefold vision, with constant twofold visioning in daily life.


I will assume that Bateson shares this realization with Blake. Integration of single vision with a larger vision is the way to go. Though to be fair, the line ‘May God us keep
From Single vision & Newton's sleep’, points at the issue a bit differently.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: Gregory Bateson

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:59 pm

Hello Sounder. I like that about liminality and will try to respond to it later (v. pushed for time right now).

Just want to mention quickly Eugène Marais's extraordinary short books The Soul of the White Ant and The Soul of the Ape as two stellar examples of what I would call Batesonian thinking even before Bateson's time. The latter especially shines a brilliant light on what consciousness means as opposed to instinct, and on what happens in the liminal space where the two conflict, or interact, or coexist uneasily.

Sounder wrote:I predict that the next frontier for science will be liminal space, or that area where the pre-manifest interacts with the manifest.


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