Israeli War Crimes In Gaza!

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Re: Israeli War Crimes In Gaza!

Postby American Dream » Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:38 pm

bluenoseclaret » Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:19 pm wrote:I think I would be most welcome by the true folks on the side of Palestinian Liberation, especially, compared to you.

I fancy a bet.


Such flights of fancy, based on nothing! These are my people. I work with them every day- attend meetings, plan actions, participate in email communications, help build coalitions, Anti-Semitic clowns such as bluenoseclaret are nothing but a liability and they are not welcome at any public demonstrations in North America, as far as I am aware.

Maybe the warm welcome you get at Stxrmfrxnt is warping your sense of reality, bluenoseclaret. More likely, you're just full of shit.
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Re: Israeli War Crimes In Gaza!

Postby Nordic » Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:41 pm

Coming out of retirement to let you know that the best resource currently anywhere (as far as I can find) as to this nightmare is Naomi Wolf on Facebook.

What a self-hating Jew!

https://www.facebook.com/naomi.wolf.author?fref=nf

She's become a one-woman western Media outlet. The only one it seems.

Seriously, she's great and simply All Over It.
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Re: Israeli War Crimes In Gaza!

Postby Nordic » Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:42 pm

Nordic » Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:41 pm wrote:Coming out of retirement to let you know that the best resource currently anywhere (as far as I can find) as to this nightmare is Naomi Wolf on Facebook.

What a self-hating Jew!

https://www.facebook.com/naomi.wolf.author?fref=nf

She's become a one-woman western Media outlet. The only one it seems.

Seriously, she's great and simply All Over It.



And yes I suppose I'm anti-Semetic, just like I was racist against white men when I hated GWB for all his war crimes.

And that damn Hitler made me racist against Germans.
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Re: Israeli War Crimes In Gaza!

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:45 pm

bluenoseclaret » Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:49 pm wrote:Have A Look At Israel's Supporters In New York

"Somebody from a great pro-Palestinian group called Existence is Resistance was on our walk through the diamond district last week and did a short video of the welcoming we got there. They were quite willing to rip us to pieces.

And ‘New York’s Finest’ would have let them"


Racist Zionists Spew Hatred at Protestors

A few hundred activists met outside of the New York Public Library for a demonstration and march against the string of atrocities in Gaza which have taken over 800 Palestinian lives so far. While the rhetoric coming out of Washington and Tel Aviv cites the rocket-fire from resistance groups in Gaza as the cause of this latest massacre, the march sought to highlight the real root of the problem – the continued ethnic cleansing and occupation of Palestine.

Shortly thereafter, en route to another institution, the march passed through NYC’s diamond district, specifically, 47th St between 5th and 6th Avenues. Here, marchers were thronged by what appeared to be an impromptu counter-protest where chants of “Israel! Israel!” soon echoed down the block. I found myself lagging behind and recording the spectacle – supporters of Israel whipped into a frenzy at the sight of pro-Palestine activists, engaging in racist and Islamophobic language, calling for more ethnic cleansing, and even threatening to physically attack.

It’s important to understand the mindset that informs Zionism. This is it in its purest state. A frenzied, foaming nationalism that desperately expresses open hatred for anything that appears to disagree with its racist agenda to steal indigenous land. Some choice lines:

“Get the hell out of our state… Go to Iran… Iran is your place! Go, go with your families… get out!”

“Down with Palestine! Fuck the Palestinians!… Get the fuck outta here you mother fuckers.”

“You son of a bitch! You son of a bitch!”

“I bet your Jewish!”

“You’re luck you got cops here!… you only do this when cops are around! Pussies!… you’re a nut… you better pray there are cops around the corner.”

“How does it feel to be a terrorist? Does it feel good?”

“There is no Allah. It’s all hell for you!”

http://youtu.be/5pFTDYdagsw


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http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/


One interesting thing about this is that the American representatives that attend rallies with organisations like Stand For Israel are totally on the same page with Likudnik talking points.

I interested in hearing responses to that.

I have been surprised by:
a) how relatively united the Israelis are, given the very fractious politics of the place
b) how distanced and dissociated the average Israeli is from what is happening there
c) how unexposed they are to much of the horrific Gaza footage shown
d) how coordinated the hasbara responses are
e) how it still is not working

Thoughts?
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Re: Israeli War Crimes In Gaza!

Postby Nordic » Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:48 pm

I've been obsessed with this nightmare and could post a TON here, but I'm resisting the urge, because, well, what's the point.

Sadly, it's my FB friends who are taking the brunt of it. They've probably all blocked me by now. Most people just don't seem interested, they'd rather post their kitten pics and their funny memes and their "hey look at where I am in my career" stuff.
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Re: Israeli War Crimes In Gaza!

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:06 pm

Nordic » Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:42 pm wrote:
Nordic » Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:41 pm wrote:Coming out of retirement to let you know that the best resource currently anywhere (as far as I can find) as to this nightmare is Naomi Wolf on Facebook.

What a self-hating Jew!

https://www.facebook.com/naomi.wolf.author?fref=nf

She's become a one-woman western Media outlet. The only one it seems.

Seriously, she's great and simply All Over It.



And yes I suppose I'm anti-Semetic, just like I was racist against white men when I hated GWB for all his war crimes.

And that damn Hitler made me racist against Germans.

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Re: Israeli War Crimes In Gaza!

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:18 pm

Nordic » Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:48 pm wrote:I've been obsessed with this nightmare and could post a TON here, but I'm resisting the urge, because, well, what's the point.

Sadly, it's my FB friends who are taking the brunt of it. They've probably all blocked me by now. Most people just don't seem interested, they'd rather post their kitten pics and their funny memes and their "hey look at where I am in my career" stuff.


Depends - most Americans I know do not really care beyond the limit of feeling sad.

I have had the very awkward situation of seeing left-wing Jewish friends of mine who have been some of the most supportive loyal kind people I have met, turning into "Hasbara routers" where it is as if they are just actually extremely uncomfortable about the whole thing and just switch off their brain and repeat crap. I have tried to be both very peaceful and very aligned; what I see is that no matter where I go with it, they avoid - they raise point X - I debunk, they say "what about Y - and you obviously support Hamas" (there is a MASSIVE investment in binary thinking, challenging their position = supporting the other side)

The Channel4 coverage over here

would not happen on the US MSM in a million years. If He had been in the studio, I think he would have clocked him.
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Re: Israeli War Crimes In Gaza!

Postby Nordic » Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:03 pm

Thanks, Searcher08, but I posted here on a whim today. Don't know if I'll be back much. I've lurked here and there.

I happen to be actually sitting at my desktop computer today for a variety of reasons, most of which involve dealing with bureaucratic junk, and waiting around for stuff, so I thought I'd mention the Naomi Wolf FB page for those interested.

All the crap going on in the world is really starting to get to me. It's as bad as I've ever seen it. Starting to wonder if 2014 is the year the SHTF.

I mean, the US seems intent on starting WW3. WTF.
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Re: Israeli War Crimes In Gaza!

Postby The Consul » Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:31 pm

Why is it that there is never a voice from Hamas, or at least a Palestinian...who is interviewed?
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Re: Israeli War Crimes In Gaza!

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:42 pm

Nordic » Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:41 pm wrote:Coming out of retirement to let you know that the best resource currently anywhere (as far as I can find) as to this nightmare is Naomi Wolf on Facebook.

What a self-hating Jew!

https://www.facebook.com/naomi.wolf.author?fref=nf

She's become a one-woman western Media outlet. The only one it seems.

Seriously, she's great and simply All Over It.



Nordic!! :wave:
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Israeli War Crimes In Gaza!

Postby coffin_dodger » Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:56 pm

The Consul » Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:31 pm wrote:Why is it that there is never a voice from Hamas, or at least a Palestinian...who is interviewed?


Didn't see many Iraqi's on UK or US TV in '03, either.

Oh, except the occasional one in a military suit saying stuff like "This will be the Mother of all Battles" whilst passing out a new kaftan, sandals and surplus AK47's to his troops. I mean, that was a fair fight. Twenty-first century technology against 1950/60's technology.

There may be similarities here.
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Re: Israeli War Crimes In Gaza!

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:08 pm

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http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/synagogue ... sacre.html

I mourn genocide in Gaza because I am the granddaughter of a family half wiped out in a holocaust and I know genocide when I see it. People are asking why I am taking this ‘side’. There are no sides. I mourn all victims. But every law of war and international law is being broken in the targeting of civilians in Gaza. I stand with the people of Gaza exactly because things might have turned out differently if more people had stood with the Jews in Germany. I stand with the people of Gaza because no one stood with us. I went to synagogue last Friday night and had to leave because I kept waiting for the massacre of Gaza to be addressed. … Nothing. Where is god? God is only ever where we stand with our neighbor in trouble and against injustice. I turn in my card of faith as of now because of our overwhelming silence as Jews…I don’t mean Israelis, a separate issue…about the genocide now in Gaza.

I want no other religion than this, that is, seeing rather than denying my neighbor under fire and embracing rather than dismissing those targeted with annihilation and ethnic cleansing.


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Pixel says:
July 22, 2014 at 11:01 am
Wow.
…and there will be more – courage is contagious.
NormanF says:
July 22, 2014 at 11:04 am
Naomi Wolf had not a word to say about Jewish children living under the shadow of Hamas rockets.
She had not a word to say about the massive tunnels Hamas constructed in Gaza that could have resulted in an Israeli 9/11.
Wolf had not a word to say about Israel’s right to defend itself in the face of massive Arab aggression.
If she can’t find decency in herself to stand beside the Jewish people and Israel in their darkest hour, she should remain mercifully silent.
And not to mention Wolf had nothing to say about the venomous anti-Semitic outbursts around the world.
I stand with Israel, its right to defend itself and its right to live in security and peace. All things Wolf would not do.
just says:
July 22, 2014 at 12:32 pm
“If she can’t find decency in herself to stand beside the Jewish people and Israel in their darkest hour, she should remain mercifully silent.”
This is the “darkest hour”? Really? And since when should anyone remain silent? Who are you to dictate? Do you support the treatment of Israeli protesters here:
link to mondoweiss.net

PS It’s probably best not to conflate ‘the Jewish people’ and Israel.
eljay says:
July 22, 2014 at 1:00 pm
>> I stand with Israel, its right to defend itself and its right to live in security and peace. All things Wolf would not do.
You don’t stand with Israel – you stand with oppressive, colonialist, expansionst and supremacist “Jewish State” and all of its past and ON-GOING acts of immorality and injustice. All things Wolf would not do.
Kay24 says:
July 22, 2014 at 1:35 pm
Israel does indeed have the right to live in security and peace, but it seems Israel just does not get it….stealing lands, holding hundred of thousands of people under a brutal occupation, demolishing their homes, stealing their water, and killing them near fences and checkpoints, will NEVER bring Israel any security nor peace.
Launching a massacre on them when they think it is time to “mow the lawn”, resulting in the deaths of MORE civilians, including babies, will never work either.
Naomi Wolf like many other Jews, realize this.
Mooser says:
July 22, 2014 at 7:29 pm
“Israel does indeed have the right to live in security and peace”

Okay, which borders do they get to live in security and peace behind? When you look into it, no, they do not have a right to live in security and peace. Hows about they decide where the borders are, if they want security and peace?
The only deed they have to the place exists in a few people’s Bibles.
Bumblebye says:
July 22, 2014 at 1:37 pm
@NormanF
And you have not a word to say about the Palestinian children being murdered beneath massive Israeli bombs.
You have not a word to say about the clear fact that Hamas have NOT used their tunnels to ‘infiltrate’ Israel on civilian killing sprees at all before the current ISRAELI aggression, and have used them solely to attack military targets since.
You have not a word to say about the right of Palestinians to defend themselves from genuinely massive Israeli aggression.
You have zero decency, you treat Israel as if it is an object of religious worship and believe even the most egregious lies emanating from it.
You have nothing to say about the venomous and genocidal anti-Arab outbursts all over Israel and occupied Palestine – which have led to violence and murders.
You stand in the toilet of history.
tokyobk says:
July 22, 2014 at 2:43 pm
It is a dark hour NormanF but because the Israeli state became inseparable from the occupation project.
My guess is that an Israel on pre 67 (defined) borders that was actively committed to removing any ethnic based legal or actual barriers of all its citizens, could have survived with a good measure of the world’s support, even retaining a Jewish element to its national life. The history of its founding would have been (for better or worse, fair or unfair) treated in the same way as that of the US or Australia.
People like Wolf would not be walking out of synagogues.
But that is not what happened.
eljay says:
July 22, 2014 at 3:18 pm
>> tokyobk: My guess is that an Israel on pre 67 (defined) borders that was actively committed to removing any ethnic based legal or actual barriers of all its citizens, could have survived with a good measure of the world’s support, even retaining a Jewish element to its national life. … But that is not what happened.
Zio-supremacists should have and could have created an Israel that was both:
- a secular and democratic state of and for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, ex-pats and refugees, equally; and
- a “culturally Jewish” state.
Instead, they chose to create an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State”, and they and their state have been the underlying cause of much pain, devastation and death.
Their greed, self-righteousness and hatred has been – and will continue to be – their downfall.
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Re: Israeli War Crimes In Gaza!

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Re: Israeli War Crimes In Gaza!

Postby 82_28 » Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:34 am

The Consul » Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:31 pm wrote:Why is it that there is never a voice from Hamas, or at least a Palestinian...who is interviewed?


Very good point. I was just wondering why the Jewish people, religion, whatever is non-inclusive. What is with that? If you're Jewish you always are but with these weird conditions. Why do they get free reign to conditions of ownership of their free existence on Earth. Yeah, yeah, I know the holocaust happened. But that was generations and decades ago. I've never gotten into their "conditions" in order to be Jewish, as in I don't care on a basic level. Why are they persisting in the cruelty they felt long ago? What's with the hats and sideburn curl things? Why don't Jewish women wear this shit?

Something under the layer we see exists and why do they have to be a "they"?

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Re: Israeli War Crimes In Gaza!

Postby Sounder » Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:56 am

After a time, even slow people get tired of being treated like they are idiots.

Fortunately even slow folk have better moral sense than the brainwashed pundits braying on about Israels 'right to exist'.

(Where is hypnotism today? -repetition anyone?)

The Israeli 'project' requires the moral inversion of all of humanity, -not gonna happen.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 41240.html
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There was a time when our politicians and media had one principal fear when covering Middle East wars: that no one should ever call them anti-Semitic.
So corrosive, so vicious was this charge against any honest critic of Israel that merely to bleat the word “disproportionate” – as in any normal wartime exchange rate of Arab-to-Israeli deaths – was to provoke charges of Nazism by Israel’s would-be supporters. Sympathy for Palestinians would earn the sobriquet “pro-Palestinian”, which, of course, means “pro-terrorist”.

Or so it was until the latest bloodbath in Gaza, which is being so graphically covered by journalists that our masters and our media are suffering a new experience: not fear of being called anti-Semitic, but fear of their own television viewers and readers – ordinary folk so outraged by the war crimes committed against the women and children of Gaza that they are demanding to know why, even now, television moguls and politicians are refusing to treat their own people like moral, decent, intelligent human beings.
Yet still – every time another blood-soaked child appears on the screen – the news presenters talk about the “blame game”. BLAME GAME? Do they think this is a bloody football match? Or a bloody tragedy? It goes like this. Civilians are killed. Reporters call it “tank fire”. (Hamas has no tanks.) Israel says it is a misfired Hamas rocket. Hamas says it is Israel’s work. So it’s a “blame game”. No one can actually BE blamed – and thus we can shrug off the responsibility and shake our head at it all.

And we must forget we did the same when US bombs killed civilians in Tripoli in 1986 (a “misfired Libyan anti-aircraft missile”, I recall, was to blame) or when the Nato attack on the Shuala district of Baghdad killed civilians in 2003 (a “misfired Iraqi anti-aircraft missile” was to blame, of course). Several Americans have called me to point this out, adding that the US Senate vote of 100-0 in favour of Israel sounds a bit like the 98 per cent that Arab dictators claim for their presidency – except that the US vote, which does not represent them, really was the true figure!

Now to the get-out clause of all of us. Yes, Hamas is corrupt, cynical, ruthless. Most of its “spokesmen” are so stupid, so incoherent, so prone to bawling abuse at the top of their voices, that they far outdo the ever-so-gentle Mark Regev in turning the world against Hamas. But the world is turning against Israel, as EU ministers repeatedly (though ever so gently) tell the Israelis. And it’s turning against our politicians and media masters who go on insulting them.

How many times does The New York Times expect its readers to tolerate editorials like last week’s pusillanimous effort? There had been “deadly attacks” in Gaza, readers were told. The total dead came to 750, “a vast majority being Palestinians”. And then the get-out: there were “competing charges” – Israel or Hamas or a Hamas ally – over the attack, and thus “what really matters now is that some way be found to stop this carnage”. So that’s OK, then. “Blame game” equals “no blame”.

In France, there’s been derision at the way the government has reacted to Gaza’s calvary. François Hollande wanted Israel to “correct” its aim “a bit” (un peu)! He criticised Hamas’s aggression and Israel’s reprisals. But then an angry Benjamin Netanyahu came on the blower to the Elysée. Change of tune. Hollande uttered the usual mantra. “Israel has the right to take all measures to protect its people.” But then French Assembly members became so sickened by the “collective punishment” of the Palestinians that Hollande urged an end to the “escalation” in violence. Phew.

In Ireland, traditionally pro-Palestinian, The Irish Times, alas, has been playing the same tune as its New York namesake. On the day after Israel bombed a UN school, killing 19 civilians, it ran a front-page article which began with Israel’s declaration of a ceasefire, continued with a paragraph of the truce details, then ran a paragraph that Hamas had no reaction – and then told its readers about the 19 dead. A reader castigated the paper for “balancing” its letters page with correspondence designed to make the Palestinians look as guilty as the Israelis. “Such disinterest is really a kind of moral apathy,” he said. And said it rather well. The world can at least thank the journos in Gaza – even if their bosses are still on the run.
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