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Re: uk, pedo death cult or weird custody case?

Postby Jerky » Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:37 pm

Flippant, inappropriate and gross. I thank you for removing it, Wombat.

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Re: uk, pedo death cult or weird custody case?

Postby Grizzly » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:20 pm

On the contrary, Tool, was the only salve, as well as salvation, to my soul, in between long weeks of isolation, existential pain, ptsd, derealization, and disassociation, night terrors, snap shots of memories with out feelings, self loathing, awaiting bi-weekly professional counseling sessions. Particularly, that song, and many of their other songs " I've been picking at scabs again" .. "spiral out", "I know the pieces fit I watched them fall apart"...and Albums, as well, as Pearl Jam's album 'Ten', ..."in to deep, can't touch the bottom." when it came out and for years afterwards, described, resonated and put words to the disconnected snapshots in my head ... and probably KEPT me sane enough to make it back to therapy, or from leaving this mortal coil. e.g, suicide.

And You fucks can't judge that! Yes, I chose to post non verbally, with a video, some things are hard to write.

My childhood experience has everything to do with why I posted that. Fuck you Jerky. I no longer hide my shadow in public or otherwise. It's my goddamned story. Not yours ... Like it or not, that was my reaction to this heinous turn of events, and for once I agree w/ P. Willow, in that just the mere posting of these interviews (which I've only the courage to read about, not watch) seems exploitive in and of themselves. On the other hand, I have to ask, (myself) should it have been kept in the dark? I choose to believe they needed to voice it. I have always believed the questions are more important than answsers. God, I pray and hope it wasn't detrimental to or for these kids. Whether it needed to come out or not. It's out.

God I hate this planet, sometimes. And often think all humanity is a virus. But, it's lyrics like these, that keep me from the brink...


And now my bitter hands chafe beneath the clouds of what was everything.
Oh, the pictures have all been washed in black, tattooed everything...

I take a walk outside, I'm surrounded by some kids at play
I can feel their laughter, so why do I sear?
Oh, and twisted thoughts that spin round my head, I'm spinning, oh,
I'm spinning, how quick the sun can drop away

And now my bitter hands cradle broken glass of what was everything
All the pictures have all been washed in black, tattooed everything...


Fuck yall, I'm out..
“The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.”

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Re: uk, pedo death cult or weird custody case?

Postby Jerky » Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:28 am

I apologize if I've caused offense by misunderstanding your intentions. I would really rather you not leave this forum over this.

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Postby semper occultus » Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:11 am

...I think there's been a genuine misunderstanding Grizzly...please don't jump...
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Postby coffin_dodger » Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:07 am

the mother of the children - facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/araya.soma/posts/10153149000318203
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Re: uk, pedo death cult or weird custody case?

Postby stefano » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:24 am

There's a very weird case in the south of France which is similar to this. I can't make up my mind about it and wanted to post about it here but couldn't find anything in English. The mom found out one of the dad's friends had raped her daughter, then tried to take the kids away from the dad, then it became a legal battle and the stories the kids told the mom became more and more disturbing - also stories of murder and snuff movies. At the moment it seems to be in the courts as the dad sued the mom for slander. He is friends with the local police.

Rapidly edited Google translate from here:

A mom without reproach, which after separation from their father had custody of his three children ito a final decision of Family Court Judge issued on 18 November 2005, complained to the police in St-Tropez 10 October 2007, for the rape of her 6 year old daughter by a friend's father.

The next day, after the filmed hearing of his children, the prosecutor of Draguignan (Var), Christian Girard, directed eleven gendarmes to take her 3 children, 6 years, 5 years and 3 years old. She will have no more new for 3 weeks "Order of attorney not to tell you" opposes her everywhere.

Not convened hearings on child Judge, sole custody of his children was given to the father for a year, three weeks after their removal and home placement. She will only see them again the 83 days, a weekend on two and half the school holidays without cause and despite the ruling of the family court judge.

A year later, she learned that it is not only his daughter who was raped, but the three children, since August 2007, every day by their father, and on Wednesdays, Saturdays and Sundays, with other children by many adults, photographed and filmed.

She still learn a lot more serious, the children said they were forced to attend and participate in the torture and murder of children filmed, which is called snuff movies.


After revealing 16 murders of children to their mother, Judge children removed from the mother completely her rights and accommodations. She will not see her children only after 22 months and only 2 hours every 15 days rather publicized.

As soon as Mom learned of the first murder, she immediately alerted, with many supporting documents, on 12 December 2008, the President of the Republic, the Minister of Justice and the Interior Minister who returned the file to the prosecutor of Draguignan.

A preliminary investigation was initiated in February 2009 by the prosecutor of Draguignan which culminated in June 2009, without further trial and in defiance of the law in Article 79 of the Code of Criminal Procedure and 226-10 paragraph 2 of the Criminal Code, in custody for 36 hours of the children's mother, their grandmother and her companion for false accusation and their referral to the criminal court at the hearing on 30 July 2009, referred to that of 10 December 2009, and that of 30 April 2013 and finally to that of January 9, 2014 at 13:15, 4 and a half years and references that allow not to investigate the facts disclosed by the children and keep them apart from their protective mom.

November 30, 2009, a brave policeman Var, as the AMIDLISA denounced on the Internet and many sites of humanist associations a pedophile network rampant in Saint Tropez region covered by all the institutions including that of Justice, namely quoting some judges involved.

In this letter, we can recognize point by point the case of the "seemingly perfect mother" as she says and her three children! Where are we today?

Despite AMIDLISA letter of 30 November 2009 on the INTERNET, which was taken by many sites, sent to all members of both legislatures to all senators, all European members of the French language, despite DVD summary the case with supporting documents and audio and video recordings of children given to all ministers of the two governments, two Presidents of the Republic, all presidential candidates and their party, the President of the General Council of the Var, the Prefect of the Var, the Commander of the Gendarmerie Var, etc ... all editors of all French local and national newspapers, Belgium and Switzerland, the Superior Council of Magistracy and many personalities besides Interpol Intelligence general, the Legionaries and the many associations defending women and children, religious bodies of three monotheistic religions, Gilles Bernheim, Chief Rabbi of France, Dalil Boubaker, rector of the Great Mosque of France and Pope Benedict XVI, despite complaint of crimes against humanity filed with the European Court of Human Rights, the International Criminal Court, the European Court of Justice in June 2011, etc. nothing moves!

Justice refuses to investigate and prosecute criminal acts despite its legal obligation!

MPs and senators informed refer the matter to the Ministry of Justice.

Ministers refer to the Minister of Justice.

The President of the Republic "by his arbitration which ensures the proper functioning of government" under Article 5 of the Constitution says that he can do anything under the separation of powers.

And the Minister of Justice who is responsible for ensuring the proper functioning of the judicial system refers the case to the prosecutor of the Tribunal de Grande Instance of Draguignan, the very man whose many malfunctions were reported and that is part of his administration!

It turns round ... while a mother and child are in great pain for 6 years and 16 children have been tortured and killed for making films that bring in a lot of money!
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Re: uk, pedo death cult or weird custody case?

Postby Jerky » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:21 pm

Okay, after reviewing this woman's Facebook page, can we safely assume that she's bonkers, and that those kids need to be taken away from her immediately?

Personally, I think so.

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Re: uk, pedo death cult or weird custody case?

Postby Project Willow » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:40 am

I think it's safe to say that the subject of organized child rape and torture garners such an extreme range of responses that very few people are able to respond in a rational enough manner to make good choices, so mistakes will be made. I think it's also safe to say that there are no institutions that have yet to deal with organized crime effectively, but especially organized crime involving children.

It's safe to say that we, as in humanity, or western society, or whoever is closest to somewhere where they can construct some proactive and beneficial system, needs to embark upon the task ASAP.

:blankstare

:shrug:

After viewing more of the videos, I've moved my own reaction to the idea that it's possible these kids are just so 'desensitized' to what they've been through that they're able to talk about it the way they do while being filmed. There is that third way of dissociating where one retains the narrative, but blanks out the emotion in reaction to the horror due to attachment or identification with the perpetrator, (this explains the development of sociopathy, but I didn't really want to go there). It's surprising still, because of everything I know about dissociation, how it works, and the fear induced by these horrendous experiences, lead me to view as inexplicably surprising that the kids could rattle off accusations this way. It's outside of all of my experience. If dissociative processes are broken enough to allow telling, then the emotions come pouring through, and that usually results in highly volatile re-telling, rather than the relative calm we see on the videos.

It could all make sense however, but in a place I did not want to go... with children.
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Postby Tyler Rabbit » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:20 am

I watched all 20 videos.
If the kids are being abused as the videos purport, people ought to be pissed. If it turns out it's a custody ploy by the mother and her boyfriend- and that they're the real exploiters, then I hope people will be almost as pissed- but also relieved that the world isn't quite as dark as we tend to think.. Abusing kids is revolting- putting these ideas into kid's (and our) heads to manipulate circumstances is revolting as well, but to a lesser degree.. Was going to stay off RI for a while but I can't help it. I genuinely like the vast majority of you guys, and it bums me out to see everyone so shook up over something so unverified.. Time will hopefully tell..

This too is as unverified as anything else in the unfolding story, but this is allegedly from the accused father:

Hi Guys,
I am the father (real father) of the children in these videos.
Not the boyfriend who has fled the country!
My name, as some have point out is Ricky Dearman.
The first 2 things I want to say;
1 – Thank you to everyone for your concerns regarding my children, as I am deeply touch, be it negativity towards me somewhat.
2 – I say Thank You, but I also want to say sorry that you have had big hearts having gone through some turmoil while listening to my children on these videos.
Sadly, I am limited to what I can say for legal reasons, at this point! I wished that I could tell you everything I know, because you think that you Guys are angry…well you have no idea what I am sitting on and having to keep inside of me right now!!!
I feel like a 1,000,000 volcano’s about to erupt! You have no idea!!
That said, I want you to know that I am completely innocent of any wrong doing in this! Completely Innocent.
Some have mentioned that the children have been coached to say what they have said? You have no idea and again, I cannot say at this point. These sick Fcuks, and I cannot even tell you who yet. But I promise, you will know the outcome.
You may have questions, as I still do, but I will not be able to answer yet, but as soon as I am legally able, I shall let you know.
I want to thank you again for your concerns and support. This has and is a difficult time for all involved mostly my children.
Best Regards Ricky


The below is a fairly hard-line harsh skeptic take- farther than I'd go, but I do agree it's a little scary how people jump into online activism without having a clear picture first. it also makes it difficult to uncover what's going on- whatever that may be..

http://wideshut.co.uk/hampstead-abuse-a ... lle-world/
Hampstead Abuse Allegations And Online Vigilantism: The Post Savile World
The sharing of a series of videos involving allegations of extreme sexual abuse of at least 2 children, has prompted a form of online vigilantism, the ramifications of which has yet to be fully understood.

The clips of a poor innocent boy and girl being encouraged to discuss so called “satanic ritual abuse” sessions that allegedly took place in Hampstead, London, are currently being paraded around blogs, forums, and social media accounts, by a wave of self-styled justice and truth seekers.

Are the “security services involved?” asks the Aanirfan Blog, which proceeds to list the allegations, before linking them to a string of historical cases that for the most part were shown to be baseless.

Absurd Allegations

Abuse is alleged to have taken place at locations as absurd as an “American fast-food restaurant,” which the children named as “McDonalds,” with UK chain “Pizza Express,” and “all the cafés” lumped in as well. That’s without mentioning “all the shopkeepers,” being involved.

The boss of the “fast food restaurant” allowed child sacrifices to take place in a “secret room”. Here “Babies were prepared and cooked.”

A school where the children attended is said to be a hub of activity. At the nearby church they were allegedly forced to partake in the murder of babies by their teachers and estranged father. They were abused, made to drink the blood of the dead, and danced on decomposed baby skulls.

The videos although shared recently, were taken some time ago and the children have since been taken off the mother, who helped record them with her male partner, who has since believed to have gone walkabouts.

A Change.org petition that seems to have taken the allegations at face value, calls for the children to be returned to the mother and their Russian family.

The Tap Blog agrees, and asserts that “anybody who watches these privately taken videos is convinced,” that a powerful paedophile ring is at work … I’m not!

Misguided Vigilantism

What I am convinced of is that in a post Jimmy Savile world – where justified distrust of state institutions reigns supreme – a void has opened up in to which vigilantism has filled.

Savile was a monster, as are the gambit of celebrities and other high profile people convicted of abuse in the past couple of years. The state and society as a whole, have a lot to answer for – how did they allow this to happen? It’s only natural that the average everyday citizen has less faith in the authorities than they’ve ever had. How are we supposed to feel when psychopaths, liars and spineless head turners, are exposed so overtly?

Congruently, the rise of social media, citizen journalism, or what we might call “alternative media,” has allowed everyone to have a voice. Individuals are more empowered now than they’ve ever been, in their ability to share ideas and information. This is extremely beneficial if one subscribes to concepts of freedom or democracy.

However with our new found power to have our voices heard also comes great responsibility. Comments we may have made flippantly down the pub to a handful of friends and acquaintances, can now be seen by thousands of people on Facebook, Twitter or Youtube.

What’s concerning about this story is not that people wish to help two innocent children who may have been abused, but that they would so blindly believe and share anything and everything written about the case. That they would believe the videos completely and literally. That they would name names, single out locations, and plaster the videos themselves all over the web!

Although there is certainly a debate to be had about the secret family courts and some of the practises of social services in this country, there are legitimate reasons why cases involving children, especially abuse, are restricted from public perusal.

Whatever may have happened to these children, how are they going to feel when in a few years they Google their names and see their faces crudely cropped for dramatic effect on some paranoid and hysterical article? With hordes of people commenting with their armchair expertise?

Clouding Real Abuse

In the aforementioned Aanirfan blog post the author tenuously links to a “satanic ritual abuse” case from the 80s in the US state of Minnesota. Several children made allegations against an unrelated man and their parents. The man confessed and then identified a number of the children’s parents as perpetrators. Ultimately twenty-four adults were charged with child abuse though only three went to trial with two acquittals and one conviction.

What was a sickening but relatively straightforward abuse case, snowballed in to a hysteria about a giant satanic ring. The Attorney General’s Office concluded that the investigation by the local police was so poor and confused, that it had destroyed the opportunity to properly investigate. Judge Antonin Scalia said the coercive techniques used by the investigators damaged the credibility of the allegations and although “some sexual abuse took place … there is no reason to believe it was as widespread as charged.”

(In other words the hysteria clouded the real abuse that took place).

The infamous McMartin preschool case, which ran through the 80s was similarly ruined by the hysterical responses of both the social workers, investigators and the media. Suggestive interview techniques prompted the children to make up absurd stories like seeing witches fly, and accuse people nowhere near the scene of being involved, like celebrity Chuck Norris. Secret tunnels and other locations where the abuse was supposed to have taken place were all ruled out. After a record $15 million trial concluded in 1990, all charges were dropped and at least one victim admitted they made up their story.

Satanic Panic then jumped to the UK in 1990 when five families in Rochdale were wrongly torn apart when it was alleged children were being abused by a satanic ring. Paranoid social workers, in part working from NSCPCC guidelines on unfounded “satanic ritual abuse,” had convinced themselves that satanists were operating in Manchester. Video tapes of interviews that were eventually released showed how the social workers coerced the children to make up the stories, and even with no evidence they ran with the case.

Allegations ranged from the sacrifice of human babies and robed devil worship to locking the children in cages and caves. None of the claims were ever proven, and all of the children were eventually returned to their families, 10 years later in the worst case. Many of the alleged victims later spoke out in a documentary about the very real abuse they suffered when being forced to undergo “medical examinations” after being physically removed from their families by police.

In today’s online world of trutherism the Hollie Greig case is perhaps more well known. This was the story of a down syndrome girl who was allegedly abused for over a decade by a gang of paedophiles, reaching the top levels of the Scottish establishment. Well-meaning internet activists launched the “Google Hollie Greig” campaign and some even took to the streets to protest the stomach churning crimes of the elite.

Names and locations were named (even when they didn’t exist), as were other victims who vehemently denied being abused. The story quickly morphed in to whatever the current alternative media celebrity wanted it to be, including satanism, but ultimately no solid evidence ever emerged.

Some medical records could be interpreted as evidence of abuse in some form, but at this point the case is so clouded in unsubstantiated nonsense that nobody is ever going to take it seriously again.

Another Case Ruined?

We’re entering in to a new world, where cases like that of the two children are going to be blown up on the internet much more regularly, because it’s so easy to do so. Somebody claiming to be the father is posting on the videos to try and clear his name, and the videos themselves were likely put up with the mother’s permission to get people on her side.

Legal steps had already been taken before they were uploaded, suggesting the current hysteria is too late to impact the initial court action itself, as the children are already in care.

That fact alone should suggest that the authorities believe that yes, some form of abuse had taken place. Whether this was from the father, or the mother and her partner, or a combination of the them all – neither you or I are in a position to know or find out. Speculating or literally believing there are baby skulls stacked up in a church in the middle of North London, achieves absolutely nothing.

While on paper I am not opposed to vigilantism or independent research when there is solid grounds to believe the state has failed, this comes with the caveat that the vigilante or researcher has to demonstrate they can tackle the situation with impeccable standards. Shock and awe blog posts, or blindly sharing videos of the poor children on Facebook to spark discussions about how David Icke was right all along, is NOT how it’s done. In fact it’s the perfect excuse for tighter internet regulations and even more secretive court proceedings!

In many ways the internet has made us more free than we’ve ever been before, but are we mature enough to accept the responsibilities that go along with that?

This story suggests we’re not.
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Re: uk, pedo death cult or weird custody case?

Postby elfismiles » Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:48 pm

Heh - we have 2 friends in common including "Bishop T Allen Greenfield" ...

Jerky » 12 Feb 2015 01:21 wrote:Okay, after reviewing this woman's Facebook page, can we safely assume that she's bonkers, and that those kids need to be taken away from her immediately?

Personally, I think so.

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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:56 pm

Jerky » Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:21 pm wrote:Okay, after reviewing this woman's Facebook page, can we safely assume that she's bonkers, and that those kids need to be taken away from her immediately?

Personally, I think so.

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Impossible to argue with a meticulous logical chain like that.

Really, that will probably turn out to be Facebooks greatest virtue: how easy it makes it to determine who should have their children taken away by the State.
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Re: uk, pedo death cult or weird custody case?

Postby Tyler Rabbit » Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:21 pm

Hm that's an interesting point: the vigilantism can swing both ways and public opinion can shift on a kilobyte these days.
All the more reason for people to chill- and not be on facebook I suppose. Or have kids for that matter- or at least not post facebook rants about their kids that may seem, to an outside observer, so outlandish that it discredits their overall claims.

I don't have kids and am not on FB so wtf do I know. Am just a spectator like everyone else.. Seems like this may turn out to be one of those all or nothing cases like Jordan MN, McMartin, Hosanna, Franklin, Finders etc: While there may or may not be some some initial truth in these narratives, it always gets muddied real fast and people either end up believing that everyone from the mailman to the town idiot are deep frying babies at outdoor music festivals, or they believe it was hysteria started by a lone Abigail Williams which spread like the Salem witch trials (I exaggerate these two extremes for effect).. Part of it is journalists capitalizing on only the most sensational aspects of ongoing investigations, which then drowns out any initial truth- but we've also seen the person making the claims shoot themselves in the foot with little help from the press, ie Rich Hamlin..

Will be watching this one. Creepy no matter how one looks at it. Not anticipating any consensus here @ RI, which is a good thing... It'll be interesting to see how it plays out and how people, from the press, to internet commentators, to someday the kids themselves, interpret these weird videos we've seen. Also possible it'll quietly go away, though I have a feeling it won't, for a while at least.
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Postby Bryter » Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:39 am

Front page of the local paper, the Ham&High, Feb 12th. PDF here. Excerpt:

This week the Hampstead primary school sent a letter to parents which said: “In relation to the recent allegations the police and social services were immediately notified. The investigation that was undertaken concluded that there was no substance to the allegations so no further action will be taken. “The school is currently working with the Camden legal team and the police on the difficult task of removing the information from the internet.”


I'm really at a loss here. It's not far fetched to believe the police are involved in a cover up. We have already seen evidence of that with the Westminster rings. Also, look at the Holly Greig case in Scotland. She named a policeman, care workers and a judge.

I can understand completely why the mother would want this information to be circulated far and wide. Safety in numbers.
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Postby Jerky » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:08 pm

"Safety in numbers" could also describe her accusation style. If she and her (I think brainwashed) children are to be believed, fully half her hometown are members of this Satanic pedo death-cult.

That everyone here can't see that this particular instance is a case of full-on mental illness turning into child abuse is kind of shocking to me.

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Re: uk, pedo death cult or weird custody case?

Postby Project Willow » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:34 pm

Jerky » 13 Feb 2015 16:08 wrote:"Safety in numbers" could also describe her accusation style. If she and her (I think brainwashed) children are to be believed, fully half her hometown are members of this Satanic pedo death-cult.


It wouldn't surprise me if that were the case. It also wouldn't surprise me if the kids were hoodwinked with a lot of theater blood.

Here's the other side of it, there's heinous abuse and torture happening as a matter of course in pockets of most cities to one extent or another. It's been hushed up and hidden for, well, about as long as it's gone on. This comes with devastating consequences for society, in rates of addiction, poverty, disability, mental illness, and in compromised power structures. Authorities have been utterly ineffectual in addressing it or are sometimes involved, so there are no routes to justice or protection. What happens in this scenario when it's coupled with increasing societal permission to discuss child exploitation? Instead of continued silence and complicity, you may get what we see here, a lot poor choices being made out of frantic desperation.
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