Wow, Vice Actually Reports On Something Good(9/11 coverup)

[seemslikeadream]

the one thing that bugs me is with all this devastation happening ...world war without end...some people still think it is of the utmost importance that they police/scan EVERYTHING we speak/write for little grammatical mistakes ......proper English! A must have in this crumbling world! It's like a mortal sin to not be able to diagram a sentence correctly ....what's more important...the thought or the semi colon?.....all this coming from a person that finds no problem with hurling outrageous personal attacks but can't stand a period in the wrong place

[seemslikeadream]

Washington is in an ISIS panic

Give us a war plan, and not just against ISIS, let’s throw in Syria too. Money is apparently no object.

America’s War Hawks Back in Flight
August 29, 2014

With America’s government-and-media war hawks back in full flight – preparing to swoop down on Syria as well as Iraq – wiser heads might reflect on the chaos that previous adventures have caused, as Danny Schechter recalls.

By Danny Schechter

Sound the bugle! Get the press to march along; we are going to war. Again! Enemies R ‘Us!

For a long time with the killing of bin Laden, a jihadi fatigue had set in. With the apparent shriveling up of the Al Qaeda menace, America’s threat-defining and -refining machinery was somewhat adrift. What had been so simple turned too complex to fuse into one sound-bite.


Barack Obama, then President-elect, and President George W. Bush at the White House during the transition in November 2008.

Former CIA official Thomas Fingar, now at Stanford University, describes his own frustration in finding out what U.S. policy priorities should be in national intelligence. He asked his colleagues to share the threats they worried about. He was soon inundated.

“When I was given responsibility for the process known as the National Intelligence Priorities Framework, almost 2,300 issues had been assigned priorities higher than zero, “ he explained. “My first instruction was, ‘Reduce the number’.”

He knew they needed only one bad-ass enemy to focus fears and attract appropriations to fight. He had too many threats to respond to. They had to go. Now, he and the Obama administration have that new bad guy: the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria or ISIS.

Political scientist/analyst Michael Brenner says Washington is in an ISIS panic: “The grotesque beheading of James Foley is stirring passions in Washington policy circles. From the highest levels of the Obama administration to the media pundits, emotions are flaring over what the United States should/could do. The act in itself has changed nothing insofar as IS’ threat to the United States and its significance for Middle East politics are concerned. It is the mood that has been transformed. Irresistible impulse is displacing cool deliberation. The flood of commentary, as usual, reveals little in the way of rigorous logic but much in the way of disjointed thinking and unchecked emotion.”

The response? Give us a war plan, and not just against ISIS, let’s throw in Syria too. Money is apparently no object.

Breaking Defense.com reports: “US operations against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (or whatever we’re calling it these days) have probably cost the country about $100 million so far, according to one of the top defense budget experts. It’s difficult to come up with a precise estimate for what current operations in Iraq are costing.”

Don’t forget, as Glenn Greenwald didn’t, before the current focus on ISIS, the U.S. was bombarding Syria’s Bashar al-Assad with calls that he step down amidst threats of overthrowing him.

“It was not even a year ago,” Greenwald writes, “when we were bombarded with messaging that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is a Supreme Evil and Grave Threat, and that military action against his regime was both a moral and strategic imperative. Now the Obama administration and American political class is celebrating the one-year anniversary of the failed ‘Bomb Assad!’ campaign by starting a new campaign to bomb those fighting against Assad – the very same side the U.S. has been arming over the last two years.”

Recall: the campaign for bombing Assad’s military was undercut when public opinion in the U.S. turned against it. The Obama administration negotiated instead, and accomplished something, eventually destroying Syria’s stash of chemical weapons. Why emulate a success when you can make more mistakes?

That was then, and this is now. ISIS is the new boogieman. The next stage of our assault is underway as we can deduce from a build up of recent press reports:

Daily Beast: Obama Wants ISIS War Plan

President Barack Obama wants to make a decision by the end of this week whether or not to expand his war against ISIS into Syria, report Josh Rogin and Eli Lake. However, nobody knows yet how we can do it, or what will happen next. Still, there are plenty of ominous headlines:

Syria and Isis committing war crimes, says UN

Alawites prepare as IS, Jabhat al-Nusra close in on regime areas

Drones a Step Toward Expanding War Into Syria

U.S. Mobilizes Allies to Widen Assault on ISIS

Specialops.org (Elite Magazine for Elite Warriors) reports:

“Members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan, according to informed Jordanian officials. The officials said dozens of ISIS members were trained at the time as part of covert aid to the insurgents targeting the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. The officials said the training was not meant to be used for any future campaign in Iraq.

“The Jordanian officials said all ISIS members who received U.S. training to fight in Syria were first vetted for any links to extremist groups like al-Qaida.”

Now, there are reports that the CIA is forming new hit squads to use ISIS tactics against ISIS with an ISIS-like assassination offensive, to “cut off the head of the snake.” (Sounds like beheading doesn’t it?) Shh! Sounds like we are headed back to the dark side with killings, torture, renditions, secret sites, etc. Will that long-awaited CIA report now be seen as a manual for more of the same.

The last time the U.S. organized assassination teams in Iraq in 2003, it didn’t work out that well, And guess who else was involved? Israel trains US assassination squads in Iraq:

“Israel helping train US special forces in aggressive counter-insurgency (CI) operations in Iraq, including the use of assassination squads against guerrilla leaders, US intelligence and military sources said. … The new CI unit made up of elite troops being put together in the Pentagon is called Task Force 121, New Yorker magazine reported. … One of the planners, highly controversial … Lt. Gen. William ‘Jerry’ Boykin … with calls for his resignation after he told an Oregon congregation the US was at war with Satan who ‘wants to destroy us as a Christian army’.”

Ten years later – in 2013 – the German magazine Der Spiegel reported U.S. training Syrian rebels in Jordan. And so it goes, as once again, around and around, we become more and more like the enemy we warn against.

Back to Michael Brenner’s take on how our media hysteria is not helping, “There is a more general lesson to be learned from this latest exercise in ad hoc policy-making by press conference. The insistence of senior officials to speak at length in public on these complex, sensitive matters when there is no set policy is inimical to serious planning and diplomacy. If they feel compelled to react to events to satisfy the media and an agitated populace, they should just say a few well-chosen words and then declare themselves on the way to an important meeting – preferably not in Martha’s Vineyard.

“Silence, though, is taken to be tantamount to death in the egocentric media age where image is all – confusing random motion with focused action.” Amen.

Why look back? No one wants to learn anything! Iraq 2.0 was a disaster for President George W. Bush. Can we expect Iraq 3.0 under President Obama to be any better? Afghanistan is a disaster. Israel failed in its aims in Gaza, whatever bloody “urban renewal” was imposed at a high human toll. Libya is a mess.

Knock, knock: raise your hand if you think Syria will become our next miracle?

[BrandonD]

Here is a Vice article from 2012, which takes quite a different attitude towards people who doubt the official 9/11 story:

http://www.vice.com/read/what-sort-of-p ... inside-job

[Sounder]

Thanks BrandonD

Splendid example of the 'odious types believe this, therefor it must not be true', propaganda principle.

Hmmm, that's funny, I think I recall some poster right at RI that has done stuff like that.










Hey, did somebody just fart?

[coffin_dodger]

Hey, did somebody just fart?

nah, you must have dreamed it.

[thatsmystory]

The classification of the 28 pages should lead the public to conclude the torture program was nothing but a grotesque PR effort to appear tough on terror. When the President uses his power to conceal direct leads to the hijackers then his credibility on 9/11 is gone. All that is left is propaganda.

[thatsmystory]

What’s in the 28 censored pages of the Joint Inquiry into 9/11? We don’t know for sure – but if Israel is involved, then we do know why they won’t let us read those pages.

Raimondo would have the reader believe that poor US intelligence had no idea of a terrorist plot inside the US. If only the Israeli government had shared the info. Senator Graham pushes a similar explanation except he suggests that the Saudis didn't share the information with US intel. How does that mesh with the withholding of information about al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar by the NSA, CIA and FBI?

[82_28]

The classification of the 28 pages should lead the public to conclude the torture program was nothing but a grotesque PR effort to appear tough on terror. When the President uses his power to conceal direct leads to the hijackers then his credibility on 9/11 is gone. All that is left is propaganda.

Good call, TMS. I never bought the "torture is extraordinary for 'us' to stoop to" shit. I guess I didn't buy the "whistleblower" aspect to it. I seem to use the term quite a bit these days, but I always felt that it was the normalization of these acts that were the point. Iraqis were meant to be seen as expendable via a negative performed by the "heroes" in order to justify an illegal and unjust "war" which furthermore were on the other side of the planet. There was no "war". There was a complete massacre and act of terrorism by the youessay on innocent people born where the fuck they were born (like all of us -- we have no choice) for corporate, technocratic purposes. From the outset it solved no purpose as to the story many of us never believed. HOWEVER! The negative analysis was meant as a positive to show how much control they wield and to create a controversy in which all issues could have been easily solved. They created a conundrum in order to hide from the greater crime.

Well, why the fuck did you start an unpopular war in the first place?!?!? Because you could and the payoff would be an offer billionaires and shareholders who dabble in this shit and racists who believe this shit couldn't refuse. How are you going to refuse a return on this kind of profit unless you have intrinisc morals?

The torture angle, I've always thought, was a way to negatively bolster the psy-op of "just going along". You could build a greater tipping point of "America, Fuck Yeah" for future use.

I'm not saying I am right or anything. But if one was to write a book about this corrupt and evil deed we've had to live under. Nobody could have written it any better than the real thing.

Oh yeah, and fuck these guys behind it.

WHAT THE FUCK DOES ANYONE EXPECT OUT OF A BOMBARDMENT OF FREE ENTITIES?

[Hunter]

Well the people doing the actual torturing were mostly low level intell operatives who themselves were likely not in the loop wrt the who, what, why, when and how and they were likely torturing those people with a sincere intent to get information about such things. Sincere probably not being a great word to use admittedly.

But yea, those at the top ordering the torture or oking such knew it was all for fucking show. I assume it is pretty well known among our leaders that the Saudi Royal Family is responsible for the funding behind most of these terror groups including Bin Laden and now ISIS and it is done with the blessing of a certain few of those leaders, namely the Bush's, Cheney, McCain, et al. The House of Saud is just straight evil, that is one corrupt bunch of mother fuckers there.

[Panic Weather]

Why would these events make disclosure of Saudi involvement in 911 less significant?

Kevin Ryan sledgehammers the 28 redacted pages & their Joint Committee screenwriters in a lengthy piece here. An excerpt reminds us:

from the start, even the Saudis were calling for the 28 pages to be released. Discussion of the missing 28 pages also omits mention of the highly suspicious nature of the Inquiry’s investigation and its leaders.

The Joint Committee was run by Bob Graham (D-FLA) & Porter Goss (R-FLA).

This should tell you everything you need to know about the 28 redacted pages.

In case the Goss/Graham authorship doesn't ring any bells:

(1) Goss & Graham were meeting with ISI Director Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed during the 9/11 attacks. Ahmed had sent Atta $100,000 in the weeks before 9/11.

(2) Goss & Graham had visited Pakistan together two weeks prior to 9/11.

(3) Goss was from the Congressional district where Atta & Al Shehhi trained (Venice, FL) and Graham was the Senator for Florida. Oddly, although Goss was a right-wing Republican, Graham (who was a liberal Democrat) helped Goss get elected.

(4) Graham admits that he had advanced warning about an attack on the WTC during the summer of 2001 from FBI informant Randy Glass, but did nothing. Graham denies that the Joint Congressional Inquiry had any knowledge of a Saudi family compound in Florida where Atta & Al Shehhi visited -- until Graham was confronted with evidence of FBI files that had been provided to Graham.

Let's recall that

In the months following the attacks, the White House, Sen Graham and Rep. Goss had rebuffed calls for an inquiry in the weeks immediately following September 11. In mid-December resolutions in the Senate called for the establishment of an independent bipartisan commission; the White House preferred a joint inquiry by the Congressional Intelligence Committees if there were to be any investigation at all. On January 29, Vice President Dick Cheney called Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle arguing that no investigation should take place, as it would divert resources from the "War on Terrorism".

Daschle instead agreed to limit the investigation to the joint inquiry, which was announced February 14, 2002 after consultations with Cheney and Condoleezza Rice. Goss and Graham made it clear that their goal was not to identify specific wrongdoing: Graham said the inquiry would not play "the blame game about what went wrong from an intelligence perspective,", and Goss said, "This is not a who-shall-we-hang type of investigation. It is about where are the gaps in America's defense and what do we do about it type of investigation."[1]

There is much, much more to say about the criminal backgrounds of Graham & Goss. Start with Kevin Ryan's piece.

The Joint Inquiry was a limited hangout operation. The 28 redacted pages are a "fallback position" limited hangout meant to defuse any future groundswell of public pressure for 9/11 investigation: a fail-safe device. We know that the 28 redacted pages aren't meant to have much power as leverage against the Saudis, both because the Saudis have called for its release (Arab News, owned by House of Saud), and because we have already been told the significance of the redacted pages (limited Saudi involvement, limited to a handful of scapegoat Saudis but not incriminating Bandar Bush's wife's transfer of funds to 9/11 hijackers via Jonathan Bush's Riggs Bank).

Ryan's must-read work is damning:

In the months following 9/11, both Goss and Graham rejected calls for an investigation. The Senate voted for one anyway, however, and that led both Bush and Cheney to attempt to stop it or limit its scope. Apparently the best that Bush & Cheney could do was to make sure that Goss and Graham were put in charge. That seemed to work as the Inquiry began in February 2002, more than five months after the attacks, and the approach taken was one of uncritical deference to the Bush Administration and the intelligence community...

What Are They Leaving Out?

Bob Graham’s book, ‪Intelligence Matters: ‪The CIA, the FBI, Saudi Arabia, and the Failure of America’s War on Terror, refers to Saudi Arabia over 100 times. But it mentions the UAE only in reference to one of the hijackers who came from that country.

Is the preferential treatment of the UAE a result of the close relationship that Richard Clarke had with its leaders? More specifically, was Clarke’s relationship merely a result of the fact that the UAE owned BCCI and therefore was able to finance and conduct CIA-like covert operations as part of a private or officially sanctioned network? In other words, was 9/11 a CIA-like operation conducted with the help of countries that the Joint Inquiry failed to criticize—Pakistan and the UAE?

These shortcomings should lead investigators to review where the evidence against the accused terrorists originated. Most of that evidence was delivered by the FBI and the CIA but it often originated in the UAE and in Florida. The UAE was the source of much of the alleged funding of the alleged hijackers. And evidence concerning the travel of the accused was traced back to the UAE, with all but three of the 19 alleged hijackers having traveled through the UAE on their way to the United States.

The facts call into question the apparent goodwill of Bob Graham who was, along with Goss, a “Frick and Frack” lapdog for the cover-up led by the Bush White House and the U.S. intelligence agencies. What were they hiding—the glaring links to Saudi Arabia? That seems like a very convenient limited hangout considering that long-term control of Saudi Arabian oil is an absolute necessity for maintaining the U.S. economy.

A year after release of the Joint Inquiry’s report, an amendment was introduced to the Foreign Operations Appropriations Act for 2004. That amendment called for release of the redacted 28 pages and it implied that Saudi Arabia was the only missing piece of the 9/11 puzzle. The amendment was killed by a claim that it was not germane to the foreign appropriations bill. But the idea that Saudi Arabia was the only foreign power involved in the 9/11 operation was firmly implanted in the American psyche.

What’s different today? Saudi Arabia certainly does have strong connections to 9/11, and in many more ways than Graham will admit. But discussion of the financing and management of the alleged hijackers is only the tip of the iceberg and, even within that limited context, the work of the Joint Inquiry has diverted attention away from many of the facts. Let’s hope that, twelve years later, Americans have become a little more educated about 9/11 and the cover-up investigations into those crimes.

The 28 redacted pages were a time-release forbidden fruit limited hangout, created specifically to be kept just out of reach.

It's a piece of theater. We're meant to demand its release. The significant question is why.

Another question is why we would take the big show surrounding the 28 redacted pages at face value, on a discussion board like this one.

[thatsmystory]

Panic Weather » Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:40 pm

The 28 redacted pages were a time-release forbidden fruit limited hangout, created specifically to be kept just out of reach.

It's a piece of theater. We're meant to demand its release. The significant question is why.

Another question is why we would take the big show surrounding the 28 redacted pages at face value, on a discussion board like this one.

The best approach to control the public's understanding of 9/11 has been by way of secrecy. For example a bunch of CIA agents went on a PR tour for the documentary Manhunt. They were treated as heroes by many of the audiences in large part because the public has no way to evaluate what went down behind the scenes. Also the media went along with the secrecy and refused to ask these CIA agents any challenging questions. The secrecy has enabled officials to conceal the larger context of 9/11. We see this with Senator Graham when he fixates on the Saudi conduct and completely ignores the bizarre conduct of US intel. In an interview on his fiction book tour he talked about the lack of interagency communication.

Does the release of the 28 pages serve ulterior agendas? Most likely. That said there is a chance the release will help the public better understand 9/11. By that I mean the release might lead to infighting between powerful interests that spills into the public. Maybe some people will be so sickened by the cover up that they go public with more information. It is not a certainty that the establishment will successfully exploit such a release for their narrow purposes.

[Hunter]

Of course it is all corrupt, do any of you who are, say, above the age of 30 and been around the block a few times, understand why that is? It is because it is all overseen by humans, more importantly infallible humans. Dumbasses, all of us, who cannot be trusted to ever be in a position of power over others. Every single one of us, I dont care who you are or what you believe about yourself, all of us have a price or breaking point where we can pushed, influenced or made to do bad, corrupt shit, to break rules and cover it up to protect your ass. Just like anyone who knows sports KNOWS every single one of them at the ELITE LEVEL are on PEDs, ALL of them in every professional sport, it is also the same at the elite level of politics, the only difference is their HGH and EPO PEDs are money, power and influence. We can certainly aspire and dream to greatness and have silly ideas that there exists among us, noble beings above playing in the dirt, but frankly, such humans do not exist, they never have and they never will, in fact we are not meant to be such, we are infallible, we make mistakes and we do dumb shit that hurts other people. Sure, at that level they are killing, raping and pillaging, and that is a level most of us will never play on, akin to most of us taking bike rides on Sunday while some others race in the Tour De France and climb the Alps, yes those people are going to do things and take drugs that most of us dont, but we WOULD if we were among them, sooner or later that choice would be clear that if we want to play ON THAT LEVEL, this is what you have to be willing to do. This is the world we live in, this is how it is. It should come as no surprise to anyone who has been out in the real world and isnt living in a basement with nose in a book as if all the beautiful fairy tales we have read are reality. They are not, those are fairy tales, life itself is much, much more ugly and really there is nothing that can fix that or be done about it. There is never going to exist some great man who we can elect to lead us that we can trust to not fuck things up and run and hide when he does. That is pretty much what we all do on one level or another, we make mistakes, we do dumb shit, we let people influence us to do things we know are fucked up but do it anyway...because that is who we are, very complex, infallible human beings. Nobody is perfect or above any of it, there are circumstances where every single on of us will or have make or made the wrong decision, knowingly, willingly and consciously, stop lying to yourself if you believe otherwise because youre in for a rude awakening.

Of course none of this means you should throw your hands up and allow them to kill and maim with impunity, they should be held accountable that they decided to go play in that playbox when others of us have realized we, none of us, can be trusted with that kind of power over others and therefore wisely avoid it. So sure hold them accountable for trying to do the impossible but be prepared for that to be a lifetime struggle because they will just be replaced by more dumbasses who havent learned not to touch a stove when it is hot. If this is what you want to spend your life doing, more power to you, just dont be a hypocrite about it as if you are somehow above it or incapable of any of it because none of us are, everyone, again, each of us, have a price, a breaking point, an intersection where we will all turn right or left when we know we shouldnt. Some roads go in different directions, but all roads lead to Rome.

[82_28]

Well, as thatsmystory said, in the end it's all propaganda. There is nothing "real" or "urgent" about any of this shit "they" have created. Say we were to buy the official story of 9/11 and the official story of attacking Afghanistan and the "mistake" of Iraq, if one were moral none of it would have been right. The cat's out of the bag and maybe impossible to solve. Believe it or not, no matter how much I may hate him and always have, Pat Buchanan had some of the most clear eyed takes on the US staying out of all of this shit. Of course his worries weren't about the people being bombed, invaded, tortured, raped, terrorized, but he was an arch conservative that was against all of it -- doing it at all. If Buchanan has no sway, then who are the people of Earth up against? Before all this shit Buchanan was the right's go to guy.

I think there is a fog that even I am beginning to not just see, but also feel. Whoever is calling the shots on this shit knows how to bore into people's senses of goodwill and exploit a weakness where people like me see kindness, yet being blunt, as a strength. It's gotten me nowhere all of my life. But I see no other way. I will never take their pills.

What's funny too is that I have gotten good at knowing who to bring these issues, the deeper issues up to. I can tell immediately who is open to just the speculation on such things and who to just keep it to sports and weather. Yet I know others who bore the fuck out of me with their left wing opinions because I believe the mind control, if you will, is again, much deeper. That's just me. But whatever.

[IanEye]

Not that this shit even matters anymore,

The world is just a comic book to you, isn't it?

*Note: not making fun of anybody in particular, just remixing phrases heard hereabouts, poking fun at all of us.

Not implying the board has really been hacked, but I will point out that this version is obsolete and may have security holes.

eye am taking the time
for any number of things
that weren't important
yesterday

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[zangtang]

that'd make one clique-tastic exclusive t-shirt !

mines black with long sleeves - get on it !