Fixed Flat Earth?

[stefano]

Sorry - just realised I'm wrong about the solstice, because obviously the north wall slopes. If the angle of the slope is just right, then you'd get the shading effect on that wall on the solstice and on no other day. The pyramid is at about 30ºN, so at the solstice the sun's rays will hit the Earth at an angle of 6.5º off the vertical. The pyramid's slope is 52º, so you'd have the effect for most of the year: both half-faces illuminated at exactly noon. In fact there'd only be a shortish bit in winter in which that would not happen.

[Searcher08]

What would be much more instructive, i feel, would be a real investigation into where the fuck did all these youtube flat earth vids spring from, in a seeming microsecond
(can thay be filtered and ranked chronologically so we can see when & how fast they proliferated?) - & who maybe behind it? (bunch of youtuber pranksters stealing each others culled slides & footage
just doesn't cut it)
- I strongly suspect some psychology/psychiatric faculty breeching/abreaction real world experiments or........

some shitty psywar op to guage & calibrate how far/bad the global dumbingdown has gone/succeeded....but that all could be some precursor
to some truly godawful mindwar shit to come..........

I am glad this thread exists, I had one planned too.

My intuition is that there is some type of experiment going on, but that the people who are organising it are not as bright as the people here, and that the originators are too dumb and arrogant to consider there are people brighter than them around

There are some trails which lead to people with interesting beliefs; there is definitely a Biblical / Fundie / White Supremacist connection which is NOT apparent on first exploring it;

There are maths types who try to explain with geometry (good luck with that ), which ALWAYS ends in tears, with the sole exception of demonstrating the non-stop flight on South African Airways from Jo'Burg to Perth in Australia, which is somewhat awkward to fit into the Flat Earth model...

There are also multiple Flat Earth theories; their proponents who fling shit at each other with the same passion as the People's Front of Judea vs the Judean People's Front (SPLITTERS!) etc etc

There are masses of abuse-flinging JREF type pseudoskeptics, and the exchanges remind me of how dumb-as-a-sack-of-spanners BOTH attitudes are.

Summary of Exchanges:

JREFER: You are dumber pondscum. I've pooped smarter turds than you.
FLATEARTHER: Fuck off, you NASA GlobeEarth shill. Brain too full of shit to think for yourself?

x 1000

I think this could be a *classic* RI topic and actually a fun one to boot.
I love the smell of (Cass) stein in the morning...

[coffin_dodger]

personal observation: when 'normal, rational' minds are repeatedly exposed to existential threats (elite pedo's, banking crisis, 9/11, climate change, etc etc) and nothing material changes as a consequence, they begin to look for ever more 'exotic outlets' in which to channel their confusion and mistrust. NASA has become a joke, but Flat Earth theory has gained traction precisely because it's an easy vent - in which to part-dispell the symptoms of an increasingly uncomfortable personal reality, which is constantly being dealt blows by (altogether seperate and unrelated) stressful inputs.
The ratcheting up continues.

[General Patton]

Flat Earth is racist

http://renegadetribune.com/flat-earth-nationalism/
Nothing overturns the rotten apple cart of white genocide like Flat Earth.

Flat earth is beautifully subversive because it directly attacks modernist elites as such, and by extension, anti-white elites. Flat earth is a grand slam game-changer. The lack of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq destroyed the credibility of Bush, the neo-cons, and those affiliated with them. Flat earth does that to everyone else who expects to be taken seriously just because they have degrees and control. It is anti-intellectualism at its best. Flat earth is not a quest for respectability. Flat Earth is pure defiance. This fast spreading cultural backlash pulls down globalist icons with populist appeal to common sense. That is good for racialism. Both call for “back to the obvious” first principles.

White genocide depends on a certain cosmology of Jewish “secular” nihilism—in line with general nihilism that Jews feed to cattle—that we are just dust on a speck of dust floating in a meaningless cold vacuum. Nothing special about man here, especially, the white man. Everything is relative. No one has unique stature; no one has a privileged perspective. Everyone is equal and gets equal say over a share of the bounty of the privileged white race; yet everyone in the globalist herd has the same low intellectual and cosmic status before the Jews—you can’t argue with the Jews. You have no grounds to. This is the cosmology of Jewish supremacy without mentioning the Jew. Relativism is proto-multiculturalism.

Jews relished Einstein’s relativity primarily for its utility in cultural subversion. It gave moral, intellectual, and racial relativism currency. Your people, culture, and cultural history are not significant. That’s all Jews need to win culturally. Your culture is just one of many on a speck of dust, and what is dust? We shouldn’t think too highly of ourselves. There’s nothing worth fighting for. Just roll over and bite the dust.
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Flat earth is a gateway to racialism.

Flat earth connects you to your ancestors and posterity through reincarnation and ancestor worship generating a de facto-racial consciousness. India is known as the most race conscious society in the world and has a sophisticated Hindu cosmology that involves flat earth and reincarnation. East Asians nations, like Japan and Korea, have a racial consciousness, ancestor worship, and Buddhism has its own cosmology of Flat Earth. Aryan or Indo-European cultures either shared or originated this. East Asian religions are their legacy which would account for their underground popularity among Westerners.

Flat earth and racial consciousness connect; globalism and white genocide connect.

In Christianity, you are saved or not, if you accept Jesus. If your family doesn’t, they burn in hell. You’re an atom. Per Christianity, our ancient ancestors are burning in hell. Christians have no real use for the flat earth, which among the Norse and Hindu, functions as a part of a larger organic picture of our life cycle. We need it for reincarnation. We can’t go to other planets; we need to be here. Blood and soil can’t be severed. You must remember the past to have a future. If you lose your past, you lose your future. There is a perspective of continuity from ancestors to the present to posterity that must survive the Jews.
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They have no answer to “flat earth!” than to call us crazy. They are surrounded. Flat Earth is kryptonite, holy water, and a silver bullet all in one. They are exposed. Flat earth is the tip of the spear. Fans of the flat earth also have a strong crossover with Holohoax-denial, so there is no doubt that the same sense of intellectual defiance goes a long way to fight the Jews.

The Copernican Revolution was a social and cultural revolution. Both Copernicus (d. 1543) and Luther (d. 1546) were contemporaries, as were Einstein (d.1959) and Freud (d. 1939). Globalism is just recycled Jew-run collectivism. Flat earth reverses all of it.

Our power comes from the earth. Blood and soil. Flat earth is our leverage to push Jews into the sea.

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[divideandconquer]

Thank you all for responding instead of ridiculing.

Anyone who questions the entire Copernican, heliocentric model of the universe and the theory of gravity, without which this model could not exist, is ridiculed. Now that I've opened my eyes to the system of indoctrination and brain-washing that starts from the minute we're born I'm suspicious of any theory that draws ridicule if that theory is questioned--evolution, gravity, etc.. For me, there are too many convenient, overly-complex explanations of contradictions and serious gaps in the mainstream theories that attempt to explain, for example, the magical force of "gravity," which is so foundational to so much of our assumed modern scientific knowledge and technology.

I think we're too easily convinced by smart mainstream theoretical physicists who were able to come up with impressive complicated mathematical equations that make these models of the universe work. Meanwhile, men like Tesla, who invented so many of the technological innovations we use today, who didn't think much of Einstein's theories, are totally ignored by "educational" institutions and the mainstream. And he's just one man amongst thousands who most people never heard of...at least most people know Tesla's name.

Believe it or not, there are intelligent theories that contradict many of these theories--a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation--we take as fact, yet most people will never take the time to examine alternative theories because they believe they have all the answers...from mainstream science, mainstream media, mainstream academia....

The only thing I do know, for absolute certain, is that those with all of the power, wealth, and the tools and technology to find the answers most of us are looking for can NOT be trusted. They do have the technology to fake and I do believe they use it to the best of their ability so videos and images from these agencies, institutions, etc. prove nothing to me.

[stefano]

personal observation: when 'normal, rational' minds are repeatedly exposed to existential threats (elite pedo's, banking crisis, 9/11, climate change, etc etc) and nothing material changes as a consequence, they begin to look for ever more 'exotic outlets' in which to channel their confusion and mistrust. NASA has become a joke, but Flat Earth theory has gained traction precisely because it's an easy vent - in which to part-dispell the symptoms of an increasingly uncomfortable personal reality, which is constantly being dealt blows by (altogether seperate and unrelated) stressful inputs.

I think this is spot on. It comes through strongly in the quote posted by General Patton. The dude never even thinks of addressing the question of whether the Earth actually is flat or round, of the question of fact that the theory is supposedly about. Instead it's all about 'intellectual defiance'. The overlap with white nationalist stuff is interesting, and explains a shift in the nature of Flat Earth theory, from the sort of very English self-aware eccentricity of the Flat Earth Society (I mean, obviously they know people are buying their T-shirts and disc globes for a laugh) to snarling, hate-filled rage. These are also the same people who think videos of white cops beating black civilians are a conspiracy against whites.

Plus, all of us - conspiracy theorists, for lack of a better term - take a measure of intellectual pride in having seen through bullshit that other people fall for. You can't help it. There's a danger in that, of being led to reactively accepting any old bullshit because it's not what most people think, and not what authorities say. The more fundamental the assumption being challenged, the greater the ego reward. I try to be careful about that, and I think that sometimes mean I look like a sort of official story gatekeeper on this board (brainpanhandler knows what I'm talking about). That's not it at all - it's just that I don't reject an official story just because it's an official story, if there isn't a reason to suspect it. Also, a few of members of this board tend to reject official stories from Western governments while swallowing whole the lines coming from other government's propaganda departments. Nothing clever about that.

Another angle is the Scripture one. The Flat Earth Society has its roots in the Christian push back against the rationalism that followed Darwin's popularisation of evolutionary theory (he didn't invent it, he just explained it really well), and that's where modern Biblical fundamentalism comes from. And that's what led to people looking for prophecies in the Bible and so on. Interesting overlap with circles that believe other ancient texts contain the truth about very important things. Behind it lies the Golden Age myth, which is as old as storytelling.

[General Patton]

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... 44#p511944
Forums are mainly tools for sensemaking, and outdated ones at that (the format hasn't changed much since the late 90's):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensemaking

People favour plausibility over accuracy in accounts of events and contexts (Currie & Brown, 2003; Brown, 2005; Abolafia, 2010): "in an equivocal, postmodern world, infused with the politics of interpretation and conflicting interests and inhabited by people with multiple shifting identities, an obsession with accuracy seems fruitless, and not of much practical help, either" (Weick 1995: 61).

Anyway, paranoid people tend to also be alienated from society, have a distinct inability to trust others around them and are hyper-sensitive to any facts that fit their given narrative. The deeper they go into it the more energy and time they have invested in it, it's a vicious positive feedback loop. It's hard to "rehabilitate" or even casually discuss things with someone who thinks he is smarter and knows more than you. Your life is then defined by the things that you know, but no one else does...

[Wombaticus Rex]

I had to laugh at the three most popular posts on Ancient Code: one is "Researchers discover a 2 billion year old Nuclear Reactor in Africa,"

That's true, though: Oklo. Naturally occurring, but still amazing.

[slimmouse]

All I can say about the flat earth theory, is trying telling a subatomic particle called a Muuon (sp?) that the earth isnt flat.

Rather like a mayfly, who's life of a day seems the equivalent of a human lifetime, courtesy of metabolism, so relative speed will literally change these parameters ( if I understood the video correctly)????



Except of course that we arent completely muuons- Morons maybe

On Edit- @ Stefano - Thanks for the link to the Cassiopaea forum. Ive browsed a couple of threads, and it looks interesting. Is it a place you are familiar with?

[Iamwhomiam]

^^^^ "The Cassiopeia forum." Catch that wave! They need new members in their cult - enjoy! You might want to prepare yourself first, though , by reading your RI search results for "Cassiopeia."

Slim, I can't read that page on this old mac; a black search window fills the page. I'll check it out later when I can read the material and view the videos.

I've got much on file on the Great Pyramid, and I've studied many sources of materials, but do not remember anything about the pyramid being curved.

I think you've misunderstood, but will have more to say later explaining why.



Stefano:
It is believed that the white facing stones were completely flat across its entire surface, although all sides are concaved. Thanks for recognizing that the shadow does only fall that way, covering exactly one half on each of the two opposing sides, East and West, on the solstice.

Peter Tompkins' Secrets of the Great Pyramid remains the best book on the subject I've read, and its appendix offers a tremendous treatise on ancient maths and measures.

Slim:
Concaved does not necessarily mean "curved." But viewing an inverted 3D cone at a distance and level from its base, it does appear flat and triangular.

"Flat" only occurs naturally in crystalline structures.

To invite flat earthers to discussion of their "theory" at RI is insane. Please allow them their own nest for such absurd discussions.

Enjoy this:
http://davidpratt.info/pyramid.htm

[slimmouse]

Slim, I can't read that page on this old mac; a black search window fills the page. I'll check it out later when I can read the material and view the videos.

The video Im talking about is on this thread, posted by Belligerent Savant.

Within the commentary is a reference to how Muons appear to view the Earth. This appears to prove that the Earth is flat to them. 38 km wide, apparently.

Morons will of course make of that what they will.

Extrapolate, if indeed the facts are accurate?

[DrEvil]

Live view of Earth:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iss-hdev-payload

[General Patton]

Live view of Earth:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iss-hdev-payload

Looks like they need to hurry up and render some more CGI footage to keep the sheeple fooled

[coffin_dodger]

DnC said:

I think we're too easily convinced by smart mainstream theoretical physicists who were able to come up with impressive complicated mathematical equations that make these models of the universe work.

Unfortunately for mainstream science, upon closer inspection and detailed scrutiny, these models don't work.

Fundamental errors (and assumptions) have been made throughout scientific history and each error has been compounded by 'fixes' that in turn require more fixes as new data comes in that doesn't conform with expectations.

This continual and continuing - not entirely sure what to call it - delusion? - fascinates me in dual respects - is it purely concensus-driven (stay in the pack, don't rock the boat) or is it agenda-driven? I'm tending towards the latter, recently.

[Joao]