Missing 411 - David Paulides

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Re: Missing 411 - David Paulides

Postby cptmarginal » Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:21 pm

http://www.wbir.com/longform/news/local ... s/9405607/

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/jun/2 ... is-martin/

The Martin family declined to be interviewed for this story.

They came to believe someone took Dennis, said McCarter, who stayed in touch with the Martins for several years.

The afternoon that Dennis disappeared, Harold Key, 45, of Carthage, Tenn., was near Rowans Creek in the Sea Branch area with his family when he heard an "enormous, sickening scream." A few minutes later, he noticed a rough-looking man moving stealthily in the woods near where he had heard the scream.

"I thought he might have been a moonshiner," Key later told News Sentinel writer Carson Brewer.

Unaware of the search for a lost boy, Key did not report the incident until several days later, after he had returned home and learned of Dennis Martin.

But Key did not recall the exact time this occurred, and part of the time frame he gave included a period that would have made a connection to Dennis Martin's disappearance impossible. Park officials also discounted the likelihood of a connection because of the distance from where Dennis was last seen, and the FBI concluded it did not have sufficient evidence to launch a complete investigation.

As darkness fell on the first day of Dennis' disappearance, thunder and lightning filled the sky, and 2 1/2 inches of rain fell. It rained again June 17. Early in the second week of the search, nearly 3 inches fell.

Each storm would have demolished any new tracks that Dennis might have left after the previous storm.

"The rain washed everything away," said McCarter.


"The storm was so vicious, the people there at the shelter had trouble even lighting a fire. You have lightning and thunder and all of this rain. You can imagine the people there in the shelter just imagining what the little boy was going through. That's all you could possibly be thinking. Where was he? Where could he be?"

The following days crews started searching the trails and swollen creeks for any sign of Dennis Martin. Special Forces were in the area performing exercises and were made available to assist the search. The search party now included Green Berets with experience fighting and navigating in the jungles of Vietnam.


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Re: Missing 411 - David Paulides

Postby Elvis » Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:09 pm

David Paulides will appear in the first hour of tonight's "Coast to Coast AM" radio broadcast.

(If you can stomach George Noory, Paulides is always interesting.)
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Re: Missing 411 - David Paulides

Postby H_C_E » Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:59 pm

Having read the first two books, I think there's really something to this matter. Yes, in some cases Paulides doesn't have enough info to legitimately include in his books. And some times there's a lack of of critical reasoning, credulousness or confirmation bias. But the vast majority of these cases hold up. I kept a tablet by the bed when I was reading volumes one and two. I looked up, and read about most of the cases included in these two books.
Most are not exaggerated or overblown. In fact, in many, Paulides plays his cards close to his chest, and only prints enough info to make his case. There were many instances where I was asking myself why he chose not include certain pieces of information.

I wish I'd made notes while reading and researching all of this.

Having said all of this, I think there is genuinely something weird going on here. I think the explanation to all this will prove to be fairly unsurprising. I don't have any reason to believe there's anything paranormal, spooky or conspiratorial going on here. But there does seem to be some substance to this, and my view of the wild has been changed by what I've read.

Truth be told, I've always thought there was something uncanny about many places in the wild. I've spent a lot of time in wild, lonely and desolate places. And I've come across a number that were hair raising, and I could never understand why. I don't know if there's a connection, but it certainly has me wondering.
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Re: Missing 411 - David Paulides

Postby Tyler Rabbit » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:12 am

Ha yeah I spend a fair amount of time alone in the wilderness and this stuff freaks me out..
Have read the first two books and have caught him on Coast a few times. I appreciate his investigative style; it's objective and fact-based. And I agree it seems like there's something odd going on..

The other night he said something on Coast that caught my ear though. Paulides mentioned that whatever is behind the phenomenon is 100% effective. It doesn't make mistakes- because no one has lived to explain what's going on... This was shortly after (or before) a caller related a story about getting lost and then finding his way home.

This got me thinking that the reason the phenomenon is 100% effective is because people like the caller aren't counted. In other words, had that caller gotten lost, confused and delusional, took off his clothes, and died from the elements/dehydration etc, I wonder if Paulides would be talking/writing about him and count him as one of the phenomenon's "successes."

I guess what I mean is: the only reason he mentions it being 100% effective is, if a death seems odd, he attributes it to the phenomenon (which he seems to imply is singular.) Using this type of analysis, there's no way for it not to appear 100% effective because if it wasn't it wouldn't be counted towards the 100%!!

Anyway, really creepy and interesting stuff..
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Re: Missing 411 - David Paulides

Postby H_C_E » Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:53 am

Don't forget those who have returned, but were disoriented, confused and seemed somehow scarred. I can't recall the name, but there was one person, not a child, who simply wouldn't talk about it. There's one account in the third book and the kid recounts a clone of his grandmother who he believed to be a robot. Being a parent, I can't put too much into the robot bit, my daughter at almost seven, still describes ordinary things in some outrageous terms. But the exact clone of his grandmother?

Since you've spent time in the woods, do you know what I mean about certain areas that are just weird, to the point of unsettling? I lived for some time in the deep woods of east Texas. Far away from any of the small towns that were in the area. There was one spot that I had passed through to get to the trail that took me to the place I needed to get to in order to make it anywhere that had supplies. The first time through this spot, I noticed it immediately. It felt markedly different than any of the surrounding area. It was hair raising. I've encountered the same thing elsewhere in and outside of Texas.

You seem to be acknowledging Paulides occasional tendency to slant things in favor of his phenomena. He doesn't need to. You could remove from the first two books, those accounts that lack sufficient qualifying information, and those that suffer from confirmation bias, and only lose maybe 1/5 of the total of those two books. That's still much more than enough to make his point, and support his idea that something weird is going on.
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Re: Missing 411 - David Paulides

Postby justdrew » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:17 pm

infrasound can do that :shrug:
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Re: Missing 411 - David Paulides

Postby Tyler Rabbit » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:51 pm

For sure. There are definitely some areas that just feel weird. Like someone/thing is watching. Too quiet areas w/ no wildlife..
I agree he's onto something, I just meant that saying the phenomenon is 100% effective is like a drug rehab saying their treatment is 100% effective, because they only conduct post treatment interviews with sober people..

Is infrasound like subsonic frequencies?
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Re: Missing 411 - David Paulides

Postby justdrew » Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:17 pm

Tyler Rabbit » 30 Aug 2014 11:51 wrote:For sure. There are definitely some areas that just feel weird. Like someone/thing is watching. Too quiet areas w/ no wildlife..
I agree he's onto something, I just meant that saying the phenomenon is 100% effective is like a drug rehab saying their treatment is 100% effective, because they only conduct post treatment interviews with sober people..

Is infrasound like subsonic frequencies?


yeah, can be caused by underground streams, wind, etc... and of course, Deros!
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Re: Missing 411 - David Paulides

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:49 pm

Thanks for kicking this, put it on my library list this time around!
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Re: Missing 411 - David Paulides

Postby H_C_E » Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:13 pm

Infrasound? My feeling is, especially from all the lore going back for generations amongst the indigenous here in N. America,
that this has been going on for a very long time. I heard it as a kid, decades before Paulides would write these books. There
were some areas to be avoided. Every tribe knows those areas in the places they live.

As Tyler said, areas that are strangely quiet, or devoid of wildlife and just feel off. If you ever experience this for yourself, you'll
appreciate how truly weird and unsettling it is. And how it sets off base animal instincts, that are generally dormant being domesticated
type mammals.

Deros? I just use Raid mean robot repellent.
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